Women who like trannies

[naughtyinsilk]

Well you're welcome to celebrate femininity, but as I was saying I myself am not very feminine and don't want to be very feminine, and it makes me feel 'judged and found lacking' to hang out with someone who thinks it's important and glorious to be feminine, especially if they're the more extreme type who thinks men are not equally glorious.

My sincere apologies if I offended you, it was never my intention.

The reason men like my self crossdress is so we can feel feminine, it we didnt want to feel feminine occasionaly there would be no point in doing it. But we are still masculine most of the time.

I would never judge someone or select my friends based on whether they were masculine or feminine, what is more important is who they are not what they are.

Hopefully you will accept my apology, and decide I am worth hanging out with, after all if we were all the same life would be boring

 

[playwithlezli]

i believe they know there out there but these "tranny chasers" seem to be occupied with women with dicks instead of men with pussy mentallity. I'm glad the transmen get treated the way they do and i wouldn't wish them to go through the things we mtf go through on being fantasized about. We just want to be treated like women as you all might of guessed. I am one of the lucky ones i'm not interested in men sexually, probably will never be so i don't have to worry about being treated like a fantasy object by men.

Honey, you are getting a female body, better get used to the idea of being treated like a sexual object by at least some men and likely a few women too. It comes with the territory.

 

[kiwisub]

If only there was a woman near me who would treat me as if she was a man

 

[playwithlezli]

If only there was a woman near me who would treat me as if she was a man

Where's my beer? And the remote?

 

[Tymeless]

Honey, you are getting a female body, better get used to the idea of being treated like a sexual object by at least some men and likely a few women too. It comes with the territory.

i don't mind being a sexual object we all are really. My problem is being treated like only a sexual object. If all i was about was sex i would just stay a male its alot easier that way.

 

[playwithlezli]

i don't mind being a sexual object we all are really. My problem is being treated like only a sexual object. If all i was about was sex i would just stay a male its alot easier that way.

LOL! good point, then again, it is easier to get laid when you are female.

A friend of mine once said, "a woman has sex when she wants to, a man has sex when someone lets him."

Then again, can't tell you what the completion ratio is for lesbian sex, as I fell in love real early on and didn't play the field much.

Heading back to the office, so have a good night T and see you again soon I hope!

 

[sister76]

wait for it. in the next hour someone is going to post how the term tranny and shemale and manboy and chick with a dick and whatever else you can think of is degrading and should be erased from the language and how the ones you see in porn arnt what they are or are about.


get the fuck over it. i dont give a shit if someone calls me a cracker. im white and you can call me any racist thing you want.


that said. i would love to be with a shemale who could pass for a woman. dont even know she had a dick until you take her panties off to lick her pussy and as soon as you spread her legs a dick slaps you in the lips. mmmmmm tasty

Maybe I'm wierd, but I don't think this comment was necessarily offensive. I thought he was just stating his tastes, what turns him on. It generated a lot of comments, though. Maybe I am missing something, or are people being too sensitive? I see nothing anti-tran in this message at all.

 

[sunandshadow]

My sincere apologies if I offended you, it was never my intention.

The reason men like my self crossdress is so we can feel feminine, it we didnt want to feel feminine occasionaly there would be no point in doing it. But we are still masculine most of the time.

I would never judge someone or select my friends based on whether they were masculine or feminine, what is more important is who they are not what they are.

Hopefully you will accept my apology, and decide I am worth hanging out with, after all if we were all the same life would be boring

No you didn't offend me I'm a bit oversensitive to feeling criticized I suppose. My family is always telling me I should lose weight, shave my legs, get up earlier, make more money, not be an atheist, etc. My last boyfriend too was always telling me I was too much of a clutz, too absent-minded, too picky about aesthetics, and interested in stuff he found boring. :/ More specifically to this topic, several people over the years have given me the impression that they think I flunk at being a woman, even at the points when I tried my hardest by shaving, wearing a dress, plucking my eyebrows, learning how to wear makeup, trying to be friendly and cute, trying to lose weight, etc. I also took a stab at crossdressing as a man and writing stories starring a male version of myself to see if I might be more acceptable that way - but nope, I'm not any more masculine than I am feminine: I'm into pregnancy and babies, I love romance, I have a c-cup chest, I'm pretty short (5'4") and male or female, I'm still fat.

I'd be perfectly happy to look whatever way pleased others (I suppose you could say my problem is NOT being treated like a sexual object), but nature fights me every step of the way, and I hate fighting a hopeless fight, I just want to relax and enjoy life. So now, I try to be happy in my natural state of being a fat furry woman who is neither feminine nor masculine; but it's always a battle which I don't think I will really win until I find someone who likes me just the way I am. That's why I can sympathize with the problems of being a TS, but I would never try to be one or really be able to agree with someone else going to such extreme lengths to try to live up to an ideal image. I can be a friend of someone whose approach to life I don't agree with, but not a lover.

 

[Tymeless]

LOL! good point, then again, it is easier to get laid when you are female.

A friend of mine once said, "a woman has sex when she wants to, a man has sex when someone lets him."

Then again, can't tell you what the completion ratio is for lesbian sex, as I fell in love real early on and didn't play the field much.

Heading back to the office, so have a good night T and see you again soon I hope!

of course i just don't stop in on the vibe much because its to much to keep up with right now. i miss talking with you all though very much. feel free to message me anytime.

yeah women do have advantages for getting sex. I want sex and everything most people do but i want love and to be me to come first the sex is just an added bonus.

i think you all understand that though.

 

[cal69]

after all if we were all the same life would be boring

It certainly would be

 

[kiwisub]

Where's my beer? And the remote?

Hahaha but why do you need those when I am wearing stockings !!

 

[playwithlezli]

of course i just don't stop in on the vibe much because its to much to keep up with right now. i miss talking with you all though very much. feel free to message me anytime.

yeah women do have advantages for getting sex. I want sex and everything most people do but i want love and to be me to come first the sex is just an added bonus.

i think you all understand that though.

I know you are busy these days-but as Annie would say, go gently! Take care and talk to you when you have time

 

[playwithlezli]

Hahaha but why do you need those when I am wearing stockings !!

well, in that case

 

[Tymeless]

I know you are busy these days-but as Annie would say, go gently! Take care and talk to you when you have time

i miss you all so much hope to see you all soon but now its really gonna be hard school and work.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Maybe I'm wierd, but I don't think this comment was necessarily offensive. I thought he was just stating his tastes, what turns him on. It generated a lot of comments, though. Maybe I am missing something, or are people being too sensitive? I see nothing anti-tran in this message at all.

people are at times TOO sensitive now a days. And that is why, I have said a couple of times, that the innocense of the board is lost. And people have died. hypothetically speaking.

But like in the song by Billy Ocean When The Going Gets Tough. The tough gets going !

And the Song by Opus: Life is life .

 

[KABUKISTAR]

It depends on the tranny, but I am really attracted to trannies, for some reason.

Which direction?
I'm partial to FtMs, myself.

 

[Seth41]

Sexy

What do you ladys find the most attractive about the transgender?

 

[Tara40]

Question

It depends on the tranny, but I am really attracted to trannies, for some reason.

Being new to Dressing ,do you know what it is that attracts you?

 

[Mirror_tan]

Well you're welcome to celebrate femininity, but as I was saying I myself am not very feminine and don't want to be very feminine, and it makes me feel 'judged and found lacking' to hang out with someone who thinks it's important and glorious to be feminine, especially if they're the more extreme type who thinks men are not equally glorious.

That's the thing with crossdressing. I myself are critical of some other crossdressers, who on other boards complain that women don't wear enough skirts/dress/high heels and so on. Crossdressing in general carries sometimes that nasty implication that women around you aren't good enough, and therefore you're going to dress up like how they should dress, which is often mysogynistic, or degrading. This is why (having read about it on the internet, and having experienced a mild form of it myself) some feminists, as well as some gays and lesbians can be hostile to the transgender community. They see us, neglecting to understand all the differences, as either the enemy or an other encroaching on their hard fought domain, or as a disguised oppressor, seeking to set them back. The difference between tranvestic fetishists, and transgender people, myself in the latter catergory, is often ignored. "Straight" transgender people can be seen as trying to decieve lesbians or gay men into heterosexual relations, or crossdressers are seen as people trying to put women back into petticoats and into the kitchen, by subversive example, and suspicion of the medical and psychological field lends credence to some very paranoid conspiracies. (I'm not saying the majority people of people in the community are this way, most are quite accepting)

Maybe we should accept consensual fetishes, but at the same time perhaps we should also question our motivations for them, and if there's something wrong at the base of it (like aforementioned degradation of women), perhaps a little introspection is necessary. And maybe at the same time, people need to give other people a chance. There's nothing worse than the hipocrisy of fighting against oppression, only to oppress another group because of personal prejudice.

 

[Terra_Cide]

I love trannies of all kinds, however, I have only personally met mtf ones. They're the some of the funniest, sweetest people I've ever met. Not to mention the good majority of them have a fashion sense that I oftentimes sorely lack!

I dunno, I guess it's just this "mystique" they have that I admire so much, even though I'm well aware that they are just ordinary people like myself.

 

[Tymeless]

I love trannies of all kinds, however, I have only personally met mtf ones. They're the some of the funniest, sweetest people I've ever met. Not to mention the good majority of them have a fashion sense that I oftentimes sorely lack!

I dunno, I guess it's just this "mystique" they have that I admire so much, even though I'm well aware that they are just ordinary people like myself.

why thank you i like to think we are the same way myself.

 

[naughtyinsilk]

That's the thing with crossdressing. I myself are critical of some other crossdressers, who on other boards complain that women don't wear enough skirts/dress/high heels and so on. Crossdressing in general carries sometimes that nasty implication that women around you aren't good enough, and therefore you're going to dress up like how they should dress, which is often mysogynistic, or degrading. This is why (having read about it on the internet, and having experienced a mild form of it myself) some feminists, as well as some gays and lesbians can be hostile to the transgender community. They see us, neglecting to understand all the differences, as either the enemy or an other encroaching on their hard fought domain, or as a disguised oppressor, seeking to set them back. The difference between tranvestic fetishists, and transgender people, myself in the latter catergory, is often ignored. "Straight" transgender people can be seen as trying to decieve lesbians or gay men into heterosexual relations, or crossdressers are seen as people trying to put women back into petticoats and into the kitchen, by subversive example, and suspicion of the medical and psychological field lends credence to some very paranoid conspiracies. (I'm not saying the majority people of people in the community are this way, most are quite accepting)

Maybe we should accept consensual fetishes, but at the same time perhaps we should also question our motivations for them, and if there's something wrong at the base of it (like aforementioned degradation of women), perhaps a little introspection is necessary. And maybe at the same time, people need to give other people a chance. There's nothing worse than the hipocrisy of fighting against oppression, only to oppress another group because of personal prejudice.

I think you may be taking it all too seriously.

I crossdress aand neither myself or anyone I know who crossdresses does it to oppress women. We do it because we like to wear womens clothes, we like the way they feel, the way they look, and the way it presents us ina different manner.
We pose, have a laugh and get laid, probably the reasons why most people crossdress

 

[Tara40]

Well put Silk

As a crossdresser i feel the same way Silk
I love women and would do nothing to oppress , degrade or humiliate
them.

and i dont feel that by dressing it does .
i think if you have gotten that kind of response than is because they
cant accept us for who we are ,and they dont understand the transgendered
life.
I can only speak for myself but i dress to bring out something that has been with me my whole life, not to shock, hurt , degrade or oppress anyone

And i must say by finding this site and form it has helped me in ways
only a few will ever know.

 

[Mirror_tan]

I might be taking it too seriously, but there is a significant anti-transperson movement out there that does need to be accounted for. Advocates of "Womyn-born-womyn" policies, which excludes transgendered MtF, Janice Raymond's "The Transsexual Empire", a book that levels the accusation that,

"All transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves .... Transsexuals merely cut off the most obvious means of invading women, so that they seem non-invasive. (Raymond, 1979: 104)"

Essentually accusing transsexuals of taking control and subjugating women by controlling their supposed image. Especially frightening is that this woman isn't just some lone crackpot, but a scholar emeriti at the University of Massachusetts, and also the leader of the CATW. Although she primarily attacks MtFs in her book, she also levels some shots at FtMs, as well, accusing them of "escaping" from the shame of being female and/or lesbian by assuming a male identity, once again, a supposed example of patriarchy further suppressing liberated femininity.

Some gay men constantly protest the image of the "limp-wristed" sissy in the media, because it denies them of their manhood. The crossdresser, in the media is one of the marks of the "sissy" stereotype in the media. Just as I would become enraged over a Fu Manchu character, or a Dragon Lady, it is understandable that some gay men would become offended. Drag shows and drag marchers in parades divide the gay community. Some see it as how Black people use the N* word, by perhaps co-opting it, the sting can be removed (or for a more effective example, how Mel Brooks took Hitler and mocked him endlessly in "The Producers", reducing him from the scary symbol of evil, to something perhaps laughable). Others see it as having fun. Others see it as setting the movement back. When presented with a "man in a dress", some gay men do find it offensive. This is part of the reason why some want to remove the T from GLTB. (Some also want to remove the B, but that's a different story.) Depending on where you live it differs. In small towns and such where there is a need for solidarity to gain equality, you don't find this. However in a big more liberal city where there is a general undercurrent of acceptance, there is often more in-fighting.

Lastly, among heterosexuals, beyond the assumptions of homosexiality, there's also that nasty theory of "autogynephilia" that's still being tossed around, by a small segment of the psychological community.

Overall, we can't afford as a community to stick our heads in the ground and hope it goes away. You mind your own business, and keep quiet...and you end up getting screwed in the end, and not in the good way. It doesn't matter how you aren't actually doing it to oppress women. If a small minority lets their indescretions get the better of them, and people are already looking for that, it will affect all of us sooner or later. To use a parallel example from another community, back in the 90s a pair of Cambodian immigrants killed (humanely) a stray dog to eat. The community was so outraged, that a law was passed by the SPCA to ban the consumption of dogs, and other animals "commonly kept as pets". This was supposedly based on the SPCA's reports that lots of Asian people were supposedly eating dogs. However, upon further questioning (as seen in the documentary, "Animal Appetites"), none of the cases were ever investigated. The SPCA simply took the reported cases at face value, and used it to push the law through. Since the law was passed, only one case was ever prosecuted, and it was in the case of a caucasian man roasting his neighbor's dog over a feud. To tie this point together, the truth does not fight prejudice on it's own. It doesn't matter if we are actively just pursuing our inner truth, ignorance has to be actively exterminated from the public mind if there's going to be any progress.

The fact that many of us have to hide in our own houses, hide from our loved ones, and have to endure the pain of self-doubt and self-resentment points to there being something very wrong with our society at the core, and that things need to change. You can't sit around and wait for someone to rescue you. You have to take the initiative. You have to figure out how to turn the word around. A person once told me that a single drop of rain does not have any power on it's own. But if it falls into the ocean, it has great power and can enact change for the better.

As you can see from the examples above, the people that seek to keep us down take it seriously. If we want to improve our lives, we need to take it seriously as well.

Sorry for the wall of text, folks. I should have the Constitutional Peasants skit for my signature if I keep this soapboxing up.

 

[SolariWriter]

Essentually accusing transsexuals of taking control and subjugating women by controlling their supposed image. Especially frightening is that this woman isn't just some lone crackpot, but a scholar emeriti at the University of Massachusetts, and also the leader of the CATW. Although she primarily attacks MtFs in her book, she also levels some shots at FtMs, as well, accusing them of "escaping" from the shame of being female and/or lesbian by assuming a male identity, once again, a supposed example of patriarchy further suppressing liberated femininity.

It never ceases to amaze me how my fellow human beings — Janice Raymond in this case — can come up with ways to demonize, subjugate and kill off other people.

It's incredibly disappointing and, honestly, there are days I really wonder if the human species is worth the effort being put into it. Maybe it'd be easier and simpler to simply destroy every human being, regardless of their qualities or lack thereof. **sigh** That old saying, "It's easier to destroy than to build," can be frighteningly true at times.

That said, I strive to find the small things in life that, when added together, tell me humanity can have a *glorious* future, if only as individuals and a collective we overcome our faults and divisions. Every time I see the tiny face of a newborn babe, my hope is restored. Every time I see an act of kindness from one to another, my hope is restored. Every time I'm immersed in nature's beauty, my hope is buoyed. When I look up into the night skies, seeing stars, planets, moons, meteors, comets and galaxies ... oh, God, it's all so beautiful ... so full of hope.

And so I struggle from day to day with my thoughts, fearful and yet hopeful at the same time. There's so much out there ... why waste time hating each other when there's other things to do, things that are much more constructive? **sigh** Questions, I suppose, that philosophers have been asking themselves since the dawn of sentience.

Raymond is no different from the other control/kill freaks that, unfortunately, dominate this hellish world of ours. Thing is, it's a hell of our own making, not God's. We have free will, damnit, and with it comes *responsibilities,* which we don't always take! THAT is the cause of so much unneccessary suffering in this world, and it's not God's fault, it's not Satan's fault ... hell, it's no "deity's" fault BUT OUR OWN. Don't blame God or other deities for our own troubles. That's the easy way out.

SolariWriter

P.S. Oh, as for the thread topic, I've always thought that I'd be comfortable as either male or female. After all, it's what's inside that counts.