Domly patience and impatient subbies

[Ebonyfire]

Thanks. When I get to be a full grown subbie, I want to be like you.

Hey Eb, I know you choose your subs well. They must be patient to make the cut. Hope you had a great weekend. I wish I had been able to join you.

We had a great time, and it would have been even greater if we could have met up with you.

Maybe next time!

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thanks. When I get to be a full grown subbie, I want to be like you.

Thanks Des, but I have so much farther to go before I am anywhere near remotely resembling the model sub/slave. I am sure you will evolve into the unique sub you are meant to be, which in itself will be your Dominant's perfection, as well as your own.

Catalina

 

[Desdemona]

Thanks Des, but I have so much farther to go before I am anywhere near remotely resembling the model sub/slave. I am sure you will evolve into the unique sub you are meant to be, which in itself will be your Dominant's perfection, as well as your own.

Catalina

Catalina,
One can only hope. Thanks. I'm not sure we ever quit learning or growing. Every time I learn something or get comfortable with something, I see a long path lined with other steps yet to be taken. Its an adventure. I hope you enjoy your journey as much as I am enjoying mine. des

 

[James G 5]

If I gave the outward appearance of submitting, it became role play only to not feel that submission internally also, accepting the dictates of the Dominant. <snippety snip snip>

Catalina

For some people, they might have the DESIRE to submit but not have their minds in the right place yet
So it might be acting or roleplaying but with the INTENT on reaching that place
"Fake it till you make it" as it were
At that point, the struggle to submit is more truly a struggle agaisnt one's SELF
And the contest is to see if your desire will outweigh your fear

 

[catalina_francisco]

For some people, they might have the DESIRE to submit but not have their minds in the right place yet
So it might be acting or roleplaying but with the INTENT on reaching that place
"Fake it till you make it" as it were
At that point, the struggle to submit is more truly a struggle agaisnt one's SELF
And the contest is to see if your desire will outweigh your fear

This is true and for myself I am still far from satisfied with many aspects of my self though Master insists I am far too hard on myself.

C

 

[James G 5]

This is true and for myself I am still far from satisfied with many aspects of my self though Master insists I am far too hard on myself.

C

I'm by far my own harshest critic

 

[Peter2002]

An observation

Wonderful thread. A thought about role play and submission. Role play can be fun in and of itself. But it's also a way for a sub (or at least some subs) to give herself "permission" to submit -- especially in the begining. I think that is why words like "Daddy", "Sir", or "Master" provide a psychological bridge that can lead to greater physical, sexual, and emotional surrender. And thus more intense joy.

 

[James G 5]

Re: An observation

Wonderful thread. A thought about role play and submission. Role play can be fun in and of itself. But it's also a way for a sub (or at least some subs) to give herself "permission" to submit -- especially in the begining. I think that is why words like "Daddy", "Sir", or "Master" provide a psychological bridge that can lead to greater physical, sexual, and emotional surrender. And thus more intense joy.

yep, that's what I meant

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: An observation

Wonderful thread. A thought about role play and submission. Role play can be fun in and of itself. But it's also a way for a sub (or at least some subs) to give herself "permission" to submit -- especially in the begining. I think that is why words like "Daddy", "Sir", or "Master" provide a psychological bridge that can lead to greater physical, sexual, and emotional surrender. And thus more intense joy.

In contrast, role play does nothing for Me, and I do not have patience with subs who "waffle".

If a male sub has issuesabout submitting, I am not interested in him.

NO DRAMA

 

[James G 5]

Re: Re: An observation

In contrast, role play does nothing for Me, and I do not have patience with subs who "waffle".

If a male sub has issuesabout submitting, I am not interested in him.

NO DRAMA

There's a difference between issues/role play and someone who is striving to achieve true submission thru psychological means that might INVOLVE roleplay
For many people, their submission (or their Dominance for that matter!) is something they must learn & grow in to

 

[Ebonyfire]

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There's a difference between issues/role play and someone who is striving to achieve true submission thru psychological means that might INVOLVE roleplay
For many people, their submission (or their Dominance for that matter!) is something they must learn & grow in to

I want them AFTER they are grown. They can grow into submission with someone else.

 

[Mr. Bootie]

I hope my sub is reading this.

I looked up the word in the yahoo dictionary.: Submission - The act of submitting to the power of another. The state of being submissive or compliant; meekness.


This definition says nothing about whether the submission is easy or not. It just says that you comply with the other person's wishes.
I think you are right, it is a process or a journey. I have found over time that by starting out acting "as if", it became my reality. It is not a role playing exercise for me at all. While I strive for complete submission, I'm not perfect. Some days, its easy and natural, other days, I want my own way and struggle with impatience. Regardless, we do it His way. Always. I gave Him that power and would not retract it for anything. I believe that my submission is every bit as authentic as the submission of someone who doesn't have to struggle occasionally.

Does that make any sense?

I also have to agree with Eb's way of thinking (Boy, are we alike in so many levels. Welcome back Eb. )

I also think that a Dom has to have more patience than his sub. Since we are planning more and given more responsibilities we must think things through and see wherer we are going and how to get there. These things takes time and careful planning. Thus we must be patient and take the time to explore our options. Once we have a game plan, and know how we want a particular event to go, we can then share with our submissives what is going on. Untill then, the sub also has to show patience, and not be impatient. I think that when a sub becomes too impatient tend to be "topping" from the bottom. For me this will not be tolerated. In fact, it may bring the ultimate punishment from me. That is what a sub may fear the most. Thier Dom not speaking with them.

 

[catalina_francisco]

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I want them AFTER they are grown. They can grow into submission with someone else.

Can relate to this. Is part of why I made the decisions I did before finding Master, and not going through a succession of 'Masters' to find who I was.....I made sure I knew who I was and what I wanted before even beginning anything, so growing into it was a non issue. But I realise this is not the way for everyone. Just one of my many kinks, in depth self analysis, then analysis of the self analysis, then analysis of the analysis of the self analysis....LOL.

As for role play.....does nothing for me. Well actually it does but all bad and so is never something I have ever wanted in my life and fortunately Master feels the same. I am here for real, live my life for real, and though submission in certain circumstances may be far from automatically easy, that is just how I like it....challenging and authentic.

Catalina

 

[SierraMoon]

i am very impatient and nosey... not a good mix. It has gotten me into trouble with Him more than once. He has oodles of patience... not sure where it comes from, but i'm sure glad He does!!

i have a very curious side, that i let be known quite a bit. It isn't that i mean to "top from the bottom", although it is sometimes taken that way. There are times when i just want to remind Him of something..... Not a good thing to do, as i'm learning the hard way.

 

[James G 5]

i am very impatient and nosey... not a good mix. It has gotten me into trouble with Him more than once. He has oodles of patience... not sure where it comes from, but i'm sure glad He does!!

i have a very curious side, that i let be known quite a bit. It isn't that i mean to "top from the bottom", although it is sometimes taken that way. There are times when i just want to remind Him of something..... Not a good thing to do, as i'm learning the hard way.

That explains your location

 

[SierraMoon]

That explains your location

Exactly

 

[cellis]

i am very impatient and nosey... not a good mix. It has gotten me into trouble with Him more than once. He has oodles of patience... not sure where it comes from, but i'm sure glad He does!!

i have a very curious side, that i let be known quite a bit. It isn't that i mean to "top from the bottom", although it is sometimes taken that way. There are times when i just want to remind Him of something..... Not a good thing to do, as i'm learning the hard way.

I have been there a lot lately....

 

[Desdemona]

Sierra and Cellis, you have my complete sympathy. I was there not too long ago myself and I have no wish to return to that particular school.

 

[Peter2002]

Re: Re: An observation

In contrast, role play does nothing for Me, and I do not have patience with subs who "waffle".

If a male sub has issuesabout submitting, I am not interested in him.

NO DRAMA

EB: A perfectly legitimate point of view. You like yours housebroken, I like to take them there.

While I certainly enjoy the destination most all, I do enjoy the journey.

Best

 

[Ebonyfire]

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EB: A perfectly legitimate point of view. You like yours housebroken, I like to take them there.

While I certainly enjoy the destination most all, I do enjoy the journey.

Best

Oh there is a journey all right, it is just a different journey.

 

[Peter2002]

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Oh there is a journey all right, it is just a different journey.

Film at 11?

 

[Ebonyfire]

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Film at 11?

That needed a spew alert! LOL

 

[Desdemona]

Re: Re: Re: An observation

EB: A perfectly legitimate point of view. You like yours housebroken, I like to take them there.

While I certainly enjoy the destination most all, I do enjoy the journey.

Best

It's wonderful to have dominants around that enjoy the journey with novice subs.

I'm sure the experienced subs appreciate those like Eb, who prefer someone "full grown".

Diversity is pretty cool.

 

[James G 5]

Re: Re: Re: An observation

EB: A perfectly legitimate point of view. You like yours housebroken, I like to take them there.

Me too
That's why I keep plenty of rolled-up newspapers around

 

[Croctden]

I like to think of myself as fairly patient, but I do have a lightning quick temper (thankfully it rarely goes off, I'm working on it).

And as I believe I may mentioned before enjoy training a sub, no one elses tastes ingrained into her.