Cross-Examining the Climate Change Cultists

[Buffalogurl]

Yes, in the long term. In the short term, no one is trying to take away your tractor or its fuel.

OK... I know no one is trying to take my tractor... what I am asking is what is the technology that replaces my tractor? Or for that matter the fertilizers, and pesticides. Without these products someone is going to go hungry.... real hungry
Will you really eat a cricket burger? Up until about 14 months ago the average American spent about 10% of there income on food.. compared to most of the world paying upwards of 50 to 60% of there income are you willing to pay as much or do you want to enjoy lower cost food? Not trying to be a smart ass..... what are people willing to do......

 

[Chernosoth]

OK... I know no one is trying to take my tractor... what I am asking is what is the technology that replaces my tractor? Or for that matter the fertilizers, and pesticides. Without these products someone is going to go hungry.... real hungry
Will you really eat a cricket burger? Up until about 14 months ago the average American spent about 10% of there income on food.. compared to most of the world paying upwards of 50 to 60% of there income are you willing to pay as much or do you want to enjoy lower cost food? Not trying to be a smart ass..... what are people willing to do......

You may be trapped with a farm that's too big for horses and manual labor, like the dinosaurs that were too big to survive. Without tractors and heavy machinery, farms will probably shrink. Organic smallhold farming is older than civilization, without chemical fertilizers and pesticides.

 

[YDB95]

OK... I know no one is trying to take my tractor... what I am asking is what is the technology that replaces my tractor? Or for that matter the fertilizers, and pesticides. Without these products someone is going to go hungry.... real hungry

That's a big part of the point of the Green New Deal: developing the technology that will replace your tractor. In the meantime, no one is trying to take away the tools you need to do your job; they're trying to develop viable alternatives. That will take research and development, which will require funding.
And millions of Americans already are going hungry, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Chobham]

That's a big part of the point of the Green New Deal: developing the technology that will replace your tractor. In the meantime, no one is trying to take away the tools you need to do your job; they're trying to develop viable alternatives. That will take research and development, which will require funding.
And millions of Americans already are going hungry, for a variety of reasons.

The transition to "green energy" (whatever the hell that is) is going to be evolutionary. Cutting the current sources of energy BEFORE economically viable replacements are in place is beyond foolhardy, it's criminal.

Regarding R&D funding. Below is a link to funding of fusion power in the US alone.

Fusion Power Funding

71 years of R&D funding and "Where's the power?"

My point is not so much the God-awful amount of monies that have been thrown at finding a solution as it is that merely throwing money at something will NOT yield anything in the short term. The more sophisticated the problem the longer it will take to find/reach a viable solution. Virtually all of the simple, short term, solutions were found decades upon decades ago.

I reiterate, turning off the fossil fuel taps before those technologies mature is a criminal act.

 

[QueequegsHead]

It's the inverse of regulation. After every "accident," Congress rushes to write new regulations to saddle industry with as if the losses already incurred don't cause industry to learn, they only hamper it going forward and not a singe regulation written prevents the next accident. Every bit of money that Congress throws at a desired outcome is money that's taken away from those who will make intelligent bets on what will actually work, thusly cutting back that which will actually work.

 

[Chobham]

It's the inverse of regulation. After every "accident," Congress rushes to write new regulations to saddle industry with as if the losses already incurred don't cause industry to learn, they only hamper it going forward and not a singe regulation written prevents the next accident. Every bit of money that Congress throws at a desired outcome is money that's taken away from those who will make intelligent bets on what will actually work, thusly cutting back that which will actually work.

The way that congress makes those monies available coupled with the people that are charged with determining who gets that funding make certain that upwards of 90% of that funding might as well have been flushed down the toilet.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Wait for it...

I hear exceptions to the rule echoing in the ether just waiting to be reproduced.

 

[Chobham]

Wait for it...

I hear exceptions to the rule echoing in the ether just waiting to be reproduced.

Forums need a betting pool function.

 

[QueequegsHead]

I'm still a bit miffed that they took away the poll option...

 

[Chobham]

Re-using the remains of past lives to support new life and progress sounds responsible to me.

Burning is a closed infinite energy loop.

Let us know when you're tired of your Utopian flights of fancy and want to get back to reality dealing with the laws of Physics.

If society were to collapse tomorrow the first thing the remaining humans would be doing would be to start rubbing two sticks together to start a fire.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Like the end of the novel, Player Piano?, where they destroy everything and then at the end are rebuilding it...

Geez, my mind is coming up blank. I'd blame zen, but the 70s and 80s are probably more responsible.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Last year, for example, the FDA celebrated the ten-year anniversary of the Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA), which the agency and many of the law's supporters have touted as the most extensive, impactful, and important overhaul of the FDA's food-safety authority in more than 75 years. It's not. As I noted in a column marking FSMA's first (and hopefully last) decade, CDC estimates of the number of annual cases of foodborne illness in America have remained unchanged in the wake of FSMA's passage and implementation.

"Lest you think those CDC estimates merely haven't been updated in some time," I wrote, "the agency reported [in 2021] that '[t]he incidence of most infections transmitted commonly through food has not declined for many years.'" That means a decade on that the big, signature FDA approach to preventing foodborne illness before it happens has been costly but has not made people or food safer. Why not? That's because FSMA's shortcomings are baked into the law.


Source: Not even the FDA Trusts the FDA to Regulate Food Safety, Baylen Linnekin, Reason.com (Libertarian)

 

[Chobham]

Huh? We burn dead dinosaurs and other life forms now for energy.

Someday someone will use your energy.

Probably not. I'm going to be cremated. My last defiant middle finger to the "climate change" worshipers.

 

[QueequegsHead]

They, like Satan, are the ones supplying the heat.

 

[Chobham]

A cremation requires approx. 28 gal of fuel and releases 540 lbs of CO2 into the atmosphere. Like I said, my last defiant middle finger.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

A cremation requires approx. 28 gal of fuel and releases 540 lbs of CO2 into the atmosphere. Like I said, my last defiant middle finger.

I think that's fair considering life gave you the perpetual middle finger. Plus, with all the alcohol that's pickled you, you'll burn in a crazy hot flame.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

A cremation requires approx. 28 gal of fuel and releases 540 lbs of CO2 into the atmosphere. Like I said, my last defiant middle finger.

Ok, boomer.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Ok, boomer.

Ishtard figures he hasn't fuck up his grandchildren enough with his inbred bloodline.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Besides the exploitation of climate change for government money, many people are desperate to believe in climate change apocalypse because they don't want to face ordinary lives of poverty, with walking to work, manual labor, hand washing their clothes, etc.

I LOL’ed hard. Most people can’t afford to walk to work.
Do you ever know what you’re talking about?

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I LOL’ed hard. Most people can’t afford to walk to work.
Do you ever know what you’re talking about?

No, not ever. He vomits onto his keyboard and hopes for the best.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

luk, my master and owner and that shirtless one aren’t very good at this.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Sorry things are tough for you and luk right now.

Keep loving each other!

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, in the long term. In the short term, no one is trying to take away your tractor or its fuel.

No, they're making the fuel she needs to operate it cost more than she can afford.

 

[ll74]

Because of inflation, climate change is postponed this year. We can't do hard things when it's hard.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Ishtard figures he hasn't fuck up his grandchildren enough with his inbred bloodline.

Shitting over future generations is all that fuckhead is good for, these days. At least he admits it.