Discussion: A Request to the Admins to add a Cuckold topic category

[Euphony]

I love Duck Tales - the modern version with David Tennant unleashing his inner Scottishness is so funny.

Em

Nanny is the O.G. GILF. Ammirite?

 

[EmilyMiller]

I want a lesbian femdom BDSM and piss-drinking category.

Plus a kinky space cephalopod category.

And a slutty ex-angels / anal category would be nice.

Em

Now with links (just one for each, I could provide several).

Em

 

[KaizerWolf]

Read the other points I made. I have no idea why cuck should be treated more fairly than other kinks / kink combinations.

Em

Obviously, there is some subjectively to this, but it's because it's so polarizing. It's the same as Water Sports, as you aptly pointed out, as well as why there are categories for Anal, Taboo, BDSM, and so many others.

Some topics are liked more generally, or at least not 'strongly disliked' generally. Lesbian is generally not 'strongly disliked' by most people, and it shows up as a common theme in all other categories. There have been actual studies showing that, not only do men generally like lesbians, but a lot of women watch lesbian porn, even if they aren't lesbian or otherwise bisexual in real life (self-disclosed by them).

You mentioned other combinations, such as Lesbian and BDSM, but that combination is not going to trigger extreme outrage ('usually,' please keep in mind that I'm speaking of generalizations here), compared to something like Water Sports, which can absolutely cause extreme negatively and should also have its own category.

Honestly, I'm not trying to argue you with you. I'm just trying to explain my position, and why I feel like certain 'tags' do actually merit the special treatment. I mean, imagine if there wasn't a Taboo category? That would be problematic, and the issues that arose would be exactly the same as the current situation with Cuckolding and Water Sports.

One way to view it is this: Does this particular subject have enough interest to result in a 'thriving ecosystem' of new submissions and user interest? AND (in addition to that) Is it polarizing enough that it would benefit having it's own section so users could avoid it?

For Lesbian x BDSM, I'd say yes to the first part, but no to the second question.

For something like Water Sports, it's a yes and yes.

Same for Taboo and Loving wives (yes and yes), but obviously those are already categories.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Obviously, there is some subjectively to this, but it's because it's so polarizing. It's the same as Water Sports, as you aptly pointed out, as well as why there are categories for Anal, Taboo, BDSM, and so many others.

Some topics are liked more generally, or at least not 'strongly disliked' generally. Lesbian is generally not 'strongly disliked' by most people, and it shows up as a common theme in all other categories. There have been actual studies showing that, not only do men generally like lesbians, but a lot of women watch lesbian porn, even if they aren't lesbian or otherwise bisexual in real life (self-disclosed by them).

You mentioned other combinations, such as Lesbian and BDSM, but that combination is not going to trigger extreme outrage ('usually,' please keep in mind that I'm speaking of generalizations here), compared to something like Water Sports, which can absolutely cause extreme negatively and should also have its own category.

Honestly, I'm not trying to argue you with you. I'm just trying to explain my position, and why I feel like certain 'tags' do actually merit the special treatment. I mean, imagine if there wasn't a Taboo category? That would be problematic, and the issues that arose would be exactly the same as the current situation with Cuckolding and Water Sports.

One way to view it is this: Does this particular subject have enough interest to result in a 'thriving ecosystem' of new submissions and user interest? AND (in addition to that) Is it polarizing enough that it would benefit having it's own section so users could avoid it?

For Lesbian x BDSM, I'd say yes to the first part, but no to the second question.

For something like Water Sports, it's a yes and yes.

Same for Taboo and Loving wives (yes and yes), but obviously those are already categories.

I know what you are saying, hun.

But my point is that cuck is no more or less polarizing than other things. I’d support it as a category if that was part of an overall relook at the concept.

If that led to a schism of LW into incel and regular human being parts, so much the better.

Em

 

[KaizerWolf]

If that led to a schism of LW into incel and regular human being parts, so much the better.

LOL, I'm not sure that's possible no matter what they do.

 

[EmilyMiller]

LOL, I'm not sure that's possible no matter what they do.

Nuke ‘em from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.

Em

 

[Euphony]

LOL, I'm not sure that's possible no matter what they do.

Cockroaches aren't leaving a building b/c one unit sprays.

If not in LW, they'll go to some other apartment.

Whichever apartment we sacrifice to them will be "unfair" to its inhabitants.

LW may be containing a spreader event into multiple categories for all we know.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Cockroaches aren't leaving a building b/c one unit sprays.

If not in LW, they'll go to some other apartment.

Whichever apartment we sacrifice to them will be "unfair" to its inhabitants.

LW may be containing a spreader event into multiple categories for all we know.

I’m so happy the are taking one (up the ass) for the team.

Em

 

[Euphony]

I’m so happy the are taking one (up the ass) for the team.

Em

Meh, I understand it but necessary evil in a way.

I find the dynamics of LW utterly FASCINATING but this is not the place for those kinds of stories. At least, not to cut your teeth on writing them/using feedback to take measure of how you're doing and/or getting better.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Meh, I understand it but necessary evil in a way.

I find the dynamics of LW utterly FASCINATING but this is not the place for those kinds of stories. At least, not to cut your teeth on writing them/using feedback to take measure of how you're doing and/or getting better.

I find myself unable to resist dropping an IED in there every now and again. Of course I get howitzers in return, but some things just have to be done.

Em

 

[Euphony]

I find myself unable to resist dropping an IED in there every now and again. Of course I get howitzers in return, but some things just have to be done.

Em

I just don't work that way these days. Not shade, just incongruent with my needs from writing RN.

And I really dig the craft of writing. So much so, I run aground if I don't have some sort of work or research curiorisity tailwinding me along.

A little poke the bears fun can be a critical part of a healthy balance. It's just those few souls that let it get away from them...

I get writing/publishing can't help but be an ego thing but the level to which some get wrapped up not just in their own ramblings here, but OTHERS, boggles my mind.

The work is hard enough without turning it into competition fuel for your ego to gorge itself on.

 

[lc69hunter]

(This request/discussion is for the benefit of readers, some of whom may have a desire to read this polarizing topic, but can’t easily find it. It's also for the benefit of readers who DON'T want to read this topic, and would prefer to not get invested in a story that they 'thought' was 'sharing,' only to have it become cucking.')

Let me start by saying that I’ve been posting on Lit for 3 years now and that I’ve written (not always published, but written) in all the main themes, including: Taboo, Loving Wives/Sharing, Group Sex, Lesbian/Romance, BDSM, Anal, etc. (again, I haven’t published everything I’ve written, but experimented with almost all the categories).

Anyway, I’ve noticed that there is nowhere ‘to go’ (to read or publish) Cuckold stories, if that’s something you want to read or write.

Which has resulted in cuckold stories sprinkled around everywhere (often with poor ratings).

I have seen some really good cuckold stories in Nonhuman that have gotten demolished (both with ratings and really negative comments).

I’ve also seen some amazing cuckold stories in Loving Wives and Taboo that have also gotten demolished with poor ratings and borderline-hateful comments. Sometimes these stories start off as normal ‘sharing/watching’ and they do okay at first, but the moment that the story progresses to actually cucking (which is absolutely not the same as sharing), then a lot of readers will get upset because ‘That’s not what they wanted.’ (And the really negative comments ensue, which can be really demoralizing for writers.)

And in general, if that’s something you want to read, then as a reader, it is very difficult to find such stories, because there is no ‘home’ for them on Lit. It’s a niche topic (though a very addicting one for those who like it), that has ended up sprinkled around everywhere.
And I don't believe that tags are really a solution in this case, because I think Cuckold is too popular (even if it is still very niche) and too polarizing. Like, you wouldn't want to put a Mind Control story in Loving Wives and 'tag it' as Mind Control, even if it otherwise 'fit' the Loving Wives theme. Instead, you would just put it in the Mind Control category, because Mind Control is a polarizing theme.

Now, as I’m sure you realize, the reason why such stories get review bombed is because cuckolding/cheating (which again, is absolutely not the same as sharing/swinging) is obviously extremely polarizing. Those who ‘like it’ actually LOVE it, and those who ‘do not like it’ usually HATE it with a passion.

So let's think about all readers here.

For those who 'hate' it, this has created a bad experience for them. They will start a story (perhaps it has tags, perhaps not), and start getting invested in the characters, only to run into a cuckold story that they did NOT want to read. And so they leave a bad rating and a hateful comment.

And for those who 'love' it, they search on Lit for such stories, and struggle to find what they are looking for, because these stories have ended up everywhere and often have different 'themes' emphasized in each, due to the current system.

Now, I hear some of you say, but there is ‘Loving Wives!’

But again, let’s think about this in terms of ‘readers.’

For readers, Loving Wives has become the place to go for either ‘Getting revenge on a cheating wife’ (shoutout to Rehnquist by the way, for writing one of my favorite stories on Lit), and/or to read about a man happily ‘sharing/swinging’ with the wife. Sometimes the revenge stories will have cucking in them, but that’s not the focus of the story. The goal of the story is for when the revenge comes, and she gets ‘what she deserves’ for cheating, and then the guy finds a new woman who is faithful and the story ends ‘happily ever after.’

If anything, the cucking added to a Loving Wives story is to make the eventual revenge 'sweeter' for the reader, but that’s very different than a story written where the cucking is the whole point of the story. Where that’s the end goal.

So yeah, if you throw a cuckold story on Loving Wives, where the actual goal of the story is to cheat on, and often be mean to (or humiliate), the person getting cucked (for the arousal of the reader), and it will absolutely get demolished with bad ratings and be demoralizing for the writer when they get hateful comments. Because this ‘niche fetish’ is just too polarizing for most.

Not to mention, not all cuckold stories will fit on Loving Wives. I mean, what if it’s a sister cucking her brother? Or a mother cucking her son? That has to go in Taboo, but it’s not going to be received well there either, because most readers want ‘loving’ relationships in Taboo.

Alternatively, someone who likes Cuckold stories will likely read any flavor of Cuckold, and if there was a Cuckold category, they'd probably binge every single story posted and love every single one, no matter who the characters were or what their relationship was.

The comments would also be more positive, and readers who 'did not' want to read a Cuckold story could more easily avoid it.

As one specific example (not going to name names in this case), I know of a writer on here who has actually shared her own personal stories (not just fiction), and also really likes writing stories that revolve around cuckolding, which she has said is largely because it evokes such powerful emotions in most readers.

And of course, her ‘real life stories’ (and her fiction) often get bad ratings and mean comments, even though the writing is honestly great. Like, her writing is professional quality, but the subject matter earns her sub-par ratings, because she has nowhere to put it where readers can go to find exactly what they are looking for.

And that’s really unfortunate. That a story can honestly be really good, but get bad ratings (and be difficult to find for readers), just because it’s a fetish that is very polarizing.

Now, if this is such a specific niche/fetish, why even care?

Well, in my opinion, I think the reason why it matters is because there are categories for other niches for the same reason. For example, Mind Control, Reluctance, and Gay Male are all fairly polarizing. Either you love it or hate it (there’s often not much in-between, as in there aren’t many people who can read such stories and ‘feel neutral’ while reading it – if you read a Reluctance story, you’re either going to be aroused OR feel like you’ve got a hole in the pit of your stomach – one or the other).

Perhaps cucking is even more polarizing than those, but I think that’s all the more reason for it to have its own home on Lit.

As it currently stands, I’ve seen it sprinkled in pretty much all the other categories, and often to the detriment of both readers and writers.

Anyway, I was very hesitant to post this, because I write a lot of fetishes and don't want to be known for a single fetish, but those are my thoughts on the topic.

What are yours?

Side Note: After I wrote this, I only then decided to do a search on the forums to see if anyone else had brought this up, and it turns out they have (but this request has never gone anywhere). So I know I'm not the only one who believes that Lit would benefit from having Cuckolding as a separate category. Of course, the response in the past has been 'a lot of authors use tags,' but honestly I don't think that's working as a good solution.

Too many readers who 'want to avoid' these kind of stories get invested in a story, and then get angry when it turns into cucking (often ignoring tags and author notes). And too many readers who 'like' these kinds of stories can't easily find them.

It would not change the scoring or the hatred. You can try and hide a story with non-monogamous activity of almost any sort between a husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, and the trolls will find it. Create a separate category called cuckold, and it would be like a giant banner, inviting them to come in and spew their foul crap

 

[EmilyMiller]

It would not change the scoring or the hatred. You can try and hide a story with non-monogamous activity of almost any sort between a husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, and the trolls will find it. Create a separate category called cuckold, and it would be like a giant banner, inviting them to come in and spew their foul crap

Very true.

Em

 

[lc69hunter]

I definitely agree with this, that there are many varieties, which is where tags would come in handy, and why I think that it being it's own category make sense. Because it basically has the same 'traits' as other polarizing categories (Taboo, Loving Wives, Anal, Reluctance, etc.).

I tend to like stories that feature cuckolding, sharing, stag/vixen, and even cheating, if done right. However this is where tags become important. If your tags include cages/chastity, extreme intentional humiliation by either the wife or the lover, I will not read them, as they are a separate fetish I have no interest in. If you don't tag, and I read it, I will give you a 1

 

[M_K_Babalon]

Thank you. And yeah, that's why I think they made Anal it's own category.

The reason why I think it needs to be it's own category is because there is a lot of variety. For example 'black bull' and 'male impotence' is one flavor combination, but there's also the variety where the husband getting cucked is handsome and the guy the woman is cheating on is ugly (but she evenstually falls in love due to the good sex, or something similar).

I could list out other variations, including taboo and reluctance variations, but you get the idea.



Yeah, I feel like Loving Wives isn't what it was really meant to be originally, and I think the reason why is because there's only the one category for several polarizing fetishes. Hence, this is part of the reason why I'm bringing the subject up.


You are probably right. And that's unfortunate, but figured it couldn't hurt to bring it up.

I guess cucking could be it's own catagory, yet there's about 4 or 5 it could go in, as is. I do find it weird that anal has it's own catagory and near offense at the idea of comparing a sexual identity to a mere sexual act. LW ain't really what it was meant to be, readers and some writers tend to focus on one aspect of it. It is what it is. Laurel and Manu probably aren't gonna be added catagories and as we've always known with them; ya get in where you fit in.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

I’ve been know to cover:

1. Lesbian
2. Anal
3. Fisting
4. Cheerleader fetish
5. Piss drinking
6. MFF threeesome

And that’s just Fishing Trip.

I don’t think any of my stories really fit into categories. We all have our crosses to bear.

Writing for categories is ridiculously constraining.

Em

I wouldn't say ridiculously constraining. It can pose limitations, but a decent writer can work within limitations and we know restraint is something everybody should practice. I'd say how constricting this site is, is kinda something you did to yourself, because you'll toss it all in the soup instead of saving some for the next meal. I call it getting carried away with the minds hyperactivity, and I've done that with the fan fics I've wrote, because the only limitations are fandoms-- even then there's crossovers. Lit doesn't lend to kindly to such writers, nor do a selection of readers.

I'm not saying you're a bad writer, or you're doing anything wrong. It's more that the site, with your current writing probably isn't a good fit for you. This site lives on some sort of order. We all have our "things"; some can't write [topic], some can't write short stories, some can't reel it in. I taught myself focus, so I could write under 10k words. I learned how to at least aim for the catagories here, much like I used ffn to exclude sex from stories, or hide the illegal sexual nature well enough. With other sites without real "constraints" I might catch myself making everything soup. If you keep looking at Lit like that, it won't be that fun. Looking at it as a challenge to help grow as a writer and the sites not that bad a place.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I wouldn't say ridiculously constraining. It can pose limitations, but a decent writer can work within limitations and we know restraint is something everybody should practice. I'd say how constricting this site is, is kinda something you did to yourself, because you'll toss it all in the soup instead of saving some for the next meal. I call it getting carried away with the minds hyperactivity, and I've done that with the fan fics I've wrote, because the only limitations are fandoms-- even then there's crossovers. Lit doesn't lend to kindly to such writers, nor do a selection of readers.

I'm not saying you're a bad writer, or you're doing anything wrong. It's more that the site, with your current writing probably isn't a good fit for you. This site lives on some sort of order. We all have our "things"; some can't write [topic], some can't write short stories, some can't reel it in. I taught myself focus, so I could write under 10k words. I learned how to at least aim for the catagories here, much like I used ffn to exclude sex from stories, or hide the illegal sexual nature well enough. With other sites without real "constraints" I might catch myself making everything soup. If you keep looking at Lit like that, it won't be that fun. Looking at it as a challenge to help grow as a writer and the sites not that bad a place.

I’m sure that was well-intentioned, but it was also kinda patronizing. I get by fine thanks. The idea of writing for views is icky. I write because I like it and at least some people like what I write. I have no desire to pander to audiences; particularly some audiences. I’m not looking to make money, just have fun.

But thanks anyway. As I say, I’m sure it was well-intentioned.

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

I wouldn't say ridiculously constraining. It can pose limitations, but a decent writer can work within limitations and we know restraint is something everybody should practice. I'd say how constricting this site is, is kinda something you did to yourself, because you'll toss it all in the soup instead of saving some for the next meal. I call it getting carried away with the minds hyperactivity, and I've done that with the fan fics I've wrote, because the only limitations are fandoms-- even then there's crossovers. Lit doesn't lend to kindly to such writers, nor do a selection of readers.

I'm not saying you're a bad writer, or you're doing anything wrong. It's more that the site, with your current writing probably isn't a good fit for you. This site lives on some sort of order. We all have our "things"; some can't write [topic], some can't write short stories, some can't reel it in. I taught myself focus, so I could write under 10k words. I learned how to at least aim for the catagories here, much like I used ffn to exclude sex from stories, or hide the illegal sexual nature well enough. With other sites without real "constraints" I might catch myself making everything soup. If you keep looking at Lit like that, it won't be that fun. Looking at it as a challenge to help grow as a writer and the sites not that bad a place.

I assume you must write under another username (or more than one) as you don’t appear to have any stories posted here.

Em

 

[M_K_Babalon]

I’m sure that was well-intentioned, but it was also kinda patronizing. I get by fine thanks. The idea of writing for views is icky. I write because I like it and at least some people like what I write. I have no desire to pander to audiences; particularly some audiences. I’m not looking to make money, just have fun.

But thanks anyway. As I say, I’m sure it was well-intentioned.

Em

You're right. I was niether trying to patronize you or Lit. Writing for views or pandering to readers are two things I'd never endorse, and wasn't my point. I don't even do that. I haven't had a chance to read your stuff yet, and that wasn't a slight on you either.

I assume you must write under another username (or more than one) as you don’t appear to have any stories posted here.

Em

I'm working on it. Right again. I've only ever had one account. I've said before that for my plans, I've wanted to eventually seperate my other name from what I write here, using some advice I've seen Keith and L68 give before. I'm still working things out. As you can see, I'm not being disengenuous by pretending I'm some newb or something. I'm @JaxRhapsody .

 

[EmilyMiller]

You're right. I was niether trying to patronize you or Lit. Writing for views or pandering to readers are two things I'd never endorse, and wasn't my point. I don't even do that. I haven't had a chance to read your stuff yet, and that wasn't a slight on you either.

I'm working on it. Right again. I've only ever had one account. I've said before that for my plans, I've wanted to eventually seperate my other name from what I write here, using some advice I've seen Keith and L68 give before. I'm still working things out. As you can see, I'm not being disengenuous by pretending I'm some newb or something. I'm @JaxRhapsody .

Hi hun,

So you found the one thing that Statler and Waldorf agree on ?

Do me a favor - read Jacob’s Progress or Mors Immatura and then tell me I don’t know how to write outside my kinks and within constraints.

Whether I choose to do so is another matter.

Em

 

[M_K_Babalon]

Hi hun,

So you found the one thing that Statler and Waldorf agree on ?

Do me a favor - read Jacob’s Progress or Mors Immatura and then tell me I don’t know how to write outside my kinks and within constraints.

Whether I choose to do so is another matter.

Em

That's why I wasn't trying to form a real opinion on your work, 'cause I ain't read it. Probably did a shit attempt at not doing that.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

I assume you must write under another username (or more than one) as you don’t appear to have any stories posted here.

Em

I just noticed that the first time I joined this site, it was also in November. Weird.

 

[KeithD]

I’m sure that was well-intentioned, but it was also kinda patronizing. I get by fine thanks. The idea of writing for views is icky. I write because I like it and at least some people like what I write. I have no desire to pander to audiences; particularly some audiences. I’m not looking to make money, just have fun.

But thanks anyway. As I say, I’m sure it was well-intentioned.

Em

Yep. I write the story I want to write and worry about the category and keywords later. If it doesn't fit with what Lit. publishes, I submit it elsewhere.

 

[NoTalentHack]

That assumes the anti-cuck partisans don't start hovering around the new cuck category.

I honestly don’t think they would. There’s a fair amount of homophobia, even in this day and age, but people don’t go into Gay Male looking to start a fight. Same thing with Incest. Cuck stuff mostly provokes the anti-cuck crowd because it doesn’t just stay in one category, I think. It does much better in Fetish, for example, than in LW. But I also think that it’s gotten too big as a fetish to not have its own dedicated category.

 

[NoTalentHack]

As someone who only writes cuckold and cheating stories, I agree with many of your points but not so much some of your premises. Given the polarization of both topics, I just consider nasty, abusive comments to be inevitable. I don't like being insulted, or one bombed, but maybe that's where having a humiliation fetish comes in handy.

I actually have a new cuckold story set to publish any day now and I put it in anal, for many of the reasons folks have brought up here about Loving Wives. I've cut my teeth there, though.

As far as commenters are concerned, the majority of my nasty comments come from the same small group of individuals, including some anonymous ones, who would follow me to any category just to rip me and one bomb me.

It does take a thick skin to publish these stories but the pay off is in the people who appreciate them.

I like good ratings but try to keep it in perspective. I'm writing for those who enjoy my stories.

I don't think a cuckold section would stop any of the hate or one bombing. And I disagree with the notion that cuckolds love all cuckold stories. I often get turned off to cuckold stories (and many others) and quickly move on.

There are many nuances to this kink, so many, that I know many other cuckold readers don't like my stories either. That's OK, though. I won't be leaving them insulting comments or one bomb them. I leave that to the haters.

On these other topics? Blowjobs in and of themselves are pretty neutral. It all comes down to who's giving, and who's receiving though!

Thank you for an absolutely reasonable and thoughtful take on the subject.