Coming on Command

Kailey_86 said:
Let me ask you something. How did you get this "experience" that you are talking about. Trial and error, right? You made mistakes and learned from them. How will i ever learn if i don't make any mistakes? All of my life (no matter how short it has been) i have been getting opinions and advice from others on what i should do. This is because of the fact that i never did anything right in my stepdad's eyes. i am always walking on eggshells trying to please everyone. i am always trying to do the right thing. The thing is, whatever i decide to do, it will always be wrong in somebody's eyes. i will always be wrong in some way. Take my sleeping with this guy after being release for example, some here think it was ok and believe i won't develop feelings while you don't. No matter what i do, i will disappoint someone. i need to make my own mistakes. i need to learn on my own. Otherwise i am just following blindly. You experienced your life and learned from it. Your reactions are different from mine, your environment, your past, your everything was different from mine. i won't experience things the same way as you did and i won't necessarily have the same results. Some people are very happy with their lives having not gone to college while others regret it. Do you see my point?

K the big difference I see between you and I and how we get/got our experience is I did get advice or opinions from lots of people with and without asking, and though I still chose my own path (and often knew it was going to be the wrong one), I didn't usually feel the need to get defensive or justify myself in a way which basically sounded like it was saying 'butt out'. LOL, with my parents when I was young it was more confrontational, but not with other people, especially the older age group who I knew were not ultra conservative, but also didn't think my path was laways that good...and I eventualy learned how to say 'thanks but no thanks' politely to my parents when needed and respect them for their opinions without feeling pressured. I fucked up plenty and often was aware that was going to be the outcome but made the choice anyway, but I also acknowledged it was my choice and was still happy people felt they could say what they thought without me pushing them away. No matter what age we are (even 90yo), there are always people who have more experience, more knowledge, perhaps more insight than we do ourselves, and always different though not totally unrelated and irrelevant, sometimes simply because they are standing on the outside looking in where the view can be a lot clearer and unobstructed. Even though I am a grandmother and close to 50 I still have people who will say if they think I am misguided about something I am doing, even my own children, and I don't have a problem with it. I much prefer having the experience of hearing from others what they are thinking, what has been their experience, than the more unpleasant alternatives of having them say one thing to my face and another to everyone else only for me to hear about later, or feeling they are thinking different to what they are saying but they cannot be open about it, or finding out later they could have warned me through their own stories, or them just plain not caring enough to mention anything. You do not have to push people away to have your freedom or choose your destiny, you just have to have the strength to do what you feel is right for you and take responsibility for it.

There are a lot of people in this world who will come along later and tell you they thought you were nuts etc., for doing something (as you have experienced here because there have been some of us who have voiced our concerns and you have sometimes found were well grounded, and many who came out all back patting and then later 'oh dear' after the fact), few who care enough or have the guts and respect to tell you upfront in the interests of giving you another perspective from perhaps a clearer mind. Sometimes I dearly wish people had told me what they saw or thought before I fucked up more than smiling falsely and appearing supportive while they were expecting disaster, and sometimes I wished I had listened and thought more carefully. Listening to the experiences and thoughts of others is often a good way to feel out your own thoughts and emotions, spark some unthought of ones, learn, and make decisions from there, it is not an obligation to follow the path of whoever is giving it. I envy you that you have so many people who do not know you but are concerned enough for your welfare and future to bother to speak up and keep speaking even when it is rejected....my last bit of unsolicited advice would be to use that and value it in the manner it was intended, not to feel you are being victimised. You don't have to jump off a bridge onto rocks below to know it is going to hurt a lot if not kill you, sometimes actually experiencing something first hand is not the only way to gain experience and learn in this world...observation and thought can be greater teachers than totally fucking yourself up in all ways so you have a nice big load of baggage to carry into each relationship and new experience.

Catalina :catroar:
 
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I will say one thing - I've never heard of such a fast rebounder. Most people grieve for their lost relationship for a while, even if they were the one to break it off. But sleeping with a guy the very next (same?) night sure sounds like rebound sex to me.

I've run out of advice to give here, I think. I'll continue reading, but I've said what I had to say, and there's no point rehashing it. Whether Kailey listens and learns or not is up to her.

Good journeys.
 
the captians wench said:
My current play partner, and also dear friend, have included sex into our play. He also has taught me a lot, and is expanding my safe zone with in a context that Master aproves of. This friend I care for very much, and he tends to fill in in times when and how Master just is not capible of right now. More important than anything sexual, he's there for me when I really need some one to be. He's a friend most of all, and neither one of us have any desire to change that. But again, this goes unsaid, it's well known by each of us, but we don't have to have a reminder every time we're together to keep that clear.

i need to find new friends....

good luck kailey in your next journey. it sounds like you have lots of people who care about you here in Lit.
 
i don't mean to seem like i am rejecting anyone's advice and i really didn't want it to sound like i was saying "butt off." i am very happy and grateful to have so many people caring about me. i suppose i am getting defensive because i am overwhelmed with everything that is going on and with all the advice. i always had to defend myself against my stepdad and that old habit is coming up again. i sincerely apologize for the way i have been acting because i am not in a clear state of mind. i should have said in the beginning that all of my statements come with a disclaimer until further notice.

my boss just told me that she will never forgive me for leaving because she is so short handed. Talk about a guilt trip. This definately put me on the defensive. It's not MY job to run her business. my mom tells me that one path is a good idea then says that i will be making a terrible mistake if i take the very route that she said would be a good idea. Can you see why i feel like i need to protect myself. This is only a small portion of what is going on. Taking it out on all of you is the wrong thing and i apologize. Thank you for all of your advice and support.
 
Oh trust me hon, I understand. :)

Most people thought I was nuts to rearrange Life for a chance to start over, and nothing has worked out as I'd expected, but I am still better off now, than I was 2 years ago [mostly].

I spent umm... 8 months hearing my sister tell me I should quit my job (that I rearranged Life for) because my boss was an idiot, and maybe it would be better to going back to working in a coffee shop or something (my previous, low paying, service industry job, that would not help me fulfill my dreams and goals).

When I left the job, her first (and only) response was "You did WHAT? How on earth are you going to support yourself?!? Are you going back to working in a coffee shop like you should? You were good at that... I really think that's what you should do." (Yes, sister- I spent the last year studying my Field, rearranging my entire life, and actually using my brain and talents, so that I can go back to making white mochas, because my boss is an asshat. LOL)

My kids don't necessarily like all the decisions I made, my ex thinks I should live closer, my best friend wants me back in Dallas, there are people who think I run my business well, and people who think I'm an idiot. :)

I'm glad to hear you are open to talking with a therapist... the main difference I see betweenyou and I, is that I could really give a damn what people expect of me- I'm going to do my best with what I have, live a Life of integrity, and trust things will sort themselves out eventually. (However, it did take about 20 years, and a few rounds of therapy, to reach this point. ;) )
 
i do understand why everyone is so concerned for Kailey, though i do also think that because she is young, alot of us feel we need to 'protect' her more so than others, or that because she's young, she doesn't know what she's doing. 'young' does not always equal immature, and while i do realize she is inexperienced that also doesn't mean she doesn't know what she wants, or even what it is she THINKS she wants. maybe we all need to step back and take a look at our own mistakes that we've made in life and realize, we learned from EVERY one of them. or atleast i have, and that is how we grow and become experienced. i don't think it's fair to assume that just because this guy slept with her that He is the 'stereotypical user' none of us know Him, and in one post she said He is very respected in the BDSM community there, who are any of us to say what this guys intentions are. Kailey also said this guy did not give Himself the title of her mentor..she SEES Him as that. *shrugs* i understand giving advice and trying to help her out a little, but to basically tell her that her decisions are wrong, because it's not what we would do, or judging someone else simply because He's not 'our' idea of a 'good Dom' is wrong of us. because what makes a 'good Dom' to me, may not necessarily be what makes one for you.

Kailey, you have to do what is right for you, and as i said in another post, read the advice that is given, take what fits for you, and throw the rest out, make your own decisions and it will all work out in the end..everything happens for a reason, and though you're going through a hard time right now, it won't always be like this. only you know what's best for YOU....
 
i just wanted to let people know that i won't be posting for a little while. i will be away for the holidays. i don't want anyone to think i've stopped coming here. After that i will be planning out a move that i have decided to make. i am feeling a little more stable and grounded in this decision despite the fact that my family isn't being all that supportive of it. i just hope it works out as i think it will. Thank you all for everything. Honestly, you have been more help than anyone that i know has been. i will talk to you all soon.

Merry Christams and Happy New Year folks!!! Enjoy the holidays.
 
Kailey_86 said:
i just wanted to let people know that i won't be posting for a little while. i will be away for the holidays. i don't want anyone to think i've stopped coming here. After that i will be planning out a move that i have decided to make. i am feeling a little more stable and grounded in this decision despite the fact that my family isn't being all that supportive of it. i just hope it works out as i think it will. Thank you all for everything. Honestly, you have been more help than anyone that i know has been. i will talk to you all soon.

Merry Christams and Happy New Year folks!!! Enjoy the holidays.

Have a very happy holiday season Kailey, and hope you check back in soon. :)
 
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