Being a woman in geek culture

[satindesire]

Exactly. Take care of ourselves first and foremost; getting us stressed and frazzled is exactly what they want.

Besides, nobody said that we had to bend over backwards to try and convince every individual dude that comes waltzing in here. Pretty sure we're allowed to use our discretion there.

I actually get this a lot when I talk about feminism in other places on the internet. I get a lot of guys saying "Well prove to me that misogyny is commonplace and culturally accepted in today's world. Prove to me that Rape Culture is real, prove to me that sexism exists."

How do I do that? I live that world every day. I see it everywhere, in all the media I consume, in many websites I visit, in interactions with other people while I go about my day. I don't know how to point out the obvious. Maybe I'm just not getting it, but HOW DO YOU PROVE sexism?

Talking to a friend about these things, and she said "Do you read Zoe's blog?" So, now I do, and you can too; http://wolverina.net/

And now I want to read this author on account of her rec; http://wolverina.net/2013/08/22/worst-book-cover/

Ooo, thank you for the Head's up, this looks just like my style!

Here's an article I think might interest the gamer geeks in here:

http://feminspire.com/women-soldiers-added-to-call-of-duty-but-what-took-so-long/

--"In the world of first-person shooters, your avatar is but a blip of your personality with a name hovering above your head. For the few minutes you’re alive and fighting, your appearance is often inconsequential except to differentiate you from the teeming masses aiming to annihilate you. And yet our culture is such that we enjoy the ability to set ourselves apart and sometimes represent ourselves in our hobbies. It’s easy, then, for the industry standard target audience (white, male) to take advantage of the presence of virtual representation while women and minorities are often left wanting. It’s comforting notion when the gender option is available, and more than a little despairing when intentionally overlooked."

 

[Primalex]

I don't know how to point out the obvious.

You can feel the wind on your skin and you can see the leaves shaking. It's therefore obvious that wind is caused by shaking leaves and I don't need to proof this, as everyone can see and feel this every day.

 

[Recidiva]

You can feel the wind on your skin and you can see the leaves shaking. It's therefore obvious that wind is caused by shaking leaves and I don't need to proof this, as everyone can see and feel this every day.

You can also see the sun go around the earth and know that the sun is going around the earth and still be wrong.

Correlation is not causation.

 

[Primalex]

You can also see the sun go around the earth and know that the sun is going around the earth and still be wrong.

Correlation is not causation.

Were you worried that she didn't get it with my example?

 

[Recidiva]

Were you worried that she didn't get it with my example?

Just pointing out consistent errors in logic as a friendly service.

 

[Recidiva]

Wrong thread, wrong post, deleted, sorry!

 

[Primalex]

Just pointing out consistent errors in logic as a friendly service.

It's really great that you've seen in my example of a logical error the logical error. I'm proud of you.

It would have been better though if you would have spend a second prior replying and asked yourself the question:"Does Primalex really think that wind is created by leaves or does he point out the flaws of satindesires 'I've seen something, therefore x is obvious!'"?

 

[Recidiva]

It's really great that you've seen in my example of a logical error the logical error. I'm proud of you.

It would have been better though if you would have spend a second prior replying and asked yourself the question:"Does Primalex really think that wind is created by leaves or does he point out the flaws of satindesires 'I've seen something, therefore x is obvious!'"?

I didn't really think that far. I just want to preserve the spirit of not feeding the troll with a little comedy.

I shall go back to not feeding the troll anything but helpful tips about science and logic as needed.

 

[Primalex]

I didn't really think that far. I just want to preserve the spirit of not feeding the troll with a little comedy.

I shall go back to not feeding the troll anything but helpful tips about science and logic as needed.

The troll will call you if you should ever be able to have a helpful tip about science and/or logic.

 

[Recidiva]

Loss to the Skeptical community.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/w...erstition-indian-paid-with-his-life.html?_r=0

Narendra Dabholkar, an Indian skeptical activist lobbying for limits on the use of Black Magic...shot to death by two men.

Huge loss, I've been rooting for this man for a good long while.

 

[KoPilot]

I actually get this a lot when I talk about feminism in other places on the internet. I get a lot of guys saying "Well prove to me that misogyny is commonplace and culturally accepted in today's world. Prove to me that Rape Culture is real, prove to me that sexism exists."

How do I do that? I live that world every day. I see it everywhere, in all the media I consume, in many websites I visit, in interactions with other people while I go about my day. I don't know how to point out the obvious. Maybe I'm just not getting it, but HOW DO YOU PROVE sexism?

I just think of it as them being so full of themselves that they think they're the linchpin of the success of women's rights.

And yeah, it ain't easy being a fish, trying to explain to another fish that he's breathing water. It takes a lot for me to thonk about engaging somebody on these sorts of issues, man or woman; otherwise I'm happy to talk at or past them. I figure that most people are more interested in arguing and "adding epicycles" that they are in actually engaging me. Lets face it; how many people are willing to hold up to reevaluation and scrutiny their dearly held beliefs about how the world works once, let alone regularly? That's just too darn scary, especially if you're at the top and life is good. Those folks are generally excellent gaslighters and not worth engaging.

 

[KoPilot]

Loss to the Skeptical community.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/w...erstition-indian-paid-with-his-life.html?_r=0

Narendra Dabholkar, an Indian skeptical activist lobbying for limits on the use of Black Magic...shot to death by two men.

Huge loss, I've been rooting for this man for a good long while.

Not a skeptic (or at least, you know, capital S Atheist Skeptic, because I still believe in the integrity of the word divorced from its rather ideological connotations), so I can't really condone the idea of banning religious practices... Like at all. I would think that the man would be more interested in tightening laws on fraud or somesuch, but I'm not going to claim to know the intimate details of India's religio-political climate. It's always a shame when someone doing mostly good work is assassinated.

 

[Recidiva]

Not a skeptic (or at least, you know, capital S Atheist Skeptic, because I still believe in the integrity of the word divorced from its rather ideological connotations), so I can't really condone the idea of banning religious practices... Like at all. I would think that the man would be more interested in tightening laws on fraud or somesuch, but I'm not going to claim to know the intimate details of India's religio-political climate. It's always a shame when someone doing mostly good work is assassinated.

I don't think you should stop someone from practicing their religion (I'm agnostic, not atheist) but I do think you should stop people from victimizing people and profiting off their fear. Such as selling charms with concrete promises of fortune or warding or holding ceremonies to relieve someone of demons.

This man was opposing the law that in India means if you "insult someone's religions sensibilities" you can be arrested and jailed without appeal or bail, held for months with no recourse.

 

[KoPilot]

I don't think you should stop someone from practicing their religion (I'm agnostic, not atheist) but I do think you should stop people from victimizing people and profiting off their fear. Such as selling charms with concrete promises of fortune or warding or holding ceremonies to relieve someone of demons.

This man was opposing the law that in India means if you "insult someone's religions sensibilities" you can be arrested and jailed without appeal or bail, held for months with no recourse.

Ah, see the article made mo mention of that.

 

[KoPilot]

Proper response to "you fight like a girl":

http://thecsph.tumblr.com/post/59308658808/themajesticmountainscold-moffats-army

 

[Recidiva]

Proper response to "you fight like a girl":

http://thecsph.tumblr.com/post/59308658808/themajesticmountainscold-moffats-army

Ohhhh...that is awesome...and I knew every single one of those women.

 

[satindesire]

I just think of it as them being so full of themselves that they think they're the linchpin of the success of women's rights.

And yeah, it ain't easy being a fish, trying to explain to another fish that he's breathing water. It takes a lot for me to thonk about engaging somebody on these sorts of issues, man or woman; otherwise I'm happy to talk at or past them. I figure that most people are more interested in arguing and "adding epicycles" that they are in actually engaging me. Lets face it; how many people are willing to hold up to reevaluation and scrutiny their dearly held beliefs about how the world works once, let alone regularly? That's just too darn scary, especially if you're at the top and life is good. Those folks are generally excellent gaslighters and not worth engaging.

"You're overreacting. It's not like women are getting paid less, used as sexual objects to sell commercial goods, raped, and have their reproductive organs policed by the religious right!"

Proper response to "you fight like a girl":

http://thecsph.tumblr.com/post/59308658808/themajesticmountainscold-moffats-army

Brilliant!

 

[Keroin]

Scalzi

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/to-the-dudebro-who-thinks-hes-insulting-me-by-calling-me-a-feminist/

 

[satindesire]

Scalzi

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/to-the-dudebro-who-thinks-hes-insulting-me-by-calling-me-a-feminist/

I got this on my Facebook feed today. AMAZING ARTICLE.

"Look, I don’t want to tell you your job, but you’ve got a slightly chubby, slightly balding middle-aged dude in a mint green regency dress here. There is so much to work with. That all you’ve managed is “Hurrrrr hurrrr feeeeeemineeeeeest hurrr” is not just disappointing, it’s a waste of awesomely good meme material. If you can’t do better, dude, you might as well turn in your Reddit membership right now.

But I know, little dudebro. I know. In your world, calling another dude a feminist is the worst possible thing you can do."

I died. He's as sharp as a tack, and I love that!

 

[KoPilot]

Being a food geek, and someone that sometimes can't muster the energy to go eat because of depression and all that fun stuff, this really caught my eye: http://www.cookingfor20.com/2013/06/18/hacker-school-soylent-recipe/

It's certainly better than reaching for the white, processed bread just to fill up! (Not that I can even eat that much wheat anymore anyways.)

 

[Stella_Omega]

Being a food geek, and someone that sometimes can't muster the energy to go eat because of depression and all that fun stuff, this really caught my eye: http://www.cookingfor20.com/2013/06/18/hacker-school-soylent-recipe/

It's certainly better than reaching for the white, processed bread just to fill up! (Not that I can even eat that much wheat anymore anyways.)

yeah, no wheat is good.

 

[midwestyankee]

"Oh, look! It's raining you."

Happened to catch this episode of The Big Bang Theory last night and thought the denizens of this thread might enjoy the chuckle. Penny kills Sheldon in Halo.

 

[KoPilot]

Happened to catch this episode of The Big Bang Theory last night and thought the denizens of this thread might enjoy the chuckle. Penny kills Sheldon in Halo.

You know, I really wanted to like that show, and I'm sure that there are a few gems to be found in there... but every time I tuned in I felt like I was being laughed at twice: first for being a geek (the show is made by someone that doesn't actually like us), and second for being female-bodied.

I'm sure it's a good clip though.

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This came across my tumblr dash yesterday:

 

[Keroin]

HOLY CRAP AM I HAVING FUN AT WORLDCON!!!

Deets to follow.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

You know, I really wanted to like that show, and I'm sure that there are a few gems to be found in there... but every time I tuned in I felt like I was being laughed at twice: first for being a geek (the show is made by someone that doesn't actually like us), and second for being female-bodied.

I'm sure it's a good clip though....

I'm not sure where I heard/read it, but it's my recollection that until the Amy Farrah Fowler character (Mayim Hoya Bialik) came into the cast, Penny (Kaley Cuoco) was the biggest real-life geek in the cast. According to Wikipedia, "She earned degrees in neuroscience, Hebrew and Jewish studies, and went on to the PhD program in neuroscience. She took a break from studies in 2005 to return to acting. Bialik completed her PhD in 2007. Her dissertation was an investigation of hypothalamic activity in patients with Prader–Willi syndrome."