Ask The Master

[rosco rathbone]

My advice to newbies would be, beware the "master" who sets himself up as the be-all and end-all of masters. Do your homework, read in the Library, read on other sites, be patient, let other SUBMISSIVES mentor you, and most of all, be wary of those who sound to good to be true. They often are.

Newbies, take what you can use from each and every thread, and throw the rest on the trash heap.

~anelize

The first part of this is on the money. New submissives should definitely avail themselves of the opportunitiesof this inter net to learn all they can. However, Annallize is out of line when she suggests that submissives can"mentor" each other. This stems from a total misapprehension of the meaning of the concept of mentory.

One subbie can no more mentor another than one child can parent another. A mentor is a master who takes responsibility for steering the choices of the sub in his care; for instance in her search for a dominant master. Another sub. by definition, cannot make the judgements neccesary here.

Let me put it like this: a sub trying to mentor another is like a boxcar baby trying to parent another boxcar baby. Two kids huddling together in a cold boxcar in a siding somewhere in the cold. And there are wolves gathering outside....or as I call them wolves in doms clothing.

One sub trying to mentor another is like one clam trying to help one oyster across the beach, when they have both lost their shells and the hungry sea gulls are swooping.

By all means, submissives, share your experiences and feelings with each other , but NEVER make the mistake of thinking that you are qualified to do a Master and a Mentor's job.

 

[the shadow of a boy]

And Limbhugger, you especially have to make sure to avoid what us doms call Clams in Subs Clothing. Sure, they mean well, but they don't really know what they're getting you into. And nine times out of ten, a sea gull is going to swoop down and go for that tender little oyster instead of that yucky old clam.

(" 'Who's Batman?', you ask? I don't care who Batman is. I'm Robin.")

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

The first part of this is on the money. New submissives should definitely avail themselves of the opportunitiesof this inter net to learn all they can. However, Annallize is out of line when she suggests that submissives can"mentor" each other. This stems from a total misapprehension of the meaning of the concept of mentory.

One subbie can no more mentor another than one child can parent another. A mentor is a master who takes responsibility for steering the choices of the sub in his care; for instance in her search for a dominant master. Another sub. by definition, cannot make the judgements neccesary here.

Let me put it like this: a sub trying to mentor another is like a boxcar baby trying to parent another boxcar baby. Two kids huddling together in a cold boxcar in a siding somewhere in the cold. And there are wolves gathering outside....or as I call them wolves in doms clothing.

One sub trying to mentor another is like one clam trying to help one oyster across the beach, when they have both lost their shells and the hungry sea gulls are swooping.

By all means, submissives, share your experiences and feelings with each other , but NEVER make the mistake of thinking that you are qualified to do a Master and a Mentor's job.

Rosco, to put it bluntly, you are full of shit, and this ridiculous post clearly shows how absolutely inexperienced you really are, and after a moment's thought, I have to conclude that you have no realtime experience whatsoever.

Another option would be that your vanity thread is dead and you've posted this piece of shit to get a rise out of people like me.

Either way, I have decided that I'm not going to rise to the bait any longer.

Denizens of Lit? Newbies? Read this crap at your own risk. Do your homework and do some research. I'd take anything he posts with a whole semi-load of salt.

Submissives, by the way, aren't babies, who need you to help them grow up. We are strong, smart, intelligent adults. Of course, I doubt very seriously, you could handle one of that ilk.

What a putz.

~anelize

 

[tenacious_rebel]

Rosco, to put it bluntly, you are full of shit, and this ridiculous post clearly shows how absolutely inexperienced you really are, and after a moment's thought, I have to conclude that you have no realtime experience whatsoever.

~anelize

This might explain why RR, who I gather from postings on the board no-one has ever met or spoken to in realtime, is using this thread to try and discredit and abuse posters who are known to others, and have realtime experience of living in this lifestyle 24/7. Could it be RR is a little jealous, or maybe just getting old and grumpy in his frustration? Could he be hoping to snare some poor unsuspecting soul as a last ditch effort to let loose his floundering dominant fantasies on?

 

[Netzach]

I'll up Anelize a semi load of salt. And I'll mention that if the submissives in question are all that adult and capable, this won't pass their smell test, will it?

FWIW, RR is the only poster here who can attest to the fact that M and I are not holograms or 60 year old men.

 

[lark sparrow]

Let me put it like this: a sub trying to mentor another is like a boxcar baby trying to parent another boxcar baby. Two kids huddling together in a cold boxcar in a siding somewhere in the cold. And there are wolves gathering outside....or as I call them wolves in doms clothing.

One sub trying to mentor another is like one clam trying to help one oyster across the beach, when they have both lost their shells and the hungry sea gulls are swooping.

Your 500+ "troll" posts at Topopolis didn't make giggle, but this is hilarious!

Let me put it like this: It's like a boxcar trying to pull a train... while the lambs gather to dine on wolf outside, and the children whine for a bedtime story of the little steam engine who could.

It is like a shell without the oyster or clam... no pearls of wisdom unless stolen and regurgitated, and the seagulls are eating junkfood at the fair.

 

[Etoile]

I still don't understand why this thread can't be for all our dominant posters...back to the "Ask The Master" vs. "Ask A Master" thing. Why is rr better equipped than others to answer questions? If he is, fine, I just don't get why everybody has to quibble about the fact that he's answering questions, when really a thread where all could ask and answer would be welcome.

Also, rr, are you accepting questions from new doms who need to talk to an experienced master, or only from subs?

 

[Pure]

Anelize said,

Denizens of Lit? Newbies? Read this crap at your own risk. Do your homework and do some research. I'd take anything he posts with a whole semi-load of salt.

Submissives, by the way, aren't babies, who need you to help them grow up. We are strong, smart, intelligent adults.

Along the lines of Anelize, new folks should read all threads with lots of 'salt', and ponder what they read.

As a more solitary soul, rr is very likely--as Anelize would be the first to say--unfamiliar with the latest 'in your face' subbing.

Or the national 'sub pride' crusade.

New ones should consult the thriving organizations, like the
Movement Of Natural Subs,

especially the handbook,
Voluptuous Experiences,Needs,& Essential Rights In Scening.
(c) 2001.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I still don't understand why this thread can't be for all our dominant posters...back to the "Ask The Master" vs. "Ask A Master" thing. Why is rr better equipped than others to answer questions? If he is, fine, I just don't get why everybody has to quibble about the fact that he's answering questions, when really a thread where all could ask and answer would be welcome.

Also, rr, are you accepting questions from new doms who need to talk to an experienced master, or only from subs?

Maybe he doesn't want conflicting viewpoints?(which is a sure sign of a predator, IMO)

 

[rosco rathbone]

I still don't understand why this thread can't be for all our dominant posters...back to the "Ask The Master" vs. "Ask A Master" thing. Why is rr better equipped than others to answer questions? If he is, fine, I just don't get why everybody has to quibble about the fact that he's answering questions, when really a thread where all could ask and answer would be welcome.

Also, rr, are you accepting questions from new doms who need to talk to an experienced master, or only from subs?

Well, etoile, I'd prefer this thread to be mine so that new submissives can get a focused outlook from one experienced master--also, we doms are notorious for big egos and being control freaks and I want it all to myself!!! After all, any other masters if there be such here are free to start their own threads. On the other hand; there's nothing I can do if Tom Dom and his friends Dick and Harry want to poke their heads in here and kibbitz. I will of course be commenting on their comments.

edited to say: and yes, if any young men (or women) who think they have the right stuff would like to ask questions, I will do my best to steer them true).

 

[rosco rathbone]

Maybe he doesn't want conflicting viewpoints?(which is a sure sign of a predator, IMO)

Right you are on your predatorial signs, Johnny...however; I don't have any control over who says what here; other than the power to comment and make the most of my expereince and the things I have seen and to try to steer new submissives in the righ direction.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Anelize said,

Denizens of Lit? Newbies? Read this crap at your own risk. Do your homework and do some research. I'd take anything he posts with a whole semi-load of salt.

Submissives, by the way, aren't babies, who need you to help them grow up. We are strong, smart, intelligent adults.

Along the lines of Anelize, new folks should read all threads with lots of 'salt', and ponder what they read.

As a more solitary soul, rr is very likely--as Anelize would be the first to say--unfamiliar with the latest 'in your face' subbing.

Or the national 'sub pride' crusade.

New ones should consult the thriving organizations, like the
Movement Of Natural Subs,

especially the handbook,
Voluptuous Experiences, Needs, & Essential Rights In Scening.
(c) 2001.

Au contraire, Pure. I like feisty subs with Annelize's character. The fact that she doesn't know what she is talking about (and can't be blamed for it...how would she know the ways of a Master as a submissive??) doesn't detract from her charm. Hopefully she has a Dominant who knows how to command, "claws in , cat!".

Pure, submissives are basically children who have never grown up. They sometimes function well in the world (although often not--more on this anon), but they are almost always distinguished by a lack of control over deep feelings. These same feelings, stirred by false masters, can rise up and destroy them--I've seen it happen with my own eyes, time and time again. Note that it is this same control...over his OWN feelings...which is the hallmark of the master. I've said it again and I'll say it before: You can never control another....until you can control yourself.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Your 500+ "troll" posts at Topopolis didn't make giggle, but this is hilarious!

Let me put it like this: It's like a boxcar trying to pull a train... while the lambs gather to dine on wolf outside, and the children whine for a bedtime story of the little steam engine who could.

It is like a shell without the oyster or clam... no pearls of wisdom unless stolen and regurgitated, and the seagulls are eating junkfood at the fair.

Guilty as charged on mixed metaphors lark, however, my pearls of wisdom were earned at a high cost over ten plus years of mastery and nearly eight more before that of dominance (although not total power exchange).

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'll up Anelize a semi load of salt. And I'll mention that if the submissives in question are all that adult and capable, this won't pass their smell test, will it?

FWIW, RR is the only poster here who can attest to the fact that M and I are not holograms or 60 year old men.

And I am a handsome, international bastard, am I not, Netz?


(She and her boy toy are adorable!)

 

[rosco rathbone]

Rosco, to put it bluntly, you are full of shit, and this ridiculous post clearly shows how absolutely inexperienced you really are, and after a moment's thought, I have to conclude that you have no realtime experience whatsoever.

Another option would be that your vanity thread is dead and you've posted this piece of shit to get a rise out of people like me.

Either way, I have decided that I'm not going to rise to the bait any longer.

Denizens of Lit? Newbies? Read this crap at your own risk. Do your homework and do some research. I'd take anything he posts with a whole semi-load of salt.

Submissives, by the way, aren't babies, who need you to help them grow up. We are strong, smart, intelligent adults. Of course, I doubt very seriously, you could handle one of that ilk.

What a putz.

~anelize

ANnelize, I'd like to caution you not to pretend as if you know more than you do. Banter is all well and good, but all kidding aside, this is serious business. A lot of submissives have been hurt physically, mentally, emotionally and financially because they fell in with the wrong "dom". You probably know a few yourself, if you think about it. What I am trying to do here is to offer a Master's viewpoint, easily and freely availible to any young subs. Your attitude does you no credit whatever.

Let me try another of my goofy metaphors. It's as if I (a new submisive) had a pain in my belly. I consult you (a more experienced sub), because you have also had a pain. We commiserate. It could be gas. It could be appendicitis or a kidney stone or and ulcer. So far so good. You might even steer me to a good doctor (a Master for the purposes of this metaphor). He would then diagnose and take approriate action (mentory). However you WOULD NOT and COULD NOT grab a scalpel and open me up yourself....that would be heinous irresponsibility. Capice?

By the way, I fully encourage all submissives to check any advice given here against the information given on line, or in the experience of others; (thus putting paid to johnny's claims of prdatory intent)...just make sure you check back here so that we be positive that you haven't absorbed any wrongheaded ideas. (And they are out there, oh boy.)

rosco

 

[catalina_francisco]

I have figured it out this is the only thing possible.
No man can be as ignorant and stupid as portrayed by RR, so this means that RR has to be a woman showing how stupid men really are.

RR is in reality Lark Sparrow.

Francisco.
.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I have figured it out this is the only thing possible.
No man can be as ignorant and stupid as portrayed by RR, so this means that RR has to be a woman showing how stupid men really are.

RR is in reality Lark Sparrow.

Francisco.
.

She wishes!

 

[rosco rathbone]

umm... i gotst another question, as i mentioned in my post above i am currently without a dom, but i am looking for 1, where should i post that? does anybody actually read those personal section things? and would anybody actually pay attention to me, having only 2 posts...

Sorry, my friend. Your question got overlooked in the shuffle.

Don't be afraid to post in these threads and get to meet people. There are actually some decent folk here; and some experienced lifestylers...and they aren't always the people you think they are! Other subs can share the things they've learned with you and meeting them will definitely make you feel less alone. You can chat with some of those who identify themselves as dominant with out committing to anything. There's nothing wrong in a little harmless flirting; but if you notice that your feelings are getting stirred up by any interactions you have, that is a sure sign that your "sub buttons" are being pushed. You should either post about it here; and we'll deal with it openly, or you can PM me.


rr

 

[CharleyH]

I have figured it out this is the only thing possible.
No man can be as ignorant and stupid as portrayed by RR, so this means that RR has to be a woman showing how stupid men really are.

RR is in reality Lark Sparrow.

Francisco.
.

Can't stop laughing now - laughing before at RR, who KNOWS his/her - her/his PLACE.

But wow Francisco, this was a line I will remember always. Shit, still smiling and laughing.

Thank you - lol with you still.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Can't stop laughing now - laughing before at RR, who KNOWS his/her - her/his PLACE.

But wow Francisco, this was a line I will remember always. Shit, still smiling and laughing.

Thank you - lol with you still.

There are strange things in this world, unexplained phenomena and dark things crawling in the darkness.

You never know it might be true, I might have just discovered the biggest secret on Literotica

Francisco.

 

[rosco rathbone]

When I was in school training to be a social worker; I had an oportunity to spend some time in various 12 step programs as part of a course on addiction.

They have a phrase that has haunted me ever since: jails, institutions and death.

Jails, institutions and death. These are the three things I think about when I try to give my best advice to one of the submissive kids I mentor. So many times; the natural (and or nurtural) wiring of a submissive woman, combined with the cruel shocks of abuse and the lack of acceptance that the world has for those that mustserve...leads to breakdowns, madness, drugs and alcohol addiction, co-dependent relationships with violent, irresponsible and dangerous men.

I wish that I could have been there for all of them. I think a lot of dominants must feel the same way. It's probably just the natural extension of the need to nurture and protect that makes us what we are.

I have seen a beautiful teenage mother, a full-blood Mohawk Indian who looked like an Aztec princess, jailed for bad check writing and fraud at the behest of a supposed master, and her two beautiful children taken from her by the state. Of course, the so called master was no where to found.

I have seen one of the smartest, most vibrant women I have ever met...a brilliant Egyptologist and independent fillmmaker, hospitalized, a multiple suicide attempter, as a result of emotional trauma suffered at the hands of a violent and immature man. These are the things you see when you have been on the scene for nearly 20 years.

I have seen women reduced to alcoholism and drugs addiction...not because they could no longer bear the strain of assuming a stance in the world that they were fundamentally incapable of...a stance forced upon them by the neccesity of survival, of feeding their children, making a living...but because after somehow adopting themselves to this contortion of their being---"I must always be strong, I must always be in control, no one is here to do this for me"---they meet some fucking scumbag who, in order to satisfy his own desires, promises them the world and then lets them down. I have seen this. I wish I could be there for all of them.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

There are strange things in this world, unexplained phenomena and dark things crawling in the darkness.

You never know it might be true, I might have just discovered the biggest secret on Literotica

Francisco.

You go, big bro!

 

[lark sparrow]

I have figured it out this is the only thing possible.
No man can be as ignorant and stupid as portrayed by RR, so this means that RR has to be a woman showing how stupid men really are.

RR is in reality Lark Sparrow.

Francisco.
.

lol Stupid people need no help in stupidity, Francisco.... sometimes it's the smart ones carried away by their imagination that truly need it. Trust me, I have better things to do than play rosco - I hope others do as well, rosco himself excluded.

 

[sigsauerprinces]

Sorry, my friend. Your question got overlooked in the shuffle.

Don't be afraid to post in these threads and get to meet people. There are actually some decent folk here; and some experienced lifestylers...and they aren't always the people you think they are! Other subs can share the things they've learned with you and meeting them will definitely make you feel less alone. You can chat with some of those who identify themselves as dominant with out committing to anything. There's nothing wrong in a little harmless flirting; but if you notice that your feelings are getting stirred up by any interactions you have, that is a sure sign that your "sub buttons" are being pushed. You should either post about it here; and we'll deal with it openly, or you can PM me.


rr

why is it bad for her to flirt with someone who pushes her sub buttons?

 

[ownedsubgal]

no questions for "the Master", i just wanted to make two comments:

1. Rosco, i dig your avatars ; and
2. i agree with your point about a submissive not necessarily being appropriate to mentor another submissive. for one, all submissives are unique, and with one submissive mentoring another, there is a risk, however unintentional, of the mentor submissive pushing their own unique brand of submission on the mentee. but more worrisome than that, imo, is that the position of mentor is a Dominant position...a mentor advises, leads. a mentee listens, learns, looks up to the mentor for guidance. a D/s relationship in itself, basically. and personally i do not see how that can happen successfully or sincerely between two actual submissives. now a learning submissive having a submissive friend, someone to talk with who can understand and relate, i think that is a wonderful thing. but when it comes to one's mentor, i personally don't feel another submissive would be best. but hey, everyone's different. *shrug*