Harvard Bias Goes On Trial Monday

[Rightguide]

This should test the alleged new conservative majority on the SCOTUS:


Harvard bias trial to spotlight use of race in college admissions
A lawsuit accusing Harvard University of discriminating against Asian-American applicants is slated to go to trial Monday.
by Reuters / Oct.12.2018 / 12:06 PM PDT

BOSTON — A lawsuit challenging the use of race as a factor in U.S. college admissions will go to trial in Boston on Monday, when Harvard University is scheduled to face accusations that it discriminates against Asian-American applicants.

The lawsuit, backed by the Trump administration, could eventually reach the Supreme Court, giving the newly cemented five-member conservative majority a chance to bar the use of affirmative action to help minority applicants get into college.

“The case is critically important as it’s really about diversity at colleges all across the country,” said Nicole Gon Ochi, an attorney at Asian Americans Advancing Justice–Los Angeles who supports Harvard in the case.

Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA), founded by anti-affirmative action activist Edward Blum, sued Harvard in 2014, contending it illegally engages in “racial balancing” that artificially limits the number of Asian-American students at the Ivy League school.

The U.S. Justice Department, which launched a related probe of Harvard after Republican President Donald Trump’s election, has backed the group, saying the Cambridge, Massachusetts, university has not seriously considered alternative, race-neutral approaches to admissions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...spotlight-use-race-college-admissions-n919631

 

[SpeareChucker]

Dershowitz this morning was pointing out that they are a private institution and as such may have the right to pick their student body from the applicants.

I don't know.
I havent really looked into it, but do they take any Federal funding (I now they're rich in endowments) and are they considered to be doing business with the public.

Alan thinks the Asians will win, get overturned on appeal and then the SCOTUS is a crap shoot (my words).

 

[Rightguide]

Dershowitz this morning was pointing out that they are a private institution and as such may have the right to pick their student body from the applicants.

I don't know.
I havent really looked into it, but do they take any Federal funding (I now they're rich in endowments) and are they considered to be doing business with the public.

Alan thinks the Asians will win, get overturned on appeal and then the SCOTUS is a crap shoot (my words).

In 2014 their federal research funding was 608 million.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Does this have something to do with the Ivy League's preference for legacy students?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Does this have something to do with the Ivy League's preference for legacy students?

No, they're not accepting Asian students with perfect scores in the name of diversity.

 

[SpeareChucker]

In 2014 their federal research funding was 608 million.

That's somewhat of a separate category from financial aid. Right?

 

[Kirkrapine]

No, they're not accepting Asian students with perfect scores in the name of diversity.

So they can admit more blacks, or what?

 

[SpeareChucker]

So they can admit more blacks, or what?

Or Hispanics, or Indians, or whatever...

 

[Rightguide]

That's somewhat of a separate category from financial aid. Right?

You talking Pell Grants?

 

[SpeareChucker]

You talking Pell Grants?

I don't know. As I said, I'd have to do some research...

 

[Rightguide]

I don't know. As I said, I'd have to do some research...

Hard to get a handle on it all but I found this:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/1/22/federal-funding-decreases-2014/

 

[SpeareChucker]

Thanks for the link, but it's still about researches and not students.

The lawsuit isn't about overqualified researchers being excluded in the name of diversity by filling the slots with academics of lesser qualifications (boy would that be shooting your research department in the foot!), but about Asian students with impeccable scores and backgrounds being passed over to add students with lesser records who add to the diversity. My only question, before I can add some sort of opinion is pretty much do our tax dollars go to subsidizing portions of the student body (a crime in and of itself having a rough idea from articles past of how much money Harvard has in the bank; I think it's on the order of billions).

If they are taking Federal financial aid, I just wonder if they can hide behind the facade of being a private institution able to set its own rules as it pertains to things like admissions.

 

[Rightguide]

Thanks for the link, but it's still about researches and not students.

The lawsuit isn't about overqualified researchers being excluded in the name of diversity by filling the slots with academics of lesser qualifications (boy would that be shooting your research department in the foot!), but about Asian students with impeccable scores and backgrounds being passed over to add students with lesser records who add to the diversity. My only question, before I can add some sort of opinion is pretty much do our tax dollars go to subsidizing portions of the student body (a crime in and of itself having a rough idea from articles past of how much money Harvard has in the bank; I think it's on the order of billions).

If they are taking Federal financial aid, I just wonder if they can hide behind the facade of being a private institution able to set its own rules as it pertains to things like admissions.

I understand what the suit is about, Some think Harvard is private enough not to be subject to federal law or past SCOTUS rulings on affirmative action. I'm not sure they are and it would seem that Kavanaugh will not agree with Kennedy's decision in Fisher v. University of Texas, but time will tell.

 

[Que]

It's pretty simple Harvard and every other university public and private are public lunch counters. They are not permitted to discriminate on the basis of race.

They all do it. At some point it simply needs to come down to blind admissions where race is not indicated or suggested. It would be rather simple to have the applications be assigned numbers so that there are no names or pictures associated with the applicant.

Let the chips fall where they may. I very well know where the chips will fall which is the problem.

 

[Kirkrapine]

If they are taking Federal financial aid, I just wonder if they can hide behind the facade of being a private institution able to set its own rules as it pertains to things like admissions.

I could be wrong, but I don't think private institutions are exempt from affirmative action; certainly corporations aren't.

 

[nowisthetime]

Do not worry, more black folk are deciding to attend HBCUs.




Silly racist rightists. Your status in life is not threatened.

 

[SpeareChucker]

~~ bump ~~



In case the Colonel wanders in.

 

[Rightguide]

It's pretty simple Harvard and every other university public and private are public lunch counters. They are not permitted to discriminate on the basis of race.

They all do it. At some point it simply needs to come down to blind admissions where race is not indicated or suggested. It would be rather simple to have the applications be assigned numbers so that there are no names or pictures associated with the applicant.

Let the chips fall where they may. I very well know where the chips will fall which is the problem.

The admission qualifications should be based on scholastic merit only.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The admission qualifications should be based on scholastic merit only.

That's the way the Chinese have traditionally done it, which is why they have so many tiger moms. Their universities don't have to worry about stupid shit like "diversity." What most colleges seem to want is diversity in everything but thought.

 

[Rightguide]

That's the way the Chinese have traditionally done it, which is why they have so many tiger moms. Their universities don't have to worry about stupid shit like "diversity." What most colleges seem to want is diversity in everything but thought.

We only care about how things look. Like all other Potemkin village's our education village looks good until you walk through any of its doors and find an empty interior propped up with 2x4s.

 

[SpeareChucker]

*chuckle*

 

[Rightguide]

That's the way the Chinese have traditionally done it, which is why they have so many tiger moms. Their universities don't have to worry about stupid shit like "diversity." What most colleges seem to want is diversity in everything but thought.

Only the best and the brightest should go to college those who can't compete should be offered a vocation school of their choosing and within their ability.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Only the best and the brightest should go to college those who can't compete should be offered a vocation school of their choosing and within their ability.

I agree 100%.

College is not a "right" to be underwritten by the taxpayer at the national level.

 

[bellisarius]

Only the best and the brightest should go to college those who can't compete should be offered a vocation school of their choosing and within their ability.

I agree 100%.

College is not a "right" to be underwritten by the taxpayer at the national level.

Remember when most of the US cities had 'vocational' high schools? Then various court rulings determined that those schools were 'discriminatory' and everyone should be taking college preparatory classes. Today a skilled plumber or electrician will make more money over their working career than the college graduates of most fields and won't have any student loans to pay back. You've come a long way baby.

 

[Rightguide]

I agree 100%.

College is not a "right" to be underwritten by the taxpayer at the national level.

It dilutes the quality of education when lesser intellects are admitted. Time and resources are wasted trying to bring them up to the level of others who are themselves forced to suffer through remedial exercises that do not challenge the best people. Thus standards are lowered in order to accommodate otherwise unqualified people. The entire institutional mission is diminished and educators are converted into social justice warriors.