2009 will go down as the year of the femm

[Stella_Omega]

A large number of gay guys ARE repulsed by women, though. I'm not saying it defines all gay people - obviously not - but many gay men are misogynistic in this way. I have a dear friend who accidentally brushed my boob once when he was about to hug me, and he drew back in horror. A lot of my friends are the same way...I can think of ONE who doesn't mind admitting a woman can be attractive (and yet doesn't want to fuck her).

Exactly. And, In the very same way, a lot of straight men are repulsed by the mere touch of another man. Because, you know-- man cooties. Woman cooties, Urrgh, can't ever get rid of the horror....

We humans are so very symbolic! And this society is really fucked up-- we really believe that cooties exist.

(I won't even go into the point that it's men who have and create this problem, by and large, but one defining charactaristic of the "masculinised brain" in females is this hard-line way of thinking)

 

[infinity706]

Actually, it's more like; Most heterosexuals can't figure out what else a gay couple would do, because sticking a pole in a hole is the only way they ever experience sex. And eating pussy is the only thing they can think of to do if someone doesn't have a pole to stick in it. Every time I've ever said "that's not all"-- that's when I get the look of shock...

Yeah, but to be fair, that's the image that 'lesbian' porn paints. If you want most people to realize that lesbians do more than 2 minutes of oral before jabbing each other with a million vibrators, there needs to be some new porn to show what really does happen. Its not like gay/bi guys actually do even 10% as much anal as porn suggests.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yeah, but to be fair, that's the image that 'lesbian' porn paints. If you want most people to realize that lesbians do more than 2 minutes of oral before jabbing each other with a million vibrators, there needs to be some new porn to show what really does happen. Its not like gay/bi guys actually do even 10% as much anal as porn suggests.

"to be fair," what's shown in porn is not my problem. That shit's made for straight men, not me, and by straight men, not me.

The real thing is out there. It's just not made for the het market!

 

[Wolfman1982]

Hey, if this year goes down as the year of the femme, then let the next year be a celebration of all women.

 

[none2_none2]

A large number of gay guys ARE repulsed by women, though. I'm not saying it defines all gay people - obviously not - but many gay men are misogynistic in this way. I have a dear friend who accidentally brushed my boob once when he was about to hug me, and he drew back in horror. A lot of my friends are the same way...I can think of ONE who doesn't mind admitting a woman can be attractive (and yet doesn't want to fuck her).

I have a few things that repulse me, but it isn't gender. I'll share one for this posting -- seeing children in a sexual way.

I remember years ago, I picked up a smallish guy. He was definitely an adult -- hairy and balding. He was smallish in height and weight to the point where he had to buy clothing from the boy's sections of stores... Anyway, he took me to his motel room and after "you know what", we both fell asleep. I woke up and he his little body was sleeping on top of me. I don't know if you have ever had an experience where you fell asleep in the afternoon and wake up disoriented thinking that it is the next day because some how you have east & west mixed up. Anyway, I had a similar disorientation. However, it wasn't with directions and sunlight, but over who I was with. That feeling of little body laying on my naked body made me think I had fucked a boy and feel asleep. It simply freaked me out big time. Years later a lady friend tried to seduce me. We ended up just sleeping next to each other. However, what turned me off was her size -- not her gender. She had smallish lips, smallish hands, fairly slender. She gave off a lot of body heat which was strange. However, I assume that is an individual thing - not a female thing. I do wish she hadn't used hairspray as her hair was sticky and stiff. Again, not all females are into chemicals on their face and hair. It reminded me too much of what sex would be like with a child. I was never abused as a child, and the thought of doing it with a child now has such a yuck-gross factor. If I were needing to have sex with a woman, physically it would be someone more like Xena.

I'm sure I don't represent all gay guys, but for me most thoughts of sex with a woman strike me as mean and cruel -- not gross. Kind of like beating up someone weaker than you. I tend to think of women as china dolls, crystal glasses, St Thersa or Virgin Mary statues. Something that you would enshrine in a special place, but never soil or abuse. So fucking a woman in my mind sounds like pissing on the Cross or Bible, apple pie, the constitution, motherhood -- because I tend to think of females as being fragile and something that needs protection from nasty men. I cannot fathom a woman wanting a heavier, stronger man banging her like a jack hammer. I tend to think they leave the act exhausted and abused. Where as fucking a big, hairy brute of a man seems like the guy was built for all that weight pressing into his body. That if you hug a bit tight or fuck a bit fast, you won't crack his ribs or his pelvis. Yes I know it is weird, but it is how my mind operates.


All that being said, I think that gay guys that freak out on breasts tend to be exaggerating. Completely flat chests turn me off as that that look is just too is too pedoesque. Most guys are NOT completely flat chested -- especially if they are past childhood or gain weight. Age also has a way of causing some chests to sag a bit. If breasts to a gay guy were so gross, they would have died as infants when they were forced to drink mother's milk. Do straight female doctors or gay male doctors freak out with women exams? Do straight male or lesbian doctors freak out on male exams? Imagine the poor straight male doctor that has to give prostate exams or inspect penises & testicles.

Personally, I think these gay male friends of yours "doth protest too much". I think some of it has to be to balance off the yuck factor that straight males put on the male body. It is a way for gay guys to establish that they are strongly on the gay male 'turf" of sexuality.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Admittedly I'm not a ginormous six-foot, 200 lbs+ type woman, but small statured bodies don't bother me much at all... I love it in fact, as my hands can grab so much more of the yummy!

But I've heard big men say that they were unhappy in Vietnam, Korea, Japan etc because the women were too childlike and it bothered them.

As for leaving the act exhausted and abused-- well, yeah, that's part of the fun!

 

[none2_none2]

Admittedly I'm not a ginormous six-foot, 200 lbs+ type woman, but small statured bodies don't bother me much at all... I love it in fact, as my hands can grab so much more of the yummy!

But I've heard big men say that they were unhappy in Vietnam, Korea, Japan etc because the women were too childlike and it bothered them.

As for leaving the act exhausted and abused-- well, yeah, that's part of the fun!

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Everybody's mind is different. There really isn't any science to my thoughts. If you think about it, women may typically be less strong when it comes to muscle mass and bone density. On the other hand, on averages women live longer, have better immune systems, can put up with carrying and giving birth for 9 months. Specifically on the sex, the vagina functioning as a birth canal is a heck of a lot more rugged than if a rectum tried to do the same thing.


However, we don't see rugged vaginas and weak rectums when we have sex. We see the outside. The smaller the individual (and I don't mean just height but also bone density and muscularity) just seems too weak and too young for a hard banging. While I have seen all kinds of porn -- not just gay porn, when I see the woman getting fucked, I tend to think she is in pain and must be doing it cause she desperately needs the money. I cannot fathom her really enjoying it.

I think there are multiple reasons that I doubt a woman enjoys sex:

1) For one thing, where is the proof? It is hard for a man to fake pain or lack of sexual enjoyment. You always hear that women also have signs of enjoyment, but not being a woman nor much experience with straight sex, I wouldn't much of an idea to go on. You hear the moaning, but then anybody can act by moaning. Just think of Meg Ryan's fake orgasm seen in a restaurant in the movie "Harry meets Sally".

2) My own disinterest in penises
I guess perhaps some of that comes from my own experiences with guys. I never cared for a guy banging my mouth or my ass. It seems SO unnatural to me, that even a lesbian would make a better bottom. Even as a top, I prefer to be more the tortoise than the jack rabbit. I never was good at being a jack hammer. I do speed up for my guy because he says he likes it that way, but I never understood the enjoyment of banging. I don't have the stamina I had years ago, but I still prefer fuck a guy for a long time than fast and furious and have it all over in under 10 minutes of thrusting. I guess I never saw sex as a sprint to the finish line, but rather a marathon with all sorts of hills and valleys to change the speed of pace.

3) So many women in my family who saw sex as an obligation:
My dad's side was very liberal sexually, yet it was still more a matter of "pleasing" your man as to them that is why there are women. My grandmother said that if men didn't get sex on a regular basis they would go crazy, rape, or odd (gay).

My mother's side was very conservative and religious. Sex was required now and then to have kids and to protect the marriage vows.

Though both sides were vastly different, it all kind of boiled down to "doing the nasties" with your man to keep him "down on the farm" to provide for the family and for the glory of God to continue the family line. So the thought of a woman actually ENJOYING sex sounds so foreign.

4) The typical larger size of men that you see. This is what I was talking about before. It is strange that on one hand you always hear that straight women prefer taller, bigger men. I guess it is genetically programed as a way to supposedly have bigger children, a better hunter husband/father, and protection. Lets face it, people get weirded out when the woman is bigger. I mean can any of you even visualize Xena having sex with a small man where his trusting would appear like a squirming child? Some might even laugh at such a thought.

Anyway, for me "doing the nasties" just seems so natural with big, muscular guys. Guys are such sex pigs, that rutting around with them in the mud just seems so natural. What is the bigger turn on for me is when it is the more manly guy is the bottom. It just seems more unexpected and likewise fairer play. That is why almost exclusively in gay porn, I have to have the more "man" of the two being the bottom ( the more muscular of the two, the older of the two [if we are talking young and middle aged), the younger of the two [if one partner is a weaker senior citizen), the harrier of the two [I see hair as typically a sing of more masculine], etc. The only straight porn that turns me on is where the guy is being fucked in the ass by a strap-on.

I know I sound really wierd, but I'll soon be 50, and my tastes have never changed. So I'll go to my grave probably feeling the way I do.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You sound... really weird, yes.

I am reminded of a night when I was riding a gorgeous guy-- a big strong young man. His dick as sinking right in and hitting the spot so well, and I was really loving the hard slap of his pubic bone against my labia. it seemed as if he couldn't hand me anything that i couldn't take, yanno? And then he opened his eyes, and sort of snarled; "take it, bitch!" which was so far from the mark that I started laughing. I said; "You can't hurt me, little boy!" and he was so shocked he missed a stroke.

Seriously, you're thinking about bone density, in the clinch? Women aren't sex pigs? I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise-- you're doing just fine obviously, as a gay man. But-- ROFLMAO!

(for anyone who wants a more-or-less truthful account of a sex pig weekend;
http://stellaomega.com/sparks/the-baronesss-boy/ )

 

[none2_none2]

...Women aren't sex pigs? I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise-- you're doing just fine obviously, as a gay man. But-- ROFLMAO!

From the straight side, I was clueless about females. I was once in a room with a co-ed, who was wearing short pants, scratching her legs, eyes rolling, etc. I told a gay friend about it later, and he told me that she was coming on to me. He tried to explain that most str8 females don't "stare" down and grab your crotch like a gay man will. He explain that women will drop hints and expect you to pick up on them. I was clueless.

As to lesbians, one lesbian once set me straight on the facts of life from the female perspective about 15 to 20 years ago. When I was young & first in the gay world, I had this idea that lesbians mainly settled down for an eternity of cuddling, kissing, writing love sonnets, and singing songs on guitars.

She told me women can be slutty in their own way. She did explain that obviously glory hole sex wasn't a girl thing, but it was more because of the mechanics of anatomy. A tongue and vagina just don't work well between a partition. She said that lesbians can be just as slutty when they meet and take someone home for just the night.

I also remember one of my childhood str8 female friends. She got pregnant twice by the same boyfriend. (She miscarried the first baby.) She told me he forced her against her will. However, looking back on it, there was no one forcing her to date the guy.

As to my perceptions, I do think that I'm not completely alone in them. If you watch to many female oriented shows -- ie Lifetime, you do get a feeling that women tend to get abused and sex is just one way that happens. I will say that living on a farm, I have been a bit more in touch with sexuality in general. While male animals obviously want to fuck, the females have to want it to some degree. (On that subject I will say that I may need to change my views about keeping all the animals. I have WAY too many cocks. A lot of the hens have too few back feathers where the cocks have had their beaks and claws as they climb on board. Those hens look like they have been fucked almost to death. I don't have the heart to butcher cocks, but I've got to sell them or something.)

 

[none2_none2]

Example of why it is so hard to know if women enjoy sex...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nNhOH4Y0bI&feature=related

 

[infinity706]

Example of why it is so hard to know if women enjoy sex...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nNhOH4Y0bI&feature=related

I think the biggest indication could be how many women out there bitch about not getting enough action. There's about as many women as the guys although they're less likely to proclaim it on a public forum due to all the 'horny toads.' They're more likely to ask a friend for advice.

 

[none2_none2]

This seemed appropriate for this thread. Notice: It sounds rather hockey in today's world, so be prepared for something that seems so backwards by today's standards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQtCOXJsmBM&feature=related

 

[Stella_Omega]

Example of why it is so hard to know if women enjoy sex...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nNhOH4Y0bI&feature=related

Well, you could probably vocalise in a diner and convince people you're shooting in your pants, if you wanted to. That's just making noise, which a good actor would be good at doing.

I have participated in several all female gangbangs. Of course, for women, it's all about the bangee-- one woman after another forcing one more orgasm on her-- instead of about the bangers poking their dicks in and cumming. So when they come up we tend to compete with each other for the sling...

 

[infinity706]

This seemed appropriate for this thread. Notice: It sounds rather hockey in today's world, so be prepared for something that seems so backwards by today's standards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQtCOXJsmBM&feature=related

Yeah, and that's the perfect way to get me to roll my eyes at a woman and not even waste my time.

Well, you could probably vocalise in a diner and convince people you're shooting in your pants, if you wanted to. That's just making noise, which a good actor would be good at doing.

I have participated in several all female gangbangs. Of course, for women, it's all about the bangee-- one woman after another forcing one more orgasm on her-- instead of about the bangers poking their dicks in and cumming. So when they come up we tend to compete with each other for the sling...

Yeah, and I haven't even seen any mainstream porn on that or the whole women rubbing their cunts on each other thing. Of course, then, they'd have to budget more for girl on girl porn since the current trend of mostly toy action doesn't pay all that much due to the lack of physical contact. I wonder how much they'd have to pay a straight chick to sit there for an hour, faking tons of orgasms. They'd probably have to get real muff divers and a real bi/lesbian woman to get pleasured. It would be pretty tough to round up enough of them with plastic porno bodies to even get the first video.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yeah, and that's the perfect way to get me to roll my eyes at a woman and not even waste my time.

You kinda had to be there...

Yeah, and I haven't even seen any mainstream porn on that or the whole women rubbing their cunts on each other thing. Of course, then, they'd have to budget more for girl on girl porn since the current trend of mostly toy action doesn't pay all that much due to the lack of physical contact. I wonder how much they'd have to pay a straight chick to sit there for an hour, faking tons of orgasms. They'd probably have to get real muff divers and a real bi/lesbian woman to get pleasured. It would be pretty tough to round up enough of them with plastic porno bodies to even get the first video.

To make a sweeping generalisation, dykes don't do mainstream porn. They don't care abut what hets want to see, they don't care about porn bodies,they care about what they want to see, themselves. If you look for genuine lesbian film, it's out there.

here's one maker;
http://crashpadseries.com/

 

[Etoile]

In what universe do women even "rub their cunts together" anyway? That is a seriously gymnastic move and AFAIK is NOT practiced by most lesbians. Thighs, hips, knees, hands, arms, you can rub and hump those things. But pussy-on-pussy contact is impersonal, complicated, and unwieldy.

Ooooooh I'm not familiar with this Crash Pad thing. My favorite has always been Sugar High Glitter City but I might have to check this out.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Check out the eye candy!
http://crashpadseries.com/wordpress/characters/

 

[emap]

Interesting, I love Briar's hair color, though will take alot of finagling to get a certain someone to agree to pay for the site. He's of the opinion watch the free stuff you find and enjoy me, mostly works though I do sometimes wish he was a woman.

 

[infinity706]

You kinda had to be there... To make a sweeping generalisation, dykes don't do mainstream porn. They don't care abut what hets want to see, they don't care about porn bodies,they care about what they want to see, themselves. If you look for genuine lesbian film, it's out there.

here's one maker;
http://crashpadseries.com/

I know it's out there, but most people don't even know it exists.

In what universe do women even "rub their cunts together" anyway? That is a seriously gymnastic move and AFAIK is NOT practiced by most lesbians. Thighs, hips, knees, hands, arms, you can rub and hump those things. But pussy-on-pussy contact is impersonal, complicated, and unwieldy.

Ooooooh I'm not familiar with this Crash Pad thing. My favorite has always been Sugar High Glitter City but I might have to check this out.

I said "rub their cunts on each other." I was implying exactly what you said about rubbing up against different parts of their partner's body. Of course, some women probably do the pussy on pussy thing, too. Not being a woman, I couldn't really say, but it probably wouldn't be any more difficult than double penetration as far as complication.

 

[John Doe]

In what universe do women even "rub their cunts together" anyway? That is a seriously gymnastic move and AFAIK is NOT practiced by most lesbians. Thighs, hips, knees, hands, arms, you can rub and hump those things. But pussy-on-pussy contact is impersonal, complicated, and unwieldy.

Ooooooh I'm not familiar with this Crash Pad thing. My favorite has always been Sugar High Glitter City but I might have to check this out.

The porn universe. Even there they don't do it much though.

Humping thighs is hot, especially if the girls are wearing stockings. Mmmmm...

Uh, anyway.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Interesting, I love Briar's hair color, though will take alot of finagling to get a certain someone to agree to pay for the site. He's of the opinion watch the free stuff you find and enjoy me, mostly works though I do sometimes wish he was a woman.

I hear you!

I let my subscription lapse. And I want it back. But you know how women are... thirty bucks could be an entire week's groceries...

Briar's hair? naw-- I love her big blue eyes and big, generous mouth. Dallas-- omigod, she makes my teeth itch! Jobe's hot little bod... Princess Donna-- now that's femme!

 

[none2_none2]

I hear you!

I let my subscription lapse. And I want it back. But you know how women are... thirty bucks could be an entire week's groceries...

Briar's hair? naw-- I love her big blue eyes and big, generous mouth. Dallas-- omigod, she makes my teeth itch! Jobe's hot little bod... Princess Donna-- now that's femme!

If I were a match maker for lesbians, I would say that your match (just based on pics) would be Rozin. It is only based on gut feeling -- nothing else.

I thought Julie and/or Legs were kind of nice looking on their primary pic. They have some kind of look in their eyes. I trust that lesbians are somewhat different from str8 guys in that hopefully they don't judge beauty soley on pouting lips, super long fingernails, and large helium balloon looking breasts that defy gravity.

As to the lesbian porn clips, It shocked me how some of it seemed so aggressive. It wasn't S&M, but I figured lesbian sex would be "softer". I figured aggression went against the whole feminist movement of guys being too aggressive towards women. Not that I figured I would see pictures of Cinderella tonguing Princess Leah, but rather just not the rough pounding, several fingers inside activities. I figured if childbirth was painful, so would that kind of sex workout.

I do wonder how the non-gay men of the love-cock-but-really-str8-cause-love-the-feminine-form-not-the-male-form flavor, would react to these films. One thing that it did point out is that there is no "one" female form any more than there is a "one" male form. People are all different -- except of course for identical siblings.

The aggressiveness that I mentioned before caught me off guard rather than finding it revolting. I have to admit that I didn't care for some of the piercings, tattoos, and the shaved heads. I don't care for piercings or tattoos even on guys. As for the close shaved heads, I guess the reason I don't like it is that whenever I see that on women it reminds me of my mother's chemo as well as my visit to Auschwitz with all the hair on display that women there were robbed of. Of course, for women who choose to shave their heads, it isn't permanent.

 

[none2_none2]

I have participated in several all female gangbangs. Of course, for women, it's all about the bangee-- one woman after another forcing one more orgasm on her-- instead of about the bangers poking their dicks in and cumming. So when they come up we tend to compete with each other for the sling...

Yes many gay gangbangs are about gay guys getting off in someon's ass. Realize that part of that is because the mechanics of penises. Dicks pretty much are only good for so long, then they need a rest, or have to call it a night. Not every guy is multi-erections per night and not for a lifetime. Granted, the blue pill has change things quite a bit, but not everybody wants to do drugs -- even the blue pill isn't free.

For myself, I enjoy being inside more than the getting off. In my head, there are multiple levels going on. I'm mesmerized by just seeing my kind of guy having something up his ass. For porn, in the penis/asshole shots I'm staring at the asshole portion of the equation. Just like a str8 guy seeing penis/vagina penetration, is primarily getting off on the vagina part of the equation.

Another bad thing about gay gangbangs, is you can only do so much to a bottom. I don't think most bottoms can take that long a marathon without taking drugs or being really drunk (which neither is a good thing), plus if a guy DOES get off, he may really hate being subjected to sex after that. For some reason, once most guys get off (top and/or bottom), the sexual interest to continue goes down hill or at least needs a break.

 

[Etoile]

I said "rub their cunts on each other." I was implying exactly what you said about rubbing up against different parts of their partner's body. Of course, some women probably do the pussy on pussy thing, too. Not being a woman, I couldn't really say, but it probably wouldn't be any more difficult than double penetration as far as complication.

Oh my, you did say that! I am so used to the cliche of "rubbing pussies" that I just assumed that was what you said.

To get any clit-on-clit action, or anything like that, you basically have to have your heads at opposite ends of the bed, feet in each other's faces, scissored together, and perform some weird gyration normally only seen on National Geographic animal specials. DP is much easier by comparison, everybody's head is at least pointing the same way! It's a bit unwieldy, but much sexier than anonymous pussy grinding. (You can spice it up with toe-sucking, but you can't avoid the fact that actually getting any meaningful contact is going to result in you both landing on the floor with bruises.)

 

[Etoile]

Of the Crash Pad girls and bois, there are LOTS that I wouldn't kick out of bed, but the ones most in line with my preferred "type" are Wings and Dallas. Ray and Chase are also cute in their boi-ish ways. And somehow I find Calisto very attractive too.

My wife looks like none of them though, and yet she is the most beautiful woman in the world to me. I think she is just gorgeous.

Oh, and Rex looks SO MUCH like someone I know that I had to peer at the pix very closely to make sure...