Alright, own up. What did you guys do!?

[Ahren]

Light Ice, I like you, man. You're really smart and if you weren't here I may have gone crazy from being the only sane person around (ironically).

I dunno though. I think you're taking this a bit too seriously this time. I agree with a lot of the things you're saying, but I think some of the accusations are poorly aimed. The thread was to laugh at just how dumb some messages can be and some people can be for thinking they'd work. I don't think it was a serious attempt to condemn anyone, nor were the women trying to play victim. It wasn't so much trashing a person as the message they wrote. You've seen some of the things people get sent. The messages deserve to be laughed at.

Honestly I'm surprised you take offense to it considering some of the public trashing you've done yourself. Not that I don't think it's usually warranted to give someone a slap of reality. I do it, myself.

Are some of the names and actions of the female posters on this forum silly and invite these sorts of messages? Yeah. Should they use the ignore feature? Yeah. They probably do, but then someone else'll come along.

 

[Ahren]

It's a valid comparison. What's the point of Lit at all if female users feel the need to swathe themselves in genderneutral usernames and virtual cyberburhkas to avoid being a target of spam PMers. And it is spam, which should technically not be permitted.

And may I reiterate, I never instigated this whole fucking debate to start with.

I don't think it's valid because inviting someone to send a stupid, anonymous message isn't the same time as someone raping you. A message isn't really harmful, nor is it illegal, nor are these women walking down streets full of pornography stores where you might expect to find such creepers.

I'd say a closer allegory is some woman wearing really tight, revealing clothing in a club with a guy coming up and saying "hey, you got a mirror in your pants cause I can see myself in them!" with them getting offended in return. Yeah that guy was idiotic and rude, but you're certainly inviting that sort of attention.

You're not inviting someone to commit horrible illegal acts, no one is, and anyone who would try to use that reasoning in a court would just vilify them even more.

 

[fuckmeat]

Are some of the names and actions of the female posters on this forum silly and invite these sorts of messages? Yeah. Should they use the ignore feature? Yeah. They probably do, but then someone else'll come along.

Bazinga.

I don't like getting retarded spam messages. I am neither illiterate nor a moron. I'm not the kind of girl who needs to be whistled at and catcalled as she struts past a construction site just to feel validated and attractive. Most girls aren't.

Doesn't matter how many times I hit ignore (and I do) there are always plenty more fucktards in the sea. I could have posted the sick stuff I get sent but I didn't because it wouldn't have been amusing. I don't imagine that every idiot who PMs about how they want to beat and rape me is a danger to me. I know it's just hot air and I treat it as such. There are frequently messages that are just too fucking funny for words though and I thought it would be fun to share anonymous fucktarded PMs here as other subforum communities do.

I really don't get how LI has managed to dream up all manner of other motivations that I must have in posting the fucktard thread. I confess myself genuinely bewildered by his persistence in arguing with me.

 

[fuckmeat]

I don't think it's valid because inviting someone to send a stupid, anonymous message isn't the same time as someone raping you. A message isn't really harmful, nor is it illegal, nor are these women walking down streets full of pornography stores where you might expect to find such creepers.

All I meant was that it's only girls who use gender neutral names and don't use provocative avatars that are spared this crap. By choosing to protray themselves like that, they're stifling themselves in a place where they shouldn't have to, which saddens me.

I'd say a closer allegory is some woman wearing really tight, revealing clothing in a club with a guy coming up and saying "hey, you got a mirror in your pants cause I can see myself in them!" with them getting offended in return. Yeah that guy was idiotic and rude, but you're certainly inviting that sort of attention.

sighs and speaks extra slow

I was referring here to women who opt for gender neutral usernames and avatars. They are therefore not the equivalent of a cocktease in a bar.

 

[fuckmeat]

knocks back some ibuprofen and steps out to make a fresh mug of tea

Good grief. All I ever wanted in the first place was a giggle.

 

[Light Ice]

Plus as you've likely never been on the receiving end of a fire and brimstone judgemental post stalker, again you're pontificating about shit you have zero experience of and perspective on. It's knowing that you're speaking from a stereotypical hetero male point of view that makes your flogging of this topic so obnoxious and ignorant.

But hey, I'm the maso here. Bring it.

I don't like the logical fallacy present here. You're asserting that because I'm a heterosexual male my experiences as a person do not equate to yours, therefore I can't comment intelligently on the topic at all. That would suggest that heterosexual men are incapable of having an opinion that a woman would find valuable and would turn this debate into one over gender.

Which it isn't.

And, while you are certainly an extremely capable intellect and well-spoken woman, you've (perhaps understandably) mistaken my comments as a direct assault on you. I certainly used your name as an example. "fuckmeat" is about as provocative a handle as any that I've seen on the boards and lent itself to my question naturally, but also because your intellect directly contrasts with the image of yourself that you present when you're indulging in the fantasies.

Any reasonable person would understand that fantasy and reality, and the level of respect a human should be treated with, are all separate from one another here.

But there are unreasonable people here and you are -certainly- going to attract more of them given your persona. That may not be preferable or ideal but it is the case.

We've been debating a bit this week and I've used you as a direct example once and came very close to insulting your way of life directly another. My manner in arguments is blunt, forward, and insensitive. All of these things would make it perfectly reasonable for you to find me unpleasant to deal with. You aren't the first. You won't be the last.

However, on my end, I actually think pretty highly of you. I just think your thread, the way you object to its deletion, and the fact you've made a thread about another thread is entirely unnecessary and a bit nutty.

 

[yeishia]

I thought I would post again before this thread disappears

I have noticed one commonality with my fucktard PM’s and wonder if anyone else had noticed?

All of the guys have, unbelievable thick girths and are a whopping 10 inches in length, every last one of them.

A total lack of imagination or knowledge of what a woman really wants.

(This woman anyway, which only proves they do not do their research before they fire off their respective PM’s )

I do understand that a good pounding has its place but what happened to a little subtlety, a little technique, perhaps a lot of foreplay?

Yes I realize many of you will laugh at my comments and that’s fine I am well prepared for it as always *giggles*

If all I want is a mindless tool pushing into me I have a 10 inch dildo that fits the bill, and I am guaranteed to cum too!

A last thought..

This site is a fantasy realm where we all come to fulfill or act out our desires in one way or another, I see nothing wrong in that. Different strokes for different folks! It is sad that some seek only to ridicule that which they fail to comprehend. We all have differing opinions. Who is to say which one is right or wrong?

Its all a matter of perspective, experience and of course practical knowledge.

The only person who should care what floats my metaphorical boat or who should concern themselves with what really matter to is me, is of course myself and the writing partner I am interacting with at that moment.

If he or she makes me believe the content of their words or scenes then it simply means that they are awesome writers who have done their job incredible well.

I thank them for that they brighten my world

I see words and adore it when I can really be a part of what I am reading.


I saw a quote in a siggy yesterday that I loved. "It is ludicrous to judge that which you have never experienced"

I guess that goes along with, Until you have walked a mile in anothers shoes etc.....


Well I am rambling I had better stop.

I plead my antibiotics and cold meds lol

*Hugs to all*

 

[Light Ice]

Light Ice, I like you, man. You're really smart and if you weren't here I may have gone crazy from being the only sane person around (ironically).

I dunno though. I think you're taking this a bit too seriously this time. I agree with a lot of the things you're saying, but I think some of the accusations are poorly aimed. The thread was to laugh at just how dumb some messages can be and some people can be for thinking they'd work. I don't think it was a serious attempt to condemn anyone, nor were the women trying to play victim. It wasn't so much trashing a person as the message they wrote. You've seen some of the things people get sent. The messages deserve to be laughed at.

Honestly I'm surprised you take offense to it considering some of the public trashing you've done yourself. Not that I don't think it's usually warranted to give someone a slap of reality. I do it, myself.

Are some of the names and actions of the female posters on this forum silly and invite these sorts of messages? Yeah. Should they use the ignore feature? Yeah. They probably do, but then someone else'll come along.

I don't take offense to the thread. I imagine, had I, I would have commented on it.

I was annoyed, probably for no great reason, with another thread popping up mourning the old one's death. I don't see how anyone can really give a shit. I don't see how the PMs are really that exciting or obnoxious or annoying. I don't get how it's such a loss considering these people most likely trade the PMs back and forth in messenger, anyway.

They aren't really being told NOT to do anything here. They're just bitching.

In the end my point is? It's a fucking porn board. Stupidity from members, and even moderators, is not going to end.

 

[APassionateFlame]

The thread was just supposed to be a light hearted look at the literary equivalent of 'nice rack' that these guys spam female sounding usernames with.

And also, some of the messages are blatantly sent by creepy guys looking for... ahem... easy meat (pun fully intended).

Some men act positively MEDIEVAL.

I don't really want to get involved in any arguments or debates taking place here about what is right or what is wrong, per my views and upbringing. The fact of the matter is that everybody can talk until their blue in the face - but at the end of the day, every single person on Lit is going to continue to do exactly what they're already doing now - despite how other people feel about it. That's the way of life, and it's not really the place of any single person to tell another person what is right or not right.

+Do I think that some avatars (both those of men and women) are not necessarily ideal? Sure.
+Do I think that there are user names out there that can (and often do, I assume) give the wrong image? Yes

But I'm not going to bitch at you about your choices. I don't really like standing on a soapbox.

However.

I do want to point out that I think it's really frustrating to see people only wanting to rag on men, in general. I'll be honest - it's extremely disheartening to see the women of these boards complaining about the men.

Really? Does calling him a 'caveman' make you feel better about yourself? Does it make you feel like you're the big girl on campus? Not ALL men act like cavemen, just like not all women act like bitches. It's a really unfair assessment. I resent the insinuation that only men can possibly send unwanted PM's and that only men can have the viewpoint that women should perhaps dress more conservatively - or present themselves with more class. That's not something that is limited to just men thinking. And it's not something that automatically insinuates that men or women are medieval or primitive for their way of thinking.

The fact of the matter is - people are going to receive unwanted PM's no matter what your avatar or user name look like. But if a person is a creep (male or female) the likeliness that they're going to go for an avatar of a naked person or a user name that is obviously suggestive, provocative, or flat out lewd is much higher. If you're interested in nothing but sex and being a creep to try and get it - you're going to click the picture of the naked girl/boy before you click the picture of a martini glass, yeah?

Furthermore, I have received far more unwanted and unpleasant PM's from women than I have men. And I'm a woman!

I don't think it's fair to limit your scope of complaining simply to men, when there are plenty of women that send unwanted PM's out there.

In finishing, I suppose I could say that my overall opinion of the idea of a thread simply meant for bitching about or picking on somebody (no matter the person, or what they did to make you think they deserved it) is a really mean-spirited thing to do. And does it really make us any better than bullies when we do something like that?

My two point five cents. And then some.

 

[SoulWeaver]

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Aren't we all missing the point a little?

Surely we're not here to unload our own version of morals on others, isn't this supposed to be a place for fun exploration? If we can't accept others sexual viewpoints from a personal standpoint thent surely we can be intelligent enough to at least ignore them?

The original thread wasn't started to directly expose individuals, just as this one wasn't seriously boo hooing it's demise, lighten up a little. It was a vehicle to vent a little and release some steam. And I do remember posts involving crazy PM comments about and from both sexes.

As for this one crying, hell, I'm pretty sure it was meant as its own little bit of fun too, but that seems to be in fairly short supply around here. In fact it seems quite rare for a thread in here which isn't obviously frivolous, to refrain from sweeping attacks on its own lounge population. Heck, this appears to be a small close group, and it still rips each other - fascinating.

The other thing we might like to remember is something someone reminded me of recently. That's to have some perspective when reading others posts. When we (yes, all of us) make comments, its very rare they are intended to judge a whole group or even single out individuals. So I doubt that while discussion tended naturally to involve crazy PMs from men, that the women were tarring the whole male group with derision. Or vice versa.

Can we lighten up a little, get back to having fun and enjoying this place. When we can't, then surely it's time to move on.


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[Light Ice]

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As for this one crying, hell, I'm pretty sure it was meant as its own little bit of fun too, but that seems to be in fairly short supply around here. In fact it seems quite rare for a thread in here which isn't obviously frivolous, to refrain from sweeping attacks on its own lounge population. Heck, this appears to be a small close group, and it still rips each other - fascinating.

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That's because, while some on this forum claim to OMG LOVE EACH OTHER, the truth is that everyone here is a stranger and nobody actually gives a shit.

 

[Alana_]

That's because, while some on this forum claim to OMG LOVE EACH OTHER, the truth is that everyone here is a stranger and nobody actually gives a shit.

Ah Ice. While ''some'' do gush, it's not fair to bundle us all beneath ''everyone'' and ''nobody'' giving a shit. I do.
And I don't often disagree with you as you well know, but I have to on that one. I don't come here because I don't care.

I come because I like those I interact with, and I do give a shit about them, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But that's irrelevant to the topic.




I have to agree though that it's time to move this one on. It's getting repetitious to say the least.

 

[SoulWeaver]

That's because, while some on this forum claim to OMG LOVE EACH OTHER, the truth is that everyone here is a stranger and nobody actually gives a shit.

Yeah but even if they procliam that, why does that bother so much? If its work for them so what?

Very few of us here will ever meet, or take anything here further than what it is, a bit of mental stimulation and fun. Many, most, don't even want to meet. Some though are very happy to find someone they can flirt online with. Is it love, sometimes sure it is, of a kind.

Even you have to admit though that there can be connections and friendships here, so to say, "no one gives a shit" is just wrong.

 

[Light Ice]

Ah Ice. While ''some'' do gush, it's not fair to bundle us all beneath ''everyone'' and ''nobody'' giving a shit. I do.
And I don't often disagree with you as you well know, but I have to on that one. I don't come here because I don't care.

I come because I like those I interact with, and I do give a shit about them, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But that's irrelevant to the topic.




I have to agree though that it's time to move this one on. It's getting repetitious to say the least.

Fair on all points. I should have taken a lot of this discussion elsewhere, thinking on it. It wasn't my intention to hijack a thread and I'd say most of the debate was done by, or in response, to me.

 

[Ausus_girl13]

*snerk*

This is hilarious.

Sits back and watches

LI babe, I knows that the FM seems like she wouldn't tear you a new one, but a little caution is warranted here. Just thought I'd let you know.

Oh and FM- Light Ice isn't actually that bad, and is decent, not that he would ever let on.

 

[Light Ice]

*snerk*

This is hilarious.

Sits back and watches

LI babe, I knows that the FM seems like she wouldn't tear you a new one, but a little caution is warranted here. Just thought I'd let you know.

Oh and FM- Light Ice isn't actually that bad, and is decent, not that he would ever let on.

Lies.

And on FM, I've respect for her intelligence and persona as it's presented here. I don't think she's the harmless wreck she plays in her roleplays.

 

[yeishia]

I care too perhaps more than I really should.

Let me please clarify I care more than I should about those on Lit in a very general sense. It is my nature to want everyone to be happy and fulfilled. I hate to see those who are obviously sad or in pain. This goes for everyone here, complete strangers and even those who do not like me very much.

Now some on Lit, those who have entered my heart to some special degree, I find I that do indeed care for them very much.

My signature really does indeed say it all *grins*

"Those bound to my heart know who they are, and what they mean."

I rarely change such connections on a whim.

Now if there is a special someone who I have actually named it is my prerogative to do so surely.

 

[Alana_]

Lies.

And on FM, I've respect for her intelligence and persona as it's presented here. I don't think she's the harmless wreck she plays in her roleplays.

It's not lies...You're one of the good guys...and passionate too which is why I like you so much.

As too is the lovely FF, and intentions on both sides weren't bad. Opinions clash and clashed on this subject..Thank God , or it would be a bloody dull board.

 

[Light Ice]

It's not lies...You're one of the good guys...and passionate too which is why I like you so much.

As too is the lovely FF, and intentions on both sides weren't bad. Opinions clash and clashed on this subject..Thank God , or it would be a bloody dull board.

I was going to say thank you, A, and then hush you up.

But for some reason this inspired an overwhelming desire to take you against a wall somewhere. I see a leg curled around my hip and a dress pushed up high.

 

[Alana_]

I was going to say thank you, A, and then hush you up.

But for some reason this inspired an overwhelming desire to take you against a wall somewhere. I see a leg curled around my hip and a dress pushed up high.

LMAO..You Bold Brat!. I try to be a voice of reason and you go do that!!..

 

[Light Ice]

LMAO..You Bold Brat!. I try to be a voice of reason and you go do that!!..

I'm a scoundrel, darlin'.

 

[Annisthyrienne]

I love how, in such a forum as this, the general thrust of the discussion changes so quickly. Merely an hour or so ago, I was planning to post here discussing a certain point of view. Now I come back to this after taking time to carefully consider whether my opinion was valid, or ought to be expressed, and I find the nature of the discussion has changed. I wanted to make sure I wasn't posting in haste, and perhaps saying something better left unsaid. Now I risk being slightly off the mark of the conversational thrust.

But why let that stop me?

I think the reason this thread was becoming so frustrating for some is because the general tone of comments being made seemed to imply that:

1) Because we are identifiably female either due to our avatar or our user name....
2) Because we are listed as 'currently online'.....
3) Because we are here on an erotic site where folks talk about, write about, role play, and are generally oriented towards sex....

....then we are supposed to expect the kind of brainless harrassment that these PMs represent. And further, because there is such a thing as an 'ignore' and a 'report' function, it seems apparently that we females are just supposed to accept this sort of thing. And those making this sort of argument cannot understand why we fail to see the logic of it, since its only a PM and no real harm has been done.

You're absolutely right....from a logical point of view. But you forget the number one thing to keep in mind when dealing with females: to paraphrase a pop culture soundbite from a few years ago--It's the emotions, stupid!

That's right, guys. It's not about logic for us. Your logic arguments are spot on, every point you make is valid. But for us, that is not what this is about. What it is about, so you don't have to wonder, is emotions. It's about how we feel about the necessity to take precautions that you guys don't have to take, to put up with stuff that you may not have to put up with, and to generally be treated as something less than a person with feelings, and more like a walking life support system for a vagina and a set of boobs, and through all of that, to then be told that we shouldn't feel the way we do because it isn't logical.

You missed the point of the comments here, and the point of the other thread too, apparently. And as long as you think we will be persuaded by your infallible logic, you will still miss the point. We are venting. We only want you to know how we feel about this topic. We feel it is unfair. We feel it is unwelcome, sometimes pathetically comical, sometimes patently offensive, and usually just tiresome.

And when you tirelessly try to make us see the logic of your points--again, all valid, perhaps--we feel like you aren't listening, like you just don't get it. We feel like you are being patronizing and insensitive. We feel frustrated!

I guess there isn't any real animosity here, at least not on my part towards any of you, male or female. But there is a sense of underlying frustration perhaps.

And yes, the perpetrators of the 'fishing' PMs ar not always men. I got one on my inbox earlier today from someone who claimed, at least, to be female. And guys, you would be so proud of me! I deleted it without reply or comment.

Now, more to the change in direction of the conversation, as someone relatively new in participating in the lounge threads, I do notice the same names posting in many of the threads, and I'm getting the sense that there is a tight core group that exists here. I assume that you are all on relatively friendly terms, and it would be a shame for a conversation to get so heated as to render those friendships asunder. Since I hope to become more a part of this 'group of friends', I'd hate to see it turn unfriendly through personal animosities.

 

[Alana_]

I'm a scoundrel, darlin'.

Uh huh..that you are L.

 

[Light Ice]

You're absolutely right....from a logiccal point of view. But you forget the number one thing to keep in mind when dealing with females: to paraphrase a pop culture soundbite from a few years ago--It's the emotions, stupid!

That's right, guys. It's not about logic for us. Your logic arguments are spot on, every point you make is valid. But for us, that is not what this is about. What it is about, so you don't have to wonder, is emotions. It's about how we feel about the necessity to take precautions that you guys don't have to take, to put up with stuff that you may not have to put up with, and to generally be treated as something less than a person with feelings, and more like a walking life support system for a vagina and a set of boobs, and through all of that, to the be told that we shouldn't feel the way we do because it isn't logical.

I don't believe any of this at all. Women have the same potential to behave logically, rather than emotionally, that men do.

 

[grant_s]

I care too perhaps more than I really should.

Let me please clarify I care more than I should about those on Lit in a very general sense. It is my nature to want everyone to be happy and fulfilled. I hate to see those who are obviously sad or in pain. This goes for everyone here, complete strangers and even those who do not like me very much.

Now some on Lit, those who have entered my heart to some special degree, I find I that do indeed care for them very much.

My signature really does indeed say it all *grins*

"Those bound to my heart know who they are, and what they mean."

I rarely change such connections on a whim.

Now if there is a special someone who I have actually named it is my prerogative to do so surely.

Awww hugs you, but hey wait, your names in my signature too how did that happen