Building Pleasure through Pain

[Homburg]

Gentleman I'd like to interject and point out I am kind of liking these knives currently.

I own the kerambit. It's a wonderful little piece for knifeplay with skittish bottoms. Moreover, it truly comes into its' own for removing wax after waxplay. I prefer a blade for that, but given that lighting is not always wonderful, the kerambit is an excellent compromise on, again, skittish bottoms.

It handles rather well, and is beautifully well-made. And I would love to have a proper steel version. Then again, one of the MA's I studied used kerambits, so I'm comfortable with them.

And, oh, the things I would do for a Tai Pan. Oh. My. Gawd. SUCH a sweet blade!

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

And, oh, the things I would do for a Tai Pan. Oh. My. Gawd. SUCH a sweet blade!

Most daggers are notorious for having thin, fragile points that are easily broken. In contrast, the Tai Pan features a sturdy spear point which is wide and thick enough to resist breaking without compromising its ability to offer deep, effortless penetration.

The razor sharp twin edges offer twice the potential cuts, slashes, and locks of a single edge knife. When used with skill, the Tai Pan can cut a 180° arc up or down or from side to side with devastating effect. With a balance point just behind the guard, the Tai Pan has subtle ”handle heavy” feel making it ideal for insertions yet remaining “lively” in the hand.

How in all that is true and fair in this World did they ever manage to use the word 'subtle' in that piece ......


"Lively in the hand" must be a dom thang.


Not sure whether to laugh or cry.


Either way I am still ...............










safe

 

[Homburg]

How in all that is true and fair in this World did they ever manage to use the word 'subtle' in that piece ......


"Lively in the hand" must be a dom thang.


Not sure whether to laugh or cry.


Either way I am still ...............










safe

It does have subtle nuances of feel to it. Trust me. I play with a lot of knives, and I just love how the Tai Pan feels in my hand. You may have noticed that I have large hands, right? They're fairly sensitive too. So it means that fitting a knife can be an interesting proposition.


Another example of knifely hotness is the Applegate-Fairbairn combat knife. A bit large for knifeplay, it is, however, quite adept as a fighting blade. It, too, is designed for a somewhat handle-heavy feel. and that handle-heavy bias is precisely what makes it lively in the hand. The weight bias is below the point of rotation. Makes the blade feel lighter and faster as a result.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

It does have subtle nuances of feel to it. Trust me. I play with a lot of knives, and I just love how the Tai Pan feels in my hand. You may have noticed that I have large hands, right? They're fairly sensitive too. So it means that fitting a knife can be an interesting proposition.


Another example of knifely hotness is the Applegate-Fairbairn combat knife. A bit large for knifeplay, it is, however, quite adept as a fighting blade. It, too, is designed for a somewhat handle-heavy feel. and that handle-heavy bias is precisely what makes it lively in the hand. The weight bias is below the point of rotation. Makes the blade feel lighter and faster as a result.

So I take it a spork is out of the question Mr Homburg ?

On a more serious note I understand in as much as I am able the fervor in knife aesthetics. I recall a National Geographic documentary on Japanese National Living Treasures and among the fine company of artisans and craftsman was a gentleman whose family had hand forged fine swords through out history. I have had a friend wax lyrical (not in the bdsm sense) about the potential of certian knives as they are pertinent to one of his recreational pursuits. Though I will never respect a knife as much as I did the day an anchor rope wrapped around my brothers wrist as our small boat drifted and I was able to release him in the mind f**k of all human panics. Hands ? You have hands Mr Homburg ? Oh my, well I declare, I never noticed : chuckles :

 

[Homburg]

So I take it a spork is out of the question Mr Homburg ?

That is Strike One, miss rebecca. You are not to mention sporks in threads where there are serious blades around.

See that you do not earn a Second Strike.

On a more serious note I understand in as much as I am able the fervor in knife aesthetics. I recall a National Geographic documentary on Japanese National Living Treasures and among the fine company of artisans and craftsman was a gentleman whose family had hand forged fine swords through out history. I have had a friend wax lyrical (not in the bdsm sense) about the potential of certian knives as they are pertinent to one of his recreational pursuits. Though I will never respect a knife as much as I did the day an anchor rope wrapped around my brothers wrist as our small boat drifted and I was able to release him in the mind f**k of all human panics. Hands ? You have hands Mr Homburg ? Oh my, well I declare, I never noticed : chuckles :

The boating thing is one of those situations where a blade is just dead necessary. So many times in my life I've been served well by having a good blade on my person. I honestly feel naked without one.

And, yes, I do have hands. Maybe I should show them too you some time.

 

[Life_Noir]

How in all that is true and fair in this World did they ever manage to use the word 'subtle' in that piece ......


"Lively in the hand" must be a dom thang.


Not sure whether to laugh or cry.


Either way I am still ...............



safe

*LOL*

Perhaps it is a Dom thing...But it is definately a "knife person" thing..
And, as a friend of mine once said "There are knife people...And then there is everyone else {the people who try to borrow your knife}..."
*shrug*
Personally, I'd just as soon leave my house without my pants as without my knife..

I do own a couple of the Cold Steel pieces.. {*lol* including the "push dagger"}.. One of them is a "constant companion". And I seriously think one of their Kerambits will be my next sharp and pointy from them.

I don't know about their description of dagger tips...But I'm sure that Homburgh will agree that historically, knife construction and shape {at least till recently}are the best example of "form follows function". The blade, grip, and pommel, tend to be styled and constructed for the way they are intended to be used. {*grin* In homage to that theory..I am one of the few people I know that owns a "Timbre Pig"} Though somtimes they will devolve into "decoration" after long association.

Someone who goes boating, or sailing, or into the woods without the best knife they can afford? *shrug* I always figured they were asking to be a statistic... And boating is still the best reason ever for the serrated blade {I.E. The Dusagge Cutlass} ..

More thread coherently: The evolution of pain...And the appreciation thereof..Starts between the ears. And I don't think there is much that illustrates this better than knife play. {Well... Perhaps hot wax.}. There is that anticipation/dread before the first touch.. *lol* Where the pyl's mind does all the Dom/mes work for him/her...

 

[Netzach]

Spork.

Heh.

"All I need are a couple of hours alone with you, Baldric, and this pencil." - Blackadder

 

[Netzach]

Indeed... I found myself doing aproximately the same thing... ANd that is exactly what we are doing in that moment...
*grin*
Stalking prey...
The best paralell I have found is watching the cat enter into an area, see it's toy {or the other cat} and behave in exactly the same manner.

My cats usually wiggle their butts, go huge-eyed, and then make a noise like a casette tape being rewound as they attack.

 

[Homburg]

*LOL*

Perhaps it is a Dom thing...But it is definately a "knife person" thing..
And, as a friend of mine once said "There are knife people...And then there is everyone else {the people who try to borrow your knife}..."
*shrug*
Personally, I'd just as soon leave my house without my pants as without my knife..

Yeah, you and I were apparently seperated at birth.

I do own a couple of the Cold Steel pieces.. {*lol* including the "push dagger"}.. One of them is a "constant companion". And I seriously think one of their Kerambits will be my next sharp and pointy from them.

I really do like the kerambit. It takes a bit of getting used to, as it is very much not the moral design. The point being so curved makes it hit a bit weird. Once you get used to the ring at the end, you will marvel at how useful it is in fine control.

In silat, kerambits are used both point-up and point-down (or icepick grip, whatever you want to call it). I prefer point-down, and that's a bit odd for me, as I dislike icepick grip as a rule. With the kerambit, icepick becomes so much more handy. It also blends well into the panantukan stuff I used to do.

In short, the kerambit is useless as a tool, but it makes for a fun knifeplay item, and a really brilliant fighting-knife (once you get used to it).

I don't know about their description of dagger tips...But I'm sure that Homburgh will agree that historically, knife construction and shape {at least till recently}are the best example of "form follows function". The blade, grip, and pommel, tend to be styled and constructed for the way they are intended to be used. {*grin* In homage to that theory..I am one of the few people I know that owns a "Timbre Pig"} Though somtimes they will devolve into "decoration" after long association.

Absolutely. Form follows function. Some of the knives that are dearest to my heart are just awful looking ugly things. For example, I'd love to own a USMC Medical Corps bolo circa WWII. Awesomely useful blades, but ugly as homemade sin. The kerambit is another example. Funky looking, but ultimately a matter of form.

That said, sometimes function does produce elegant and beautiful form. The Tai Pan is gorgeous, and yet 100% functional. Same with the Tantos produced by Cold Steel. Utterly functional, and still beautiful.

Then again, I can see beauty in places where others do not. Maybe it is part of being a Dom, dunno. After all, I see beauty in pain and tears. Maybe it is an extension of that to see beauty in well-made weapons and tools and such.

 

[Homburg]

Spork.

Heh.

Are you looking for a Strike too? I won't hesitate to give you one.

*glares*

*grumbles about sporks*

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My cats usually wiggle their butts, go huge-eyed, and then make a noise like a casette tape being rewound as they attack.

Not mine. Kato, my msub cat, will occassionally get a wild hair up his pink butthole and decide to go after Buttercup, my wife's very FDom tabby. Old Kato suddenly gets all kinds of confident, staring at her. She immediately knows what it up and begins to puff up and hiss. While this usually works to quell Kato, his dander is up, and that just makes him more excited. Next thing I know he's launched himself at her like a panther. No tail up, no noise, no show whatsoever. It's just large, black tomcat-shaped missile.

Unfortunately, while she tends to flee initially eventually she tires of the game and flat kicks his ass. Every time like clockwork.

Still, it makes for an interesting parallel. Kato does his little routine much like I do mine. It starts with observation, then The Look, then he launches.

 

[BiBunny]

*Pants and drools from a safe distance*

Goddammit...it's hell being a switch on a maso kick in the middle of a thread full of sadists. Oh, wait--maybe it's not.

 

[Life_Noir]

*Pants and drools from a safe distance*

Goddammit...it's hell being a switch on a maso kick in the middle of a thread full of sadists. Oh, wait--maybe it's not.

Safe distance...Meh... Where's the fun in that????

 

[Life_Noir]

Are you looking for a Strike too? I won't hesitate to give you one.

*glares*

*grumbles about sporks*

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Hmmm Couple of sporks... A couple of rubber bands... Enough rope to keep the errr......... "Playing field" stable...

I can see some potential there........

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Hmmm Couple of sporks... A couple of rubber bands... Enough rope to keep the errr......... "Playing field" stable...

I can see some potential there........

I was offered ( threatened with ) a whisk once to contemplate.

Considerately given the 'offer' of teflon coated or plain steel, my choice.

: shudders :

May as well have been a machete for the actual impact it had in my potential to expedient skin crawling back track. I was being facetious to amuse in my prior comments to Mr Homburg, having said so, where there is a will there is a way.

 

[Life_Noir]

I was offered ( threatened with ) a whisk once to contemplate.

Considerately given the 'offer' of teflon coated or plain steel, my choice.

: shudders :

May as well have been a machete for the actual impact it had in my potential to expedient skin crawling back track. I was being facetious to amuse in my prior comments to Mr Homburg, having said so, where there is a will there is a way.

Visualize a spork... Now......... Do the words "Clamshell Nipple Clamp" cause a reaction????????????

 

[EmpressFi]

And, yes, I do have hands. Maybe I should show them too you some time.

No!.. Please no.. not that..

 

[shy slave]

Now, why would you want to do that?

Back on topic, we've talked a good bit here about building up to intensity so pain can be interpreted as pleasure, what about the mental and emotional trickery used to just drop the bottom into that space?

There are times when I do not worry about the ramp-up. I just grab her by the back of the neck, force her bent over some handy fixture, and start to lay hand on ass. She squirms, yelps, and cries out for those first few swats, but my hand tangled in her hair and a growled "Stay!" serve to slam her into proper headspace. It is pain and pleasure thereafter.

Subtle endorphin manipulation is fine and good, but sometimes I just need to take.

I agree, this does work well; but I do think you need to know the person well before doing such a thing.

It is that 'knowing' of what techniques to use, and when to use them, that make the difference between a one off session and a relationship where you both understand each other well.

Plus I now feel all hot again.

You and Life Noir have that ability, or so it seems...

 

[Life_Noir]

I agree, this does work well; but I do think you need to know the person well before doing such a thing.

It is that 'knowing' of what techniques to use, and when to use them, that make the difference between a one off session and a relationship where you both understand each other well.

Plus I now feel all hot again.

You and Life Noir have that ability, or so it seems...

And more importantly...They need to know you... That hunting stalk {or some other behaviour}*shrug* .. It's a set of preperatory cues for both..
Really catch someone by surprise, even your pyl, and you are likely to get an entirely different set of reactions... Which may include getting wacked.
Hmmm Of course, that "real surprise" can be quite attractive all on it's own..
{If you dont mind the occaisional whack around the ears}

Also..it's not just the "knowing" ..You can know all the techniques that there are.
In the end..It's the "wanting" and the "needing" that make a relationship instead of a scene..

Ability???? Yeah...It comes with the neat Decoder ring and the instruction manual for the secret handshake...

 

[Netzach]

I agree, this does work well; but I do think you need to know the person well before doing such a thing.

It is that 'knowing' of what techniques to use, and when to use them, that make the difference between a one off session and a relationship where you both understand each other well.

Plus I now feel all hot again.

You and Life Noir have that ability, or so it seems...

Exactly.

Think about how you're react to someone who pulled it who didn't have the magic established. It's comedy, not porn, then.

And I flubbed my Blackadder quote, it seems. This is it.

"Believe me,Baldric, an eternity in the company of Beelzebub and all his hellish minions will be as nothing compared to five minutes alone with me...and this pencil."

 

[Homburg]

Plus I now feel all hot again.

You and Life Noir have that ability, or so it seems...

And here I thought that you were backing away slowly?

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I was offered ( threatened with ) a whisk once to contemplate.

Considerately given the 'offer' of teflon coated or plain steel, my choice.

: shudders :

May as well have been a machete for the actual impact it had in my potential to expedient skin crawling back track. I was being facetious to amuse in my prior comments to Mr Homburg, having said so, where there is a will there is a way.

See, if I do that, "v" is likely to continue to do whatever it is just out of sheer curiousity. Then I have to come up with something evil to do with whatever innocuous implement I used as a threat.

Luckily, I'm not too bad at that.

 

[shy slave]

Exactly.

Think about how you're react to someone who pulled it who didn't have the magic established. It's comedy, not porn, then.

And I flubbed my Blackadder quote, it seems. This is it.

"Believe me,Baldric, an eternity in the company of Beelzebub and all his hellish minions will be as nothing compared to five minutes alone with me...and this pencil."

Comedy, or as Life Noir said a whack around the ears!

As for Blackadder...perfect

 

[BiBunny]

*Sigh*

Blackadder and sadists. It can't get much better than that.

*Swishes tail*

 

[Life_Noir]

Hmm Just looked back through this...Boredom and ennui tend to make me loquacious... A deplorable habit that... Sorry folks..

But.. To cap my unintended sharp and pointy hijack... Actually drove an hour and a half and saw Sweeny Todd tonight.. Depp's voice is surprisingly good. .......... And I want his razor.
All in all, it was quite lovely, in a dark, brooding, psychotic, and overly bloody way.
{*grin*}..
Even stopped on the way home and soaked up a little seafood alfredo..

But then, I found myself immersed in the 3rd Dexter novel...
*sigh*
A little too much sanguinary synchronicity.... I need sleep..

*Wanders off grumbling to self*

 

[EmpressFi]

4Actually drove an hour and a half and saw Sweeny Todd tonight.. Depp's voice is surprisingly good. .......... And I want his razor.
All in all, it was quite lovely, in a dark, brooding, psychotic, and overly bloody way.
{*grin*}..

We saw that New Years Day.. and I agree.. his voice has haunted me all week.. and those razors.. /drool

 

[Homburg]

But.. To cap my unintended sharp and pointy hijack... Actually drove an hour and a half and saw Sweeny Todd tonight.. Depp's voice is surprisingly good. .......... And I want his razor.
All in all, it was quite lovely, in a dark, brooding, psychotic, and overly bloody way.
{*grin*}..

Watching Sweeney Todd caused a couple of days worth of impromptu knifeplay scenes. Nothing says "I love you... " like a quick grab and struggles quelled by something sharp pressed into something soft....