13 Facts About America Conservatives Would Like You to Forget

[cjh]

You said his investigation was litigated, explored and discounted. By who? When? Show me.

I said the issue of Obama's eligibility to run--which included allegations regarding the veracity of his birth certificate--was thoroughly litigated.

Excuse me if I was less than clear.

Do you disagree with that?

 

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[cjh]

There was no in depth vetting process you ignorant fool. You think if there was there would be any question? Nobody ever checked his bona fides out. BTW, this whole call for an investigation was started by the Clinton campaign. He posted a digital copy of a birth certificate on the White House web site after his legitimacy was questioned, It is that document that was investigated and found to be a forgery.

So what besides your Obama religion can you offer up as proof of his natural born status?

He was twice sworn in.

 

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[cjh]

How does that prove the veracity of his submitted digital birth certificate? I think it's more proof of a lot of whistling past the graveyard in Washington, than anything else. The fact that the establishment doubled down on their first malfeasance is not unique.

It's a shame that no one with a posse like Sheriff Joe or money like Donald Trump could have put some oomph into the investigation.

 

[Disgustipated]

MeeMie! Where are you? Raster layers!

 

[cjh]

Here's what I said:

So now, your ignorance of technology, discards the findings of the only American law enforcement investigation of the single piece of evidence the President has submitted as proof of his native birth; the result having found probable cause of forgery, is now some ambiguity undeserving of consideration?

Here's your answer:

It's been litigated left and right and found false.

Since I am not a master of all things and since I have faith that it has been exhaustively explored and discounted, I'll rest comfortable that the allegation is bullshit.


My question was specfic. I asked you to show me. You have failed to do so, and now claim you thought I was referring to something else, then you throw up your "faith" as satisfactory proof of the truth of your point. I guess in your law office it's customary to rely on "faith" instead of real evidence to judge the truth, eh?

In law, it's called res judicata.

I guess the law does not like beating dead horses.

 

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[cjh]

Except this horse was never judged while alive or dead, just ignored.

What!!!!?!

What happened to Sheriff Joe's investigation?

 

[Disgustipated]

Except this horse was never judged while alive or dead, just ignored.

Us lay people call it cover-up.

So senile he can't string 2 thoughts together.

 

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[cjh]

You said it was litigated left and right, explored and discounted. I asked by who and when? You have failed to answer.

Yup.

Sure has been.

I guess Arizona is so full of Obama supporters that the powers that be there participated in a coverup, too.

Remind me--billion dollars a day?, or a million?

My tinfoil hat is not receiving as well as it should be.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You said it was litigated left and right, explored and discounted. I asked by who and when? You have failed to answer.

List of Birther Lawsuits

No need to apologize....we know you have no honor.

 

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[cjh]

KO

characters

really?

really, vette?

this little nugget of gold still keeps you up?

there are so many more richer,
more tangible
conservative points that could be arbitrated...

this birther thing is so abstract at this point
that i am quite sure that
most intelligent political cross partisans
are quite happy
that you still gaily harumph in that well worn briar patch...

keeping you out of more serious discourse...

it's thick
and clumsy of you...
and what an enduring tell!

i just don't get it?
unless it is desperate act to stir some, any(?) direct response?

 

[Sean Renaud]

None of the founders ideas were in any way analogous to the term "left wing" as it is understood today. So the above is simple bullshit. Nor do today's liberals or Occupy anarchists subscribe to the principles of limited government, free enterprise, or the kind of personal liberty contemplated in the Constitution.

Oh and by the way, Americans who supported the King were referred to as Loyalists, most were rightfully killed or run out of the country. We ought to do the same to those who support a "King" today.

You're right, the modern Left Wing is much less radicalized than the Founders. None of us would dream of attacking the United States Government, certainly not over something as petty as paying the bills. As for limited government the Founders lived in a world where "limited" government meant something different as well and todays liberals are more dedicated to free enterprise and personal liberty than today's right or the Founding Fathers.

Oh, and by the way both terms were correct for Americans who supported the King. I'd love to see your evidence about them being killed or run out of the country but we have no King today. If we do he would certainly be found amongst the 1% that you desperately fight to protect.

 

[Disgustipated]

So where is KO, now that I've demolished most of his 13 point manifesto? Just askin'.

You're fucking insane.

 

[phrodeau]

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Oct/31/br/hawaii81031064.html

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

The people responsible for verifying the legitimacy of birth certificates have verified that Obama's birth certificate is legitimate. That is the reason it can't be a forgery.

 

[jeninflorida]

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we need more welfare



obama is a dog...I mean god




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[RobDownSouth]

So where is KO, now that I've demolished most of his 13 point manifesto? Just askin'.

Declarin' victory prematurely again? How Zipmanesque.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The backlash is coming, but it is the reverse of the one you are thinking of.

Exempli gratia:

AlterNet / By Steven Rosenfeld

6 Rabidly Right-Wing Republican Governors Who Might Get the Boot

They put right-wing ideology first—and voters don’t like it.

June 27, 2014 | Six of the nation’s most heavy-handed Republican governors are facing tough 2014 re-election contests that leading Beltway analysts say are “toss-ups,” which means current polling suggests that they face good odds of being ousted by voters this fall.

The endangered Republicans include party leaders on a litany of issues that have come to define the modern GOP as being more driven by anti-government ideology and corporate giveaways than helping the middle- and working classes. The governors are known for cutting corporate taxes, public-sector union-busting, defunding education, gutting social safety nets, not expanding Medicaid for the poor under Obamacare, loosening gun laws and stripping voting rights. Many have used their office to reward their allies and bully opponents. In response, pollsters are saying they are in 2014’s closest races.

That’s the conclusion at RealPolitics.com, The Cook Political Report, Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball, and by other political handicappers. In contrast, the three “toss-up” races involving Democratic governors have very different dynamics. Two are rematches with past candidates who lost to incumbents (Connecticut, Hawaii). A third involves a GOP millionaire running against an uncharismatic governor in a large blue state (Illinois).

Let’s look at the six endangered Republicans who may be ousted this fall.

1. Florida’s Tea Party Republican Rick Scott. Florida under Scott has not been a state of warm sunshine and welcoming beaches. Joblessness, foreclosures, crimes preying on the elderly, economic inequality have all risen under his tenure. Scott also has overseen cuts in needed programs, from education to social welfare. Scott made his fortune as the head of a hospital chain that was fined $1.7 billion in the late 1990s for Medicare fraud— as Politifact Florida put it, stealing from the elderly. His re-election strategy is based on spreading fears about Obamacare and trashing the health reform. Like most ideological Republicans, he did not expand his state’s public health care for the poor—Medicaid—under the Affordable Care Act, despite federal funding covering the startup costs.

Scott’s Democratic opponent is likely to be former moderate Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who switched parties and has attacked Scott for putting profits ahead of people—in the private sector and as governor. Scott favored tax cuts, but raised taxes when economic growth faltered, Crist said. He tried to purge voter rolls of hundreds of thousands of non-white voters, but backed down under Department of Justice pressure. “It’s kind of a pattern. It’s fraud,” Crist said in May. “That’s what he does.”

2. Wisconsin’s Union-Buster Scott Walker. Two years ago, Walker became the darling of the GOP’s union-busting wing by ripping up collective bargaining rights won by most of the state’s public employee unions—teachers and civil servants but not police and fire fighters. That prompted tens of thousands of people to protest for weeks at the Capitol in Madison and sparked a special recall election. However, Walker won after Democrats put forth the same lackluster candidate who lost to him in 2010. His tough-on-crime policies also have been singled out as racially discriminatory, leading to the country’s highest rate of African-American men behind bars, the New Republic reported. Walker also refused to expand Medicaid under Obamacare. This year, he faces Democrat Mary Burke, an ex-Trek Bicycle executive and ex-state secretary of commerce. She has a record of creating jobs, while under Walker the state has seen poor job growth compared to its nieghbors.

Walker also is emeshed in a corruption scandal for being at the center of an “criminal scheme,” as prosecutors—including Republicans—recently put it, for funnelling $20 million from a who’s who of right wingers to front groups who backed him during the recall. Walker, who sees himself as a 2016 presidential contender, told Fox News that case was “resolved.” However, it’s not, and the political money-laundering affair will keep reminding voters of his arrogance and imperial management style into the fall.

3. Kansas Pro-Business Libertarian Sam Brownback. Most pundits consider Kansas to be an irrevocably red state, but voters are apparently rethinking their anti-government attitudes after seeing what Gov. Sam Brownback, the former U.S. senator, has done as governor. Brownback ran on a platform that embraced the conservative fantasy that cutting corporate taxes would create so much economic growth that revenues would balloon and cover public programs. Brownback’s plan, adopted after taking office, is spectacularly backfiring. State tax revenues have fallen by 9 percent, leading to cuts in teacher salaries, larger classrooms, draining the state’s rainy day fund, and lowering its bond rating. Brownback, like other GOP governors who like to throw their weight around (i.e., New Jersey’s Gov. Chris Christy), is under investigation by the FBI for “whether members of his inner political circle tried to pressure companies to hire certain lobbyists close to Brownback’s administration,” the AP reported.

Brownback faces House Minority Leader, Democrat Paul Davis, who has made the state fiscal crisis the top issue in his campaign. On May 30, Kansas’s Department of Revenue reported that Brownback’s 2012 tax plan created a $310 million shortfall for the current fiscal year. Davis’s first messages have called for “leadership, not experiments.”

4. Pennsylvania’s Anti-Teacher, Pro-Fracking Tom Corbett. Like other governors elected in 2010’s Tea Party wave, Corbett, a former state attorney general, ran as an anti-tax crusader and then proceeded to gut basic public services while pandering to private interests—especially the natural gas fracking industry. Upon taking office, he faced a $4 billion deficit. Corbett’s response was to not raise taxes but to cut thousands of teacher jobs and social services for the poor. A year later, he pushed Act 13, perhaps the nation’s worst new environmental law, through the GOP-led Legislature. It gave gas companies unchecked authority to drill anywhere, overturn local zoning, seize private property and muzzle physicians from discussing fracking-related illnesses in patients.

Corbett also presided over a GOP-led voting rights crisis, where the Legislature imposed a tougher voter ID requirement but then the state could not provide required new IDs to thousands of legal voters before 2012’s fall election. That debacle prompted the state’s top court to suspend the law. He also refused to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, but “presided over corporate tax cuts of $1.2 billion,” The New York Times reported. In May, Democats chose businessman and ex-state revenue secretary, Tom Wolf, as their nominee. He has hit Corbett for firing 20,000 teachers, the state’s current $1.4 billion deficit despite tax cuts, and portrayed him as a cold-hearted, out-of-touch governor.

5. Georgia’s Ethically Challenged Nathan Deal. Before Deal ran for governor and won in 2010, he was the rare congressman whose conflicts of interest were so brazen that the action-averse House Ethics Committee was poised to officially sanction him. He resigned from the House as that action was pending and ran for governor in Georgia, where he was accused of campaign violations and in 2012 settled those charges. Deal is another GOP governors who rejected expanding Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, preventing 650,000 low-income Georgians from getting health insurance. He also signed what has been called the worst pro-gun bill in the U.S. adopted after 2012’s Sandy Hook School massacre. It allows guns in bars, nightclubs, schools, churches and government buildings.

Deal is being challenged by state Sen. Jason Carter, a lawyer and grandson of ex-Georgia governor and President Jimmy Carter. Carter is running on “education, ethics, and the economy,” and also promising to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. The Republican Governor’s Association, headed by New Jersey’s Gov. Christy—who did expand Medicaid under Obamacare in his state—just bought $500,000 in ads attacking Carter for that stance. This early mudslinging underscores Deal’s vulnerability.

6. Maine’s Combative Tea Partier Paul LePage. Maine has a long history of electing political mavericks—candidates who relish being outside the mainstream. But LePage’s election amid the Tea Party’s 2010 wave resulted in what some pundits say is the worst governor in the nation. Beyond following the same anti-Obama playbook of right-wing peers, LePage is been cited by watchdog groups like Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) as uniquely abrasive and corrupt. He appointed lobbyists to top state posts, where they have pushed anti-regulatory agendas. He ordered a mural celebrating the Labor Movement removed from a state office building and then bullied state labor department for approving too many unemployment insurance claims. He’s known for his rough style and set a record for vetoing bills, including 15 in one day.

LePage is in a three-way race for governor that includes Eliot Cutler, who almost won in 2010, and Democratic U.S. Rep. Michael Michaud. The most recent statewide poll found Michaud and LePage in a dead heat, with many likely voters saying they were waiting to see who would could beat LePage in the fall—Michaud or Cutler. “I think he’s shown a lot of disrespect for the office and for the people of Maine,” businessman Matthew Howe told the Portland Press Herald. “He’s really become an embarrassment.”

Had Enough?

Howe’s sentiments could describe how many voters—not just Democrats—feel about these six Republican governors, all of which are said to be in toss-up fall elections. In Washington, Tea Partiers may be powerful contributors to congressional gridlock. But back in the states where voters see how these firebrands actually govern, they’re not impressed. These races are toss-ups because voters are sick of ideology—not governance based on public service.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I have no issue with Obama being labeled "a citizen"...

...as anyone allegedly born in the US to an American citizen parent surely also has the right to claim.

Well, of course they have, and always have had. What is your point?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Of course he doesn't, Renard...

Why are you bolding first letters of usernames?