Circumcised or natural (foreskin)?

[JMohegan]

In my case, it had nothing to do with purity. I just figured I'd let my sons decide when they were of age. I was likewise unwilling to do any sort of baptism or christening or anything like that as infants. If they want to go that route, they can do so under their own auspices.

I know, I understood what you meant.

By the way - it's amazing to me that the hospital didn't even ask for your parents' permission to cut. Holy shit.

 

[Homburg]

I know, I understood what you meant.

By the way - it's amazing to me that the hospital didn't even ask for your parents' permission to cut. Holy shit.

Nope. It was a really rough delivery, so my mom was whacked out on drugs, and my dad was dealing with her. They barely asked what my folks wanted to name me. My mom still doesn't remember telling them. I was originally supposed to be named something else, but she apparently told them to name me after my dad.

They found out about the snippage when they went to change the diaper.

 

[FantaSeaGirl]

I find this conversation interesting.

I am pregnant with a son & the topic of circumcision came up. I am Australian married to an American living in America. It seems that circumcision is more popular here in America than back home in Australia, although I will say "most" men are circumsized (I haven't done a survey), there is a trend among my freinds who are having sons to not go that route.

For me it not a decision of hygiene or cleanliness. I believe that if a woman can keep herself clean then so can a man. As far as sensitivity goes my opinion would be "what he never had he'll never miss" if it is an issue at all. Personally I was against it though because I believed it was unnecessary. However, not being in position of said appendange I figured "what the hell would I know".

So, I decided that my husband, who does have one, and who was brought up here in America would be the best to decide. Like unnecessary braces to acieve perfectly straight teeth, I figured that it would be better for the little fella & his littler feller if he looked like his Dad / other boys in the locker room.

What made me laugh however was when my hubby stated that he wanted his son cut because if he wasn't & he was the only boy in the locker room wearing a turtle neck then he would feel different & he didn't want his son to experience the "shame" that he did. Which is really wierd because it seems that my husband who has been cut has lived his life thinking he wasn't and he was "different"! It seems that no matter how much I tell him that I have had more close experiences with both varities that he refuses to believe my verdict!

 

[YourCaptor]

Ok I'm curious about this one.

I have read before that circumcision was an early attempt at rape/sex control. As in a circumcised man is going to have a very painful time when the women is not lubricated. Even wounding or "chafing" the penis.

I have no idea if this is true, historically or physically, can someone confirm either as plausible or not?

 

[wicked woman]

Just to throw a twist into the discussion.

Why is it ok to circumcise males but not females?

 

[Marquis]

I can confirm that the forced entry of an unlubricated vagina is a bit chafing but well worth it.

 

[Marquis]

Just to throw a twist into the discussion.

Why is it ok to circumcise males but not females?

Female circumcision generally refers to the removal of the clit.

Tell me how much fun life would be without a clit.

 

[Homburg]

Just to throw a twist into the discussion.

Why is it ok to circumcise males but not females?

Female circumcision destroys sexual function in that portion of the female anatomy. Male sexual function is still retained when circumcised.

Not defending circumcision of males, just pointing out that one leaves a functioning sex organ and the other does not.

 

[wicked woman]

Female circumcision generally refers to the removal of the clit.

Tell me how much fun life would be without a clit.

oh I know what it entails and that it's not a perfect analogy.

Not half as much fun as it is with one.

Female circumcision destroys sexual function in that portion of the female anatomy. Male sexual function is still retained when circumcised.

Not defending circumcision of males, just pointing out that one leaves a functioning sex organ and the other does not.

Fair distinction. Would your answer be different if the female was able to orgasm without a clit?

 

[Shadowann2]

Just to throw a twist into the discussion.

Why is it ok to circumcise males but not females?

The purpose of circumcising a woman is so that she will not be able to feel pleasure during sex, or be able to orgasm. It is often done by "witch doctors" with a broken piece of glass in third-world countries.

Circumcision of a male in no way prevents him from experiencing pleasure during sex or achieving an orgasm. It is generally done in a hospital, by a doctor, with an anesthetic.

 

[Homburg]

Fair distinction. Would your answer be different if the female was able to orgasm without a clit?

No. Both of my women are able to orgasm with zero stimulation to the clit. I still would not want their clits removed. It's mutilation, as it removes a functioning piece of the organ.

The closer female analogue would be labioplasty to remove "excess" labial skin.

 

[Netzach]

For one reason or another, people here were more amenable to the topic when Shank brought it up a while ago.

To the OP - you may find this thread of interest. I thought it was a good one.

Call me crazy, but I think he did on Cafe? If not, shame shame on him.

 

[intothewoods]

On the issue of health and circumcision, according to the CDC: "Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex."

More info here.

Huh. I'd heard those studies weren't entirely reliable. Interesting.

Nope. It was a really rough delivery, so my mom was whacked out on drugs, and my dad was dealing with her. They barely asked what my folks wanted to name me. My mom still doesn't remember telling them. I was originally supposed to be named something else, but she apparently told them to name me after my dad.

They found out about the snippage when they went to change the diaper.

WHAT THE FUCK??? That's insane!

hey just asking around:

Do you think boys should be circumcised or left natural at birth?

Most say cut of course


http://www.newforeskin.biz/CI/CIchart.htm

Thanks

My impression has been that there isn't a medical reason to circumcise. I'll have to take another look at the studies JM cited because I'd heard people dismiss them. I hadn't looked into it all that closely though, because I circ'ed for cultural reasons (I'm Jewish) and will do so in the future.

 

[JMohegan]

Call me crazy, but I think he did on Cafe? If not, shame shame on him.

I don't understand the obsession with what goes where.

I'm a control freak, yes, but not about this shit.

 

[Homburg]

WHAT THE FUCK??? That's insane!

*shrug* I was in no position to complain. I'm sure I did, and quite loudly, but nobody paid any more mind to me than they did to my parents.

See, my dad is uncut (cutting was uncommon in Japan when he was born), so my mother was used to it, and felt that he could easily teach me how to clean it, etc. So neither of my parents wanted me to go through the trauma, no matter that I would not recall it.

 

[ecstaticsub]

I had my son circumcised for two reasons--his father wanted him to be and because I didn't want him to have to ever be circumcised for medical reasons as an adult. Even though it is rather rare it sometimes is necessary and I figured it would be better as a baby then as an adult.

The do use pain killers. I know for my son I gave him typenol before hand and they used Emla cream and a bit of lidocaine. Still when they came to take him to hav eit done I cried hysterically. Of course, the immediate post child birth hormone flux didn't help either.

 

[Kumani]

I say leave it natural. Why mutilate a boy's genitals for no valid reason. One can say it is for religion or cleanliness but when breaking it down it has no merit. Plus who wants to be accused later on in life by the boy child when he is an adult that you have mutilated him and he wants to go through foreskin reconstructive surgery. Just let it be! No to circumcision.
Personally I prefer an uncut cock......more to play with

 

[Marquis]

Fair distinction. Would your answer be different if the female was able to orgasm without a clit?

I don't think you can orgasm without a clit.

Of course, I'm a boy. I'm only going by some old Naomi Wolf paper or something.

 

[JMohegan]

Fair distinction. Would your answer be different if the female was able to orgasm without a clit?

See the health consequences at this link.

Orgasm issues are only one part of the problem.

 

[intothewoods]

I don't think you can orgasm without a clit.

Of course, I'm a boy. I'm only going by some old Naomi Wolf paper or something.

Naomi Wolf reference? Nice!

 

[Netzach]

I don't understand the obsession with what goes where.

I'm a control freak, yes, but not about this shit.

I was semi kidding. I still like to see things have some bearing on SM when posted to the SM board, rather than " any random sexual topic on earth."

As for cut/uncut issues the only thing that pisses me off to no end is listening to new agey 20 year old mothers act like you're a barbaric fiend if you're a Jew or Muslim.

 

[Netzach]

I don't think you can orgasm without a clit.

Of course, I'm a boy. I'm only going by some old Naomi Wolf paper or something.

I keep being told otherwise, but my own experience lines up with your hunch. I'll accept guff for my wiring from men who can orgasm from buttfucking and that's it.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

As for cut/uncut issues the only thing that pisses me off to no end is listening to new agey 20 year old mothers act like you're a barbaric fiend if you're a Jew or Muslim.

Religious reasons I get. Social reasons (like being the only uncut boy in the locker room) I get, although it seems a bit of an extreme way to ensure little Johnny fits in with his peers.

What I seriously don't get is how people advocate circumcision purely for 'hygiene' reasons. How hard is it for a guy to thoroughly wash his cock on a regular basis? There are frequently threads on How To posted by girls panicking because their new guy has a foreskin and they don't know what to do with it. Particularly among American youth, there seems to be this 'eww gross!' factor to a perfectly natural part of the anatomy. They talk about uncut penises as though they're biohazards. Is education on this really so poor in the USA?

ETA: There are also threads posted by young American guys who are reluctant to lose their virginity because they're worried that girls will find their uncut cock gross. I think that's a real shame.

 

[Netzach]

Religious reasons I get. Social reasons (like being the only uncut boy in the locker room) I get, although it seems a bit of an extreme way to ensure little Johnny fits in with his peers.

What I seriously don't get is how people advocate circumcision purely for 'hygiene' reasons. How hard is it for a guy to thoroughly wash his cock on a regular basis? There are frequently threads on How To posted by girls panicking because their new guy has a foreskin and they don't know what to do with it. Particularly among American youth, there seems to be this 'eww gross!' factor to a perfectly natural part of the anatomy. They talk about uncut penises as though they're biohazards. Is education on this really so poor in the USA?

ETA: There are also threads posted by young American guys who are reluctant to lose their virginity because they're worried that girls will find their uncut cock gross. I think that's a real shame.

That's just nuttyweird.

I've found non-kosher dick fascinating, but not inherently any dirtier.

 

[kara24]

ETA: There are also threads posted by young American guys who are reluctant to lose their virginity because they're worried that girls will find their uncut cock gross. I think that's a real shame.

They should hop on over to England, where they would be welcomed with open arms lol! Totally normal to be uncut, in fact very rarely seen a cut one - kindof a novelty.