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I view most of life through a dispassionate economic lens... and no doubt that had I been killed by a drunk driver in 2001, I'd be eternally grateful it wasn't a terrorist that got me.
 
JohnnySavage said:
The attack was a graphic example of violence. But to put it in perspective, in 2001 17.448 people were killed on American roads because of drunk driving - five times as many as died from the attacks. We would have gotten a bigger bang for our buck had we spent $1.7 trillion on a "war on drunks" instead of a "war on terror"
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an absurd comment by an absurd person
 
JohnnySavage said:
I view most of life through a dispassionate economic lens... and no doubt that had I been killed by a drunk driver in 2001, I'd be eternally grateful it wasn't a terrorist that got me.
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but in real life that doesnt work

while economics says 2 plus 2 is always 4

the ripple effect etc must be added in
 
Thanks for this. The thread was a piece of history and as much as I love this place, there aren't many like this one. Maybe I'll stop rolling my eyes at the General Board......
 
to the so called poster that expressed outrage that someone told a MUSLIM he should be dead after 9/11


ANY NORMAL PERSON WOULD EXPRESS THAT OUTRAGE, its UNDERSTANDABLE

THE FACT THAT THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO BACKLASH AT ALL SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED

 
LouCfer said:
an absurd comment by an absurd person
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:rolleyes:

You have a better chance of winning the Powerball than being killed by a terrorist. The "war on terrorism" was/is nothing but a replacement cash stream for government contractors when the Soviet Union collapsed.

We are Americans; we have a genetic predisposition to be afraid of something. We put barriers around our buildings. We search everyone. We monitor everyone. We spend money. It's what we do.
 
JohnnySavage said:
:rolleyes:

You have a better chance of winning the Powerball than being killed by a terrorist. The "war on terrorism" was/is nothing but a replacement cash stream for government contractors when the Soviet Union collapsed.

We are Americans; we have a genetic predisposition to be afraid of something. We put barriers around our buildings. We search everyone. We monitor everyone. We spend money. It's what we do.
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and we IMPORT MUSLIMS

who are TERRORISTS
 
JohnnySavage said:
:rolleyes:

You have a better chance of winning the Powerball than being killed by a terrorist. The "war on terrorism" was/is nothing but a replacement cash stream for government contractors when the Soviet Union collapsed.

We are Americans; we have a genetic predisposition to be afraid of something. We put barriers around our buildings. We search everyone. We monitor everyone. We spend money. It's what we do.
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And I probably only have an infinitesimally better chance of being harmed by any of the hundred or so people in this country who committed homicides yesterday. Does that mean we shouldn't lift a finger to apprehend and prosecute them?

How about if they followed up their crimes with a manifesto bragging about their determination to continue their rampage?

"Replacement cash stream for government contractors???" Yeah, Bush and Cheney made the whole thing up. They got the terrorists from central casting at FOX Pictures.

Stop. You're smarter than this.

That's not to say that any number of post-9/11 measures, like the bureaucratic bloat known as the Department of Homeland Security, have not been largely a waste of time and money. But you are still painting with a brush too broad and with a cynicism that the Bush administration did not deserve in the immediate wake of 9/11 nor deserves now merely because we have the benefit of hindsight.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
And I probably only have an infinitesimally better chance of being harmed by any of the hundred or so people in this country who committed homicides yesterday. Does that mean we shouldn't lift a finger to apprehend and prosecute them?

How about if they followed up their crimes with a manifesto bragging about their determination to continue their rampage?

"Replacement cash stream for government contractors???" Yeah, Bush and Cheney made the whole thing up. They got the terrorists from central casting at FOX Pictures.

Stop. You're smarter than this.

That's not to say that any number of post-9/11 measures, like the bureaucratic bloat known as the Department of Homeland Security, have not been largely a waste of time and money. But you are still painting with a brush too broad and with a cynicism that the Bush administration did not deserve in the immediate wake of 9/11 nor deserves now merely because we have the benefit of hindsight.
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I look at it as a cost-benefit exercise. If saving the lives of Americans is the goal, where would we get the best return on our investment.
 
JohnnySavage said:
I look at it as a cost-benefit exercise. If saving the lives of Americans is the goal, where would we get the best return on our investment.
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I look at saving American lives as being only one of several goals. No less an important goal is defending (which also in the context of legitimate warfare means attacking) any hostile force that attacks the United States and has proven themselves capable and dedicated to continuing that attack, however, infrequent or surreptitious.

Pursuing the goal of legitimate defense means putting the lives of some members of the American military at risk.

Pursuing the goal of legitimate defense also entails conducting multiple criminal investigations simultaneously with multiple military and intelligence operations. That takes a lot of money and personnel.

Some of that money may go to personnel employed by civilian contractors. That hardly renders the expenditures illegitimate or a poor return on your investment.
 
We were ordered to get ready to evacuate that afternoon, close proximity to a nuke plant, air force base and a navy base. They had no idea, if, or where another attack was going to happen. One of the saddest days of my life.

Afterwards, I just remember quiet. No jets, except bombers (on the ocean), no TV or radio. Just news. Computers went down. I was on the road and tried to call home, my cell phone did not work.

There is a nice tribute on youtube but I won't post it, as it does show people jumping and I do not want to offend. So I will post this :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B9zO5KzcjU
 
neakman said:
I will never forget....or forgive till there is repentance from those who acted as cowardly terrorists.
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I'm pretty sure they all died on impact, too late to repent.
I don't think many cowards would go on what's guaranteed to be a suicide mission.
 
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No country does a better job than the USA when it comes to using tragedy as a reason to kill.
 
Lancecastor said:
No country does a better job than the USA when it comes to using tragedy as a reason to kill.
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The aftermath of a hurricane and a murderous conspiratorial act of war are both undeniably tragic. But only one presents a justifiable COMPELLING REASON to retaliate with equally deadly force.

Is it really possible you don't know the difference?
 
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Colonel Hogan said:
The aftermath of a hurricane and a murderous conspiratorial act of war are both undeniably tragic. Both only one presents a justifiable COMPELLING REASON to retaliate with equally deadly force.

Is it really possible you don't know the difference?
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You do know Iraq had nothing to do with 911, right?
 
Sean said:
You do know Iraq had nothing to do with 911, right?
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Sure do. But Iraq hasn't been the only target of U. S. military action in the wake of 9/11 has it?

And you do know Saddam Hussein was in systematic violation of the agreements ending the first Gulf War, right? Action against Iraq was more than justified on that basis alone. If the Bush administration is to be faulted for anything with respect to Iraq it should be for initially doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

But even if we accept Iraq as a total failure of U. S. policy, I am sure you would agree that any single tactical failure of foreign policy hardly qualifies as a wholesale condemnation of the strategic campaign of resisting terrorism directed at the United States by force -- something that is both a moral right and responsibility.

And yet that is the "illogical extension" liberal pundits keep trying to make. It's the practiced expertise in drawing false analogies and linkages to damning but less than totally relevant facts.
 
September 11th, 15 years later. For those of us who spent the morning here at Lit speculating on our future, welcome back. To those of you reading this thread for the first time today, it will likely bring back memories of your own "time and place" from 15 years ago. No matter where you were 15 years ago today, we will never forget. :rose: As long as Lit is still around, I will bump this thread every September 11th.
 
Cheyenne said:
September 11th, 15 years later. For those of us who spent the morning here at Lit speculating on our future, welcome back. To those of you reading this thread for the first time today, it will likely bring back memories of your own "time and place" from 15 years ago. No matter where you were 15 years ago today, we will never forget. :rose: As long as Lit is still around, I will bump this thread every September 11th.
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..and Aussies have ANZAC Day.:rolleyes:
 
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