2009 News & Views: Discussions and Announcements for the Survivorphile

[Middleagepoet]

To help a bit in understanding some of my submissions

My submission titled "How to Pop a Cherry" was a how to article on writing first time stories outlining some misconceptions many writers, myself included, have or had about the hymen, virginity and first time sex in general. I have received a number of positive responses on the submission.

I had one story I submitted as a Non-human story that was changed to a Science fiction/Fantasy. I didn't necessarily agree with the submission, but instead of editing the story to get it correctly placed, I accepted the reassignment and then wrote another nonhuman story.

As for any of my other stories, if you have any question regarding the category placement I'd be happy to help explain my category placement for the story. Other than the one story outlined above, it seems the editors have agreed with my placements.

Regarding the rule intrepretations, I offered my opinion... it is clear to me. Once an immunity is selected the category level is closed to all further entries. It doesn't say it is closed to all further entries unless the author changes his or her mind and erases an immunity, it says the category level closes when the immunity is selected. That is in the rules, the category level is closed.

MAP

 

[PositiveThinker]

hold onto your hats

Hi, Freddie. I am assuming you are BFW, because the above post sounds like the sniveling and whining I used to read from him. That and the fact that you seem to have a gripe against me, although I don't ever remember even mentioning you by your current name. In addition to that, there is your purported knowledge of BFW in last year's contest, even though you, supposedly, did not join Lit. until a year ago, and your apparent animosity toward Princess Erin, who is not really a contestant this year.

I have had several stories posted to a category that I didn't ask for, and I have sometimes complained to Laurel about it. They were either changed or not. I have never actually complained here, although I have cautioned Survivor contestants that such things can happen. For instance, if somebody has capped the Lesbian category and submits a story about two women sharing a strapon and wants it in T & M, it will be listed as Lesbian.

I don't believe I own the site, but I have been here a long time and am always willing to provide aid to another author. I have been in this contest seven times now, and have always placed in the top ten, but have never won. I do answer questions sometimes and offer opinions, but those are just that - opinions.

I do agree that only decent quality stories should even be accepted by Lit. but, since there is no quality control in place, whatever is accepted by Lit. is also accepted by The Survivors' Contest, with the possible exception of Novels and Novellas and stories that are in chapters.

When my E-books were published, you asked my help in publishing your story and I did. Do you remember that, George? Do you remember me giving you the inside line to my publisher and helping you to publish your story.

You were so happy, so grateful that I was able to help you that you stabbed in the back and ranted at me every chance you got. You are a miserable bastard, George. That's why I don't like you, other than you're probably a pedophile, too.

Now, let't talk about this contest. This, even though it is called the Survivor Contest, is supposed to be a writing contest and not a shit dumping contest, which is what it has become. Many of the readers dread December because they know that all Survivor Contestants are going to dump their stories. Well, if you can't beat them, join them, which is why I've been saving up all my stories for last week of the contest.

Hold on to your hats boys and girls because the last count I have 211 stories ready to submit.

Finally, after coming in 2nd place twice, after the winners were helped and given stories by other writers to beat me, I'll win.

Merry Christmas, George.

Oh, and don't forget to register on the sex offender's list. And you really shouldn't be calling all those neighborhood kids your grandchildren. It's creepy.

 

[PositiveThinker]

My submission titled "How to Pop a Cherry" was a how to article on writing first time stories outlining some misconceptions many writers, myself included, have or had about the hymen, virginity and first time sex in general. I have received a number of positive responses on the submission.

I had one story I submitted as a Non-human story that was changed to a Science fiction/Fantasy. I didn't necessarily agree with the submission, but instead of editing the story to get it correctly placed, I accepted the reassignment and then wrote another nonhuman story.

As for any of my other stories, if you have any question regarding the category placement I'd be happy to help explain my category placement for the story. Other than the one story outlined above, it seems the editors have agreed with my placements.

Regarding the rule intrepretations, I offered my opinion... it is clear to me. Once an immunity is selected the category level is closed to all further entries. It doesn't say it is closed to all further entries unless the author changes his or her mind and erases an immunity, it says the category level closes when the immunity is selected. That is in the rules, the category level is closed.

MAP

Actually, MAP, your latest first time story, the one that doesn't have a plot, a beginning, a middle, and an ending or any character development, the one where the guy is eating a candy bar, how is that a first time story. He never ate a candy bar before? I don't get it.

You seem to be a decent writer, but I wouldn't know. I haven't read any story of yours that is memorable. Why are you here, if you aren't going to write stories?

Do you think this site and this contest is a blog and you can vomit up your blurbs instead of writing a decent story that you'd be proud of and that the rest of us can enjoy?

Merry Christmas

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Yes, I understand of course, and not to beat a dead horse, but you must admit that you, Crimson, and Middleagedpost are interpreting rules and not reading them as written or not written, for that matter.

There is nothing written in the rules that states a competitor can erase his immunity and replace it with a story, just as there was nothing written in the rules that stated a competitor can use any and all of their immunities, whether or not he or she has any stories posted.

I'm no lawyer, but as the rules do not specifically read that we cannot erase an immunity, I think it shouldn't be open to interpretation at the midnight hour.

A rule is a rule and if there is no rule, then, well, here we go again.

There is a rule, written, and it has always been in effect since immunities began being used in the Survivor Contest, nearly 10 years ago. Once used, whether or not they are inscribed in the scorecard, immunities close that category (or, this year, that category's cap level) to any further submissions.

Even if you edit out the original post in the immunities thread, that does not and never has opened up the category for submissions again. That is why the moderators take note of each winners' choices every week, in the first post of every immunity thread.

This is not and has never been open to interpretation.

 

[PositiveThinker]

thank you

There is a rule, written, and it has always been in effect since immunities began being used in the Survivor Contest, nearly 10 years ago. Once used, whether or not they are inscribed in the scorecard, immunities close that category (or, this year, that category's cap level) to any further submissions.

Even if you edit out the original post in the immunities thread, that does not and never has opened up the category for submissions again. That is why the moderators take note of each winners' choices every week, in the first post of every immunity thread.

This is not and has never been open to interpretation.

Thank you so much for the clarification. Now, I understand. If only this was explained to me in this way before, we wouldn't have had an issue.

Hey, Soxlicker, do you get it now? You can't be erasing your immunities. A rule is a rule.

Thank you Lauren Hynde, you are too kind. Hey, that rhymes. I think I've just been inspired to write a poem.

 

[Middleagepoet]

Cinnamon Roll

Would you have prefered cheese danish? I wrote that one before I wrote "How to Pop a Cherry" and yes my misconceptions regarding first time sex were apparent as I ran into an obstruction, not unlike the dangling danish... I mean cinnamon roll.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Thank you Lauren Hynde, you are too kind. Hey, that rhymes.

It shouldn't.

 

[PositiveThinker]

Would you have prefered cheese danish? I wrote that one before I wrote "How to Pop a Cherry" and yes my misconceptions regarding first time sex were apparent as I ran into an obstruction, not unlike the dangling danish... I mean cinnamon roll.

Actually, for something different, I'd like to read a real story from you instead of all the shitty 800-1,100 nonsensical stories you're dumping on the board, just to win a contest.

As a writer, how does that make you feel to prostitute yourself and not be true to yourself? Tell me, when you wake up in the morning to see that your story has posted, are you excited to read the shitty story you wrote or do you not even bother reading it, knowing you just wrote it to dump shit on the board, so much like graffetti?

I'm excited to reread all my stories. I guess that's the difference between a real writer and someone like you. Even Boxlicker writes a decent story. You'd never see Boxlicker giving any less than his best effort. He's a real writer. If he didn't care so much about the craft of writing, as I do, he and I both would have won this contest by now. Only, instead of dumping abbreviated stories, stories that lack plot and character development, we actually continue to write the best stories we know how to write. Have you read some of his stories? I have. They are very good.

If you are serious about writing, MAP, you could never post some of the shit you've been posting here. I'm embarrassed for you.

When it's all said and done, after you've won or placed in the Survivor Contest, your shitty stories will still remain on your page, so much like a shit stain. There's not a story, out of the more than 700 stories that I've written in 3 years that I'm not proud of and worked my hardest to write. And because of that dedication, every day I grow and improve as a writer.

I'm only here because this site gives me a reason to write every day. There's not another writer who has put out more stories and poems 671, in two years, not even the great SamuelX, than me, Bostonfictionwriter.

You may win a contest by dumping your low quality stories on the board, but in actuality, what have you really won? After all the smoke clears, it must pain you to even go back and read your shitty, little stories. Do you even bother? I routinely go back and read some of my stories because of the enjoyment that I receive, and I'm sure that Boxlicker understands what I've written here, because we share that passion, the passion of writing.

I hope you'll take a lesson from this post.

 

[PositiveThinker]

Not to belabor the point about dumping stories just to win a contest, this site is made up of great writers. Two of the greatest writers on the site are moderators for Survivor, Crimson and Lauren. If you'd like to improve your writing craft, I suggest you read some of their offerings, MAP.

Even when Crimson and Lauren participated in Survivor, both wrote the best stories they knew how to write. I have no idea how either one of them feels, but I imagine it must pain them to read some of the offerings that you've written.

It's people like you, MAP, who ruin this site and this contest for all. This should be a fun thing and not a stressful thing around the holidays.

I've had my say. I'm done. I'll go away now...until next year and the 2010 Survivor Contest!

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

As far as categories being changed, I've had at least one story put in a different category than the one I've submitted. Also, any survivorphile who believes a competitor's (or any other for that matter) story is placed in the wrong category can report the story using the "report this story" link at the end and tell Laurel & Manu it belongs somewhere else and why. Mods don't have time to check every story individually, so the only way we know someone may be trying to fudge things is if it is brought to our attention.

 

[LitEroCat]

Hi All - Can anyone tell me how the list of theme contest stories is ordered? It does NOT seem to be alphabetically or by date. Could it be by # of reads or vote score?
However it is, it would be helpful if a 1 line note were on the page so we could understand why a story will jump all over the list every day. Thanks,

 

[Boxlicker101]

Hi All - Can anyone tell me how the list of theme contest stories is ordered? It does NOT seem to be alphabetically or by date. Could it be by # of reads or vote score?
However it is, it would be helpful if a 1 line note were on the page so we could understand why a story will jump all over the list every day. Thanks,

It has always been my understanding that the stories are listed at random and they change in order frequently. This only makes sense, because it is an advantage to any one story to be first on thje list.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[CrimsonMaiden]

I am fully aware of the repercussions of posting the following question/comment.

I am wondering why almost all the contestants this year are following the "no chapter" rule but a few people are writing chapter stories but naming them in such a way that according to the rules it's not a chapter.

Hoping that this behaviour is not rewarded.

A title will not keep a story from being disqualified if it is indeed a chapter. Stuff like that will be checked when scores are tallied but if anyone is aware of this going on, then please send me a pm so I can check it out. Thanks!

 

[PositiveThinker]

Merry Xmas

A title will not keep a story from being disqualified if it is indeed a chapter. Stuff like that will be checked when scores are tallied but if anyone is aware of this going on, then please send me a pm so I can check it out. Thanks!

PrincessAirHead is referring to my stories. She's already sent me a nasty PM. This is the same miserable woman who started all the trouble last year.

PAH, sweetie, all my stories are stand alone stories. You do not have to access one to make sense of the other.

Thank you for making an ass of yourself again. Have a Merry Xmas.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

It's down to the wire now. Don't forget to put "Survivor Contest 2009" in the notes field of any stories you submit up until the deadline (if you submit stories on the 31st with that in the notes, you might get lucky and have them posted on 1st, but there are no guarantees.) Also remember the deadline to have your scorecard completed is midnight Eastern time January 4. If it's not on the card at the point, it won't be counted. Only stories posted to Literotica between Jan 2, 2009 and Jan 1, 2010 will count for the 2009 contest.

In the meantime, please go over to the 2010 discussion thread and weigh in on the immunity issue. We need to get that nailed down within the next few days. If no one weighs in, the rules will likely stay mostly the same for 2010.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is so frustrating, I've got three stories that have been pending for a week or more.

On a side note since I think there is a general consensus that sandbagging is wrong, but not against the rules is it possible next year (or the year after since I know this is sorta last second) to maybe put a rule in place where maybe the first story each month gets extra points? Ultimately nothing is ever going to stop Sand Bagging but that seems like a way to cut back that might be worth looking into.

The only problem I see with it is that it gives an advantage to people who've been in the contest since the begining, but so does the immunity strategy, and to a lesser extent so does the Special Contests

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

This is so frustrating, I've got three stories that have been pending for a week or more.

On a side note since I think there is a general consensus that sandbagging is wrong, but not against the rules is it possible next year (or the year after since I know this is sorta last second) to maybe put a rule in place where maybe the first story each month gets extra points? Ultimately nothing is ever going to stop Sand Bagging but that seems like a way to cut back that might be worth looking into.

The only problem I see with it is that it gives an advantage to people who've been in the contest since the begining, but so does the immunity strategy, and to a lesser extent so does the Special Contests

Giving extra points for "when" a story posts would be way too much work. It would require the moderators to check multiple posting dates for each and every participant. Even if someone sandbags, as long as others are consistently writing and submitting stories all year long, it's going to be difficult to beat them. Besides, I would almost bet that there's a limit of how many stories per day Laurel is willing to approve per person (though I don't know that for sure.)

 

[Boxlicker101]

Giving extra points for "when" a story posts would be way too much work. It would require the moderators to check multiple posting dates for each and every participant. Even if someone sandbags, as long as others are consistently writing and submitting stories all year long, it's going to be difficult to beat them. Besides, I would almost bet that there's a limit of how many stories per day Laurel is willing to approve per person (though I don't know that for sure.)

The more common method of sandbagging, and what Freddie is doing, is to post stories and not include them in the scorecard until the last day or so. I'm not complaining about him, since it is within the rules, just commenting.

 

[PositiveThinker]

Happy New Year

The more common method of sandbagging, and what Freddie is doing, is to post stories and not include them in the scorecard until the last day or so. I'm not complaining about him, since it is within the rules, just commenting.

Box, how can you say that about me when I was totally sand bagged by MungoPark in 2007? In 2007 I updated my scorecard every time a story posted and I did the same in 2008. What for? Just to let my competition see how many more points they need to beat me? Or in the case of PrincessAirHead, how many more stories she needed from others to help her beat me?

As matter of fact, Box, if you look through the Survivor Archives, since you have nothing better to do than to make an ass of yourself, you'll find the post that I made about sand bagging.

I suggested that for a story to count in the Survivor Contest, the story had to be posted to the person's scorecard within a week. You and the others laughed or didn't even answer my suggestion. And now here you are crying and complaining about what of all things, sand bagging.

Either you're a moron or you are just posting this comment to start shit, as you did last year and as you've done throughout the year by dragging my name through the mud, you pedo.

If you have the balls, make the rule that if you write a story and want it counted in Survivor, the story must be posted to the scorecard within a week or even by the end of the month, how's that? That wil end sand bagging and we all can see everyone else's score. I like it. It sounds fair to me.

I even said that in every sport, we always know the score of the game. Not in Survivor. None of us have a clue what's going on, unless we take it upon ourselves to update everyone's scorecard on Excel.

"What's the score?"

"I don't know."

"Don't know?"

"They haven't finished playing the game yet."

Do you remember my post now, Pedo?

Oh, and by the way, I'm not the only one sand bagging here. How about Middleagedpoet? Or have you forgotten about him or her. He or she has more points than I have. I'd worry more about him, Box, actually I'd worry more about yourself if I were you.

Happy New Year Box. Leave the children alone, you pedo.

 

[Sean Renaud]

As long as the players had to mark what story they were counting I don't see it as being terribly more difficult than confirming that they participated in a given tournament. But ok, I don't know how to go back and check a tournament once it's finished.

A week is too short a period of time, particularly since stories (take mine for example) aren't always posted in a timely fashion. And you can't score a story until it's written because you never know for sure what category its going to end up in. Granted what you request wins out 90% of the time but you don't know. Not to mention people generally have outside lives.

There is also the point of (and I think this is the same problem with immunities) that if you have to make your score immediately it doesn't give you any flexibility. I would gladly give up an immunity at this point to write more stories because I'm not going to meet the first cap, and it's not because I don't have the stories written and submitted it's that its they've been pending for two and three weeks each. If I'd gotten (or get there are still four days left) my score goes up by a bunch and I win, if not while wife2black is still behind by four points I'd be shocked if she hasn't tied that up by now and because of immunities she only needs to tie to win. And seriously, a month is WAY too long since the normal wait is like three days in my expirience.

 

[PositiveThinker]

As long as the players had to mark what story they were counting I don't see it as being terribly more difficult than confirming that they participated in a given tournament. But ok, I don't know how to go back and check a tournament once it's finished.

A week is too short a period of time, particularly since stories (take mine for example) aren't always posted in a timely fashion. And you can't score a story until it's written because you never know for sure what category its going to end up in. Granted what you request wins out 90% of the time but you don't know. Not to mention people generally have outside lives.

There is also the point of (and I think this is the same problem with immunities) that if you have to make your score immediately it doesn't give you any flexibility. I would gladly give up an immunity at this point to write more stories because I'm not going to meet the first cap, and it's not because I don't have the stories written and submitted it's that its they've been pending for two and three weeks each. If I'd gotten (or get there are still four days left) my score goes up by a bunch and I win, if not while wife2black is still behind by four points I'd be shocked if she hasn't tied that up by now and because of immunities she only needs to tie to win. And seriously, a month is WAY too long since the normal wait is like three days in my expirience.

A week or at the end of the month from when a story is posted on Literotica not submitted to Literotica.

The moderators claim it would be a nightmare to police, but it wouldn't when we have such nit pickers such as Asslicker and PrincessAirhead.

They are the moderators external policing force. They love to stir up shit, even when there is none to stir up.

 

[Sean Renaud]

In my expirience stories are usually posted in three days. In fact just for shits and giggles give me a title and I'll have a story up by the end of the year just to disprove your month long theory.

 

[PositiveThinker]

In my expirience stories are usually posted in three days. In fact just for shits and giggles give me a title and I'll have a story up by the end of the year just to disprove your month long theory.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Perhaps, I wasn't clear.

What I wrote was we should and must have the stories that previously posted to Literotica posted to our Survivor card by the end of the week, end of the month, or the end of the quarter, which ever time period is decided.

I did not mean that it takes stories a month to post.

Anyway, I'm wasting my time writing suggestions to this contest. They are never taken.

Whatever is decided is fine with me. I just write stories. It's just about the story to me.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Then I misunderstood. (I'm probably sensitive about the fact because I have two stories that have been pending since like the 4th, which is rediculous. Worse is they are effectively worth like ten points because that's what'll put me over the first tier. I apologize.)

On a side note though based on what I've gathered from listening to you you know that sandbagging is wrong. That's why you remember that box did it two years ago, that's why you've proposed (great ideas though initially too strict thinks me) suggestions for how the problem could be fixed in the future. Seems hypocritical at the least to say you know something is unethical and then turn around and do it. You know there is a difference between LEGAL and RIGHT.