Biden to Propose New Minimum Tax on Wealthiest Americans

[coati]

"fair share" clearly meaning whatever WillJ's fee fees demand.



To anyone who pays into the system.

The point of taxation is to pay for the needs of the nation, not to satiate the chimp rage of the lefts wealth envy.

Doing so fairly would mean everyone chipping in the same percentage of their income, not punishing your betters because that feels good to you.



And you still have never answered what is wrong with productive people getting to keep more of their money??

You've always operated on the ASSUMPTION that it's a good thing to tear down and punish anyone doing any better than you.

Basic chimp rage.... wealth envy..... pathetic as ever Rob.

^^^So, BoBo returns as a virgin, after being banned for the umpteenth time.

 

[pecksniff]

The point of taxation is to pay for the needs of the nation, not to satiate the chimp rage of the lefts wealth envy.

The point of taxation is whatever we decide it should be.

 

[Gorgoroth]

The rich need to pay more taxes because they consume more resources.

Consumption/use tax takes care of that. No need for an imaginary wealth tax to hose the rich.

Just be honest and admit you want to hose the rich because of your basic chimp rage and wealth envy.

 

[Gorgoroth]

^^^So, BoBo returns as a virgin, after being banned for the umpteenth time.

Awwww Comrade Coati still upset not everyone is as enthusiastic for communism and totalitarianism as he is....WAHHH..

The point of taxation is whatever we decide it should be.

No, it's whatever the law says it is.

What you're doing KO is making taxation about equity..... it makes you mad that others have more than you.

Basic chimp rage. If it were about anything else you wouldn't be pushing to destroy those with more than you, simply because they have more than you and you don't know how to get more of your own.

 

[butters]

^^^So, BoBo returns as a virgin, after being banned for the umpteenth time.

again? wtf, has he no impulse control or is it all that chimp rage he's tossing about?

 

[pecksniff]

No, it's whatever the law says it is.

The law is whatever we decide it should be.

 

[Gorgoroth]

again? wtf, has he no impulse control or is it all that chimp rage he's tossing about?

Oh look, a socialist is talking about impulse control and chimp rage.....

The law is whatever we decide it should be.

No, it's whatever Congress decides it should be.

We aren't a direct democracy KKKomrade.

 

[pecksniff]

We aren't a direct democracy KKKomrade.

Thank you for summing up the problem!

 

[Gorgoroth]

Thank you for summing up the problem!

It's not a problem. Direct democracy is a trash system.

 

[pecksniff]

It's not a problem. Direct democracy is a trash system.

It never was historically.

 

[Gorgoroth]

It never was historically.

We've already been over this, and you were wrong.

It's trash.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Yes, because it is!

If I were to start taxing people, I would be sent to jail. Even if the people I was taxing were children of mine, and I was using the money to buy groceries or to benefit them. Any of us would go to jail for just taking part of someone else's paychecks from them.

The only thing that makes this not the exact legal definition of theft is the fact that the people who get your money have declared that what they are doing is legal.

The voters have decided that what they are doing is legal. For years public opinion surveys have indicated majority support for a more progressive tax system.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pol...QswLjguNi4yLjIuMZgBAKABAbABCg&sclient=gws-wiz

 

[RobDownSouth]

And you still have never answered what is wrong with productive people getting to keep more of their money??

You've always operated on the ASSUMPTION that it's a good thing to tear down and punish anyone doing any better than you.

Basic chimp rage.... wealth envy..... pathetic as ever Rob.

Oh look, he wants to have us justify (to him) teh merits of the progressive income tax system. Tell you what, buddy, gather all of your friends and call your Representative and have him (or her) introduce a flat tax yet again.

The simple fact is that you just don't have teh votes in Congress. The popular will is against your little regressive tax, and therefore you rage-farm.

Sucks to be you!

 

[Gorgoroth]

Oh look, he wants to have us justify (to him) teh merits of the progressive income tax system. Tell you what, buddy, gather all of your friends and call your Representative and have him (or her) introduce a flat tax yet again.

So you STILL can't explain why productive folks shouldn't be allowed to keep more of their wealth.

The simple fact is that you just don't have teh votes in Congress. The popular will is against your little regressive tax, and therefore you rage-farm.

Sucks to be you!

And that fact has nothing to do with fairness nor does it explain why you think it is wrong for productive people to keep their money and that their productivity entitles you to the fruits of their labor.

No, I have the CPA wife playing the "loopholes" and keeping my effective tax rate as low as possible, plus I get that 44,000ish a year automatic tax return from the VA.... so it really doesn't suck to be me.

 

[RobDownSouth]

So you STILL can't explain why productive folks shouldn't be allowed to keep more of their wealth.


And that fact has nothing to do with fairness nor does it explain why you think it is wrong for productive people to keep their money and that their productivity entitles you to the fruits of their labor.

No, I have the CPA wife playing the "loopholes" and keeping my effective tax rate as low as possible, plus I get that 44,000ish a year automatic tax return from the VA.... so it really doesn't suck to be me.

New ID, same ole blah blah blah "PRAY DEFENSE ROB! YOU PRAY DEFENSE!"

Nope, so sorry, not gonna play. Make sure you declare "victory" choad.

Maybe you can take that Albanian/Persian/Iranian/Israeli/Syrian hedgepig common law "wife" out to dinner and celebrate.

 

[LittleDixie]

The voters have decided that what they are doing is legal. For years public opinion surveys have indicated majority support for a more progressive tax system.

Respectfully, what a majority of people want does not affect whether something is right or wrong. At one point, slavery was legal, and in many communities people supported slavery - that didn't make it right. A gang of rapists outnumbers their victim, but their support of rape does not make it moral or correct. Public opinion does not dictate morality.

Taking things from people without their permission or assent is wrong, even if you and a majority of people all really like the idea, you're still stealing - you're still a thief.

 

[Gorgoroth]

New ID, same ole blah blah blah "PRAY DEFENSE ROB! YOU PRAY DEFENSE!"

Your racism doesn't make the fact that you COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FAILED to support your position with literally anything other than a deflection go away.

Nope, so sorry, not gonna play. Make sure you declare "victory" choad.

Maybe you can take that Albanian/Persian/Iranian/Israeli/Syrian hedgepig common law "wife" out to dinner and celebrate.

You can't play Rob, the only honest thing you can say is "I support it because I don't think people should be allowed to have more than I do because I'm a socialist child who never grew up!! " and you're not honest nor mature enough to do that.

Sorry you still struggle with ethnicity vs nationality. It's really not that hard to understand if you apply yourself above the level of a 5 year old.... hopefully one day you'll make it.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Respectfully, what a majority of people want does not affect whether something is right or wrong. At one point, slavery was legal, and in many communities people supported slavery - that didn't make it right. A gang of rapists outnumbers their victim, but their support of rape does not make it moral or correct. Public opinion does not dictate morality.

Taking things from people without their permission or assent is wrong, even if you and a majority of people all really like the idea, you're still stealing - you're still a thief.

Who gave you the authority to be the arbiter of what is right or wrong? Since the inauguration of Ronald Reagan the rich have been paying lower taxes on more money. I am unaware that they are working any harder than they were during the 1950's. The rest of the country has not benefited. Tax cuts for the rich mean tax increases on the majority, cuts in programs that benefit us, and/or more national debt.

Most Americans want the rich to pay higher taxes. Most Americans would benefit as a result.

 

[The_Trouvere]

And you still have never answered what is wrong with productive people getting to keep more of their money??

You've always operated on the ASSUMPTION that it's a good thing to tear down and punish anyone doing any better than you.

Basic chimp rage.... wealth envy..... pathetic as ever Rob.

Beyond a certain point I see little moral significance to the distribution of wealth and income. Herd work, self discipline, honesty, and common decency will keep one out of prison and off of welfare. They will not make one rich. Many rich people, like Donald Trump, exhibit none of those characteristics.

What really matters are IQ, rich parents, and good luck. Charles Murray once wrote, and I forget his exact words, "Science is telling us that no one deserves his IQ."

 

[Gorgoroth]

Since the inauguration of Ronald Reagan the rich have been paying lower taxes on more money.

Back to the way things should be.

I am unaware that they are working any harder than they were during the 1950's.

What does "working harder" have to do with it??

The rest of the country has not benefited.

None of us work or run our businesses for he benefit of the country.

That's not the purpose of commerce.

Tax cuts for the rich mean tax increases on the majority,

Paying their fair share!!! I think the bottom 47% needs to start coming up off 37% of EVERY DOLLAR.

That way they can feel that big ol' federal dick too..... I mean if it's good for me it's good for them too right???

cuts in programs that benefit us, and/or more national debt.

Sounds like congress should get it's spending problem under control stop behaving like a 14 y/o kid at the mall with daddy's AmEx.

Most Americans want the rich to pay higher taxes. Most Americans would benefit as a result.

That doesn't make it fair though.

 

[ll74]

Beyond a certain point I see little moral significance to the distribution of wealth and income. Herd work, self discipline, honesty, and common decency will keep one out of prison and off of welfare. They will not make one rich. Many rich people, like Donald Trump, exhibit none of those characteristics.

What really matters are IQ, rich parents, and good luck. Charles Murray once wrote, and I forget his exact words, "Science is telling us that no one deserves his IQ."

I love when people say the value of work doesn't change.

That should mean that the same job over time should still pay for the same amount of goods from the wages....instead, they usually just mean that the number on the dollar bills stays the same.

 

[Gorgoroth]

Beyond a certain point I see little moral significance to the distribution of wealth and income.

I don't see it at any level and think wealth redistribution for the sake of equity is no only immoral but evil as fuck.

What really matters are IQ, rich parents, and good luck.

IQ as in able to figure out how to make money? 100%.

Parents, 100% but they don't have to be rich.

Luck, somewhat, but that's usually a result of the IQ bit.

Charles Murray once wrote, and I forget his exact words, "Science is telling us that no one deserves his IQ."

*shrug* sounds like a bunch of "it's not FAIR!!!" whining.

 

[Gorgoroth]

I love when people say the value of work doesn't change.

That should mean that the same job over time should still pay for the same amount of goods from the wages....instead, they usually just mean that the number on the dollar bills stays the same.

No, that would mean both the value of work and the value of a dollar doesn't change.

The value of work is still the same, that's why minimum wage is still sucking shit at the bottom no matter what arbitrary dollar value you idiot leftist stick to it...... 15/hr?? Well guess what it still takes an hr and some change of that labor to get a trashy fast food meal, just like all the right wingers said it would.

Imagine that.

The value of work is still the same, the value of the dollar has just been degraded.

Wage slaves are worse off and those of us who make money are just charging more and we'll keep charging more no matter how much you tax us.

 

[ll74]

No, that would mean both the value of work and the value of a dollar doesn't change.

The value of work is still the same, that's why minimum wage is still sucking shit at the bottom no matter what arbitrary dollar value you idiot leftist stick to it...... 15/hr?? Well guess what it still takes an hr and some change of that labor to get a trashy fast food meal, just like all the right wingers said it would.

Imagine that.

The value of work is still the same, the value of the dollar has just been degraded.

Wage slaves are worse off and those of us who make money are just charging more and we'll keep charging more no matter how much you tax us.

The value of a dollar is only the amount of goods it buys. Nobody works for the money..they work for the things the money buys.

The number on the bill is not relevant.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Back to the way things should be.

What does "working harder" have to do with it??

None of us work or run our businesses for he benefit of the country.

That's not the purpose of commerce.

Paying their fair share!!! I think the bottom 47% needs to start coming up off 37% of EVERY DOLLAR.

That way they can feel that big ol' federal dick too..... I mean if it's good for me it's good for them too right???

Sounds like congress should get it's spending problem under control stop behaving like a 14 y/o kid at the mall with daddy's AmEx.

That doesn't make it fair though.

Tax rates are a normative issue. Political arguments over normative issues resemble shouting matches between deaf people. Each side appeals to values and concerns the other side does not have. I like arguments over empirical issues. Those are debates where facts and insights and conclusions that can logically be derived from those facts matter. I like numbers on paper. That is why I enjoy pointing out that most Americans desire a more progressive tax system, and have done so for a long time. Raising taxes on the well to do is the strongest issue the Democrats have. I hope they make the best of it.