EPMD's Prose Poetry is Over Group

[twelveoone]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=254157&page=125
I think you missed a good one, and a wonderful bit of self abasement on my part.

Anyhow, when I said I was probably the most hated and feared person that ever showed up here, I wasn't fooling.

I agree with you guys to a point. But, I make another. Poetry is a big tent, but it don't need no preachers. Yea, I have walked though the valley of shit... ah never mind, you guys did the same...I have seen some of the "quality" ... it is better now.

vers libre

 

[UnderYourSpell]

We would like to point out that other opinions are available many at knock down prices this week, also available tall pointed caps with a large letter D for those who have no idea what the hells going on this thread

 

[bflagsst]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=254157&page=125
I think you missed a good one, and a wonderful bit of self abasement on my part.

Anyhow, when I said I was probably the most hated and feared person that ever showed up here, I wasn't fooling.

I agree with you guys to a point. But, I make another. Poetry is a big tent, but it don't need no preachers. Yea, I have walked though the valley of shit... ah never mind, you guys did the same...I have seen some of the "quality" ... it is better now.

vers libre

I think another poet here has been consistently polled as most 'hated/disliked', whatever that means on an internet message board anyway.

Most feared? Maybe PoetGuy or PoetGuy's former incantation; because he does ask difficult questions and his language isn't cryptic.

The triolet isn't any more useless or useful than any other form. If we can take something away from Chipbutty as an influential poet, it's that she uses small spaces to say new, interesting things.

As far as poetry preachers, I'm all for preachers and limiting factors; the exclusion of certain elements, the inclusion of specific metallic elements. Not to say that poetry is important at all, but the contemporary trend in poetry not on Literotica resembles prose and there's no room for any amount of formula, only a little room for glorifying our language. If I were to write a poem today, one that wasn't a nursery rhyme, it would be to specifically sound nothing like a prose-poem. <-- which is difficult, because I've read well and have been influenced by what is accepted this winter and any number of previous winters.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=254157&page=125
I think you missed a good one, and a wonderful bit of self abasement on my part.

Anyhow, when I said I was probably the most hated and feared person that ever showed up here, I wasn't fooling.

I agree with you guys to a point. But, I make another. Poetry is a big tent, but it don't need no preachers. Yea, I have walked though the valley of shit... ah never mind, you guys did the same...I have seen some of the "quality" ... it is better now.

vers libre

most misunderstood I would say and I admit I've been guilty of that in the past but I rather like you now ... sorry about that lol

 

[twelveoone]

I think another poet here has been consistently polled as most 'hated/disliked', whatever that means on an internet message board anyway.

Most feared? Maybe PoetGuy or PoetGuy's former incantation; because he does ask difficult questions and his language isn't cryptic.

The triolet isn't any more useless or useful than any other form. If we can take something away from Chipbutty as an influential poet, it's that she uses small spaces to say new, interesting things.

As far as poetry preachers, I'm all for preachers and limiting factors; the exclusion of certain elements, the inclusion of specific metallic elements. Not to say that poetry is important at all, but the contemporary trend in poetry not on Literotica resembles prose and there's no room for any amount of formula, only a little room for glorifying our language. If I were to write a poem today, one that wasn't a nursery rhyme, it would be to specifically sound nothing like a prose-poem. <-- which is difficult, because I've read well and have been influenced by what is accepted this winter and any number of previous winters.

yes, yes, yes
My Q. what have you done in the recent past? Is that too cryptic?
as far as I' m concerned this is all inert gases, in so far as producing nothing of any consequence. But here goes.

did you see Tess's poem? beat-boys? Was I wrong? Is that too cryptic?

and if anyone wants to lead a charge, shouldn't they grab a saber and get on a horse? Is that too cryptic?

instead of sitting in the stands and heckling, because you just met ty cobb.
that is cryptic.


As for Poetguy
namaste
that is cryptic

1,2,3 and 4 and 5

What I am saying is I agree with some of what you are saying, it would be better if you were more involved in the process, but when I see threads like this, which appear to be sniping from the sidelines, I tend to see nothing more than a form of self aggrandizement. Which is fine, we all do it, but I am asking you to do something a little more constructive.

maybe, yawl shoulda worked on the phrasin part a bit.

 

[bflagsst]

yes, yes, yes
My Q. what have you done in the recent past? Is that too cryptic?
as far as I' m concerned this is all inert gases, in so far as producing nothing of any consequence. But here goes.

did you see Tess's poem? beat-boys? Was I wrong? Is that too cryptic?

and if anyone wants to lead a charge, shouldn't they grab a saber and get on a horse? Is that too cryptic?

instead of sitting in the stands and heckling, because you just met ty cobb.
that is cryptic.


As for Poetguy
namaste
that is cryptic

1,2,3 and 4 and 5

What I am saying is I agree with some of what you are saying, it would be better if you were more involved in the process, but when I see threads like this, which appear to be sniping from the sidelines, I tend to see nothing more than a form of self aggrandizement. Which is fine, we all do it, but I am asking you to do something a little more constructive.

maybe, yawl shoulda worked on the phrasin part a bit.

In the recent past I've finished the first part of a phenomenal work of epic poetry. I'm working on the second and third stories. I think I understand the difference between prose and poetry better than most poets/writers. As I've written my story in verse and prose, having lived with the difficulty of transcribing poetic grammar to prosaic grammar and vice versa. Here is some information on it:

http://www.i.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=402275
http://jillianloman.blogspot.com/
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1885011288/a-verse-novella-poetry-meets-fictionagain?ref=live

I appeared at the surface for a day to promote the work, but ceased promoting on day 2 deciding against publishing the first book. I'm working on another poetic enterprise that is more like a poetry collection, but also quite like a storybook.

Oh, maybe you mean, "What is my contribution to Literotica?" That's childish, let me wipe your runny nose.

 

[twelveoone]

In the recent past I've finished the first part of a phenomenal work of epic poetry. I'm working on the second and third stories. I think I understand the difference between prose and poetry better than most poets/writers. As I've written my story in verse and prose, having lived with the difficulty of transcribing poetic grammar to prosaic grammar and vice versa. Here is some information on it:

http://www.i.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=402275
http://jillianloman.blogspot.com/
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1885011288/a-verse-novella-poetry-meets-fictionagain?ref=live

I appeared at the surface for a day to promote the work, but ceased promoting on day 2 deciding against publishing the first book. I'm working on another poetic enterprise that is more like a poetry collection, but also quite like a storybook.

Oh, maybe you mean, "What is my contribution to Literotica?" That's childish, let me wipe your runny nose.

now, now, I sees that as a bit of baitin.
maybe, yawl shoulda worked on the phrasin part a bit.

in the meantime, I will take a look at the links, and good luck.

 

[bflagsst]

now, now, I sees that as a bit of baitin.
maybe, yawl shoulda worked on the phrasin part a bit.

in the meantime, I will take a look at the links, and good luck.

As far as I can tell, your contribution to Literotica is one poem worth remembering. I don't know that I've ever read a critique of a poem among all your critiques of your fellow Lit poets. Most resemble:

Twelveoone02/20/11
*

are you Sirius? 100.

 

[twelveoone]

In the recent past I've finished the first part of a phenomenal work of epic poetry. I'm working on the second and third stories. I think I understand the difference between prose and poetry better than most poets/writers. As I've written my story in verse and prose, having lived with the difficulty of transcribing poetic grammar to prosaic grammar and vice versa. Here is some information on it:

http://www.i.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=402275
http://jillianloman.blogspot.com/
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1885011288/a-verse-novella-poetry-meets-fictionagain?ref=live

I appeared at the surface for a day to promote the work, but ceased promoting on day 2 deciding against publishing the first book. I'm working on another poetic enterprise that is more like a poetry collection, but also quite like a storybook.

Consider this a sort of replug, I took the "baiting" line out. Getting back to you as a quick post, a quick scan tells me it is of interest. What I've seen looks well done.
As said good luck!

 

[twelveoone]

bflagsst,
Consider this?

I hold that a long poem does not exist. I maintain that the phrase, "a long poem," is simply a flat contradiction in terms. - Poe
from
http://www.eapoe.org/works/essays/poetprnb.htm
I'm sure you are familiar with it
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=738243

Turns out two people posted it.
All I can say is it looks like an uphill battle.

 

[bflagsst]

bflagsst,
Consider this?

I hold that a long poem does not exist. I maintain that the phrase, "a long poem," is simply a flat contradiction in terms. - Poe
from
http://www.eapoe.org/works/essays/poetprnb.htm
I'm sure you are familiar with it
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=738243

Turns out two people posted it.
All I can say is it looks like an uphill battle.

Well, I'm more than familiar with that essay, and I really enjoy and stand behind it. The thing is, Poe's only familiar with long poetry as the uni-rhythm epics of Milton, Dante, possibly Pushkin. I'm actually stricter in my opinion that long poetry doesn't work. I think the Raven is too long, anything more than a couple dozen lines is pushing the attention span of someone in 2011. People could deal with longer rhythmic poetry in the 1830s. Poe probably couldn't comprehend Whitman.

That's why my attempt at (pseudo)epic poetry breaks up the rhythms, attempts to trick a common prose reader into thinking they're just reading a story and they don't have to pay as much attention. It certainly isn't the Aeneid or Annabel Lee, but I think it resembles both. Going between blank and free verse and throwing in a rhyming couplet isn't uncommon in poetry. I think most of us do it in our twelve to fourteen line poems.

My story-poem is prose-poetry, but it's not lazy because there's a story in full, and doesn't fit contemporary acceptability due to its length. When I posted the little bit of it here a couple years back no one commented. I thought maybe of all places someone at Lit would've commented on it. But I was mistaken.

 

[twelveoone]

As far as I can tell, your contribution to Literotica is one poem worth remembering. I don't know that I've ever read a critique of a poem among all your critiques of your fellow Lit poets. Most resemble:

Twelveoone02/20/11
*

are you Sirius? 100.

I tend to forget them too.


http://www.literotica.com/p/the-house-fly

 

[Epmd607]

In the recent past I've finished the first part of a phenomenal work of epic poetry. I'm working on the second and third stories. I think I understand the difference between prose and poetry better than most poets/writers. As I've written my story in verse and prose, having lived with the difficulty of transcribing poetic grammar to prosaic grammar and vice versa. Here is some information on it:

http://www.i.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=402275
http://jillianloman.blogspot.com/
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1885011288/a-verse-novella-poetry-meets-fictionagain?ref=live

I appeared at the surface for a day to promote the work, but ceased promoting on day 2 deciding against publishing the first book. I'm working on another poetic enterprise that is more like a poetry collection, but also quite like a storybook.

Oh, maybe you mean, "What is my contribution to Literotica?" That's childish, let me wipe your runny nose.

This is an excellent work. I'd recommend any poet who's interested in long poems to check it out. I've read the whole thing in print. It's a good story. It is categorically prose-poetry, for the most part. I see it as an invasive procedure into novel fiction.

 

[paul_chowder]

Poetry is prose in slow motion.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Poetry is prose in slow motion.

a lot of the poetry I've read hurtles along at a right old pace

 

[butters]

Poetry is prose in slow motion.

well that would depend upon the poetry in question. however, a lot of prose is an A-B journey, with occasional track-switches along the way for interest... the reaching the end of the track being the goal. poetry, on the other hand, is more a pebble dropped into a puddle - the ripples that move out in all directions, and overlap and affect others on meeting eachother or some obstacle.

how goes it slumming in the underbelly?

 

[twelveoone]

well that would depend upon the poetry in question. however, a lot of prose is an A-B journey, with occasional track-switches along the way for interest... the reaching the end of the track being the goal. poetry, on the other hand, is more a pebble dropped into a puddle - the ripples that move out in all directions, and overlap and affect others on meeting eachother or some obstacle.

how goes it slumming in the underbelly?

Turns out chipper ole buddy, so is a lot of verse, poetry. it is what I would define as linear.

As for pebbles dropped on poodles, that's a yap or two.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

well that would depend upon the poetry in question. however, a lot of prose is an A-B journey, with occasional track-switches along the way for interest... the reaching the end of the track being the goal. poetry, on the other hand, is more a pebble dropped into a puddle - the ripples that move out in all directions, and overlap and affect others on meeting eachother or some obstacle.

how goes it slumming in the underbelly?

I do so hope he doesn't mean we are were he is slumming it, as I could take great exception to that idea

 

[butters]

Turns out chipper ole buddy, so is a lot of verse, poetry. it is what I would define as linear.

As for pebbles dropped on poodles, that's a yap or two.

linear - that's how i see prose more than poetry, 1201. i suppose there are exceptions to every supposition

poodles in puddles aren't too keen either....

I do so hope he doesn't mean we are where he is slumming it, as I could take great exception to that idea

i think it was a reference to being on a porn site - it's how a lot of poets i knew from other places would view this site. but then they don't realise about how it is here, on the forum. i still regard this place as more a writing site than anything else, but then maybe it's because i don't haunt a lot of the shadier corridors once they, as a 'respectable' poet, come to understand how it is here, i am sure their pov will change i'm pretty sure the comment on their profile is also meant as humorous.

 

[paul_chowder]

a lot of the poetry I've read hurtles along at a right old pace

Poetry is a controlled refinement of sobbing. We've got to face that. And if that's true, do we want to give drugs so that people won't weep?

No, because if we do, poetry will die.

 

[twelveoone]

Poetry is a controlled refinement of sobbing. We've got to face that. And if that's true, do we want to give drugs so that people won't weep?

No, because if we do, poetry will die.

Poetry is controlled insanity

not extolled inanity

which is why
it tends to die

Damn, I'm good at this, maybe I should write somethin, nah, tried it, didn't work

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Poetry is a controlled refinement of sobbing. We've got to face that. And if that's true, do we want to give drugs so that people won't weep?

No, because if we do, poetry will die.

before I disagree entirely please define poetry as sobbing

 

[bogusagain]

before I disagree entirely please define poetry as sobbing

Why isn't there a thread called 'What is poetry?'

Maybe not, it will be a thread as long as a piece of string and we all know the length of a piece of string.

I am surprised that this thread is still going though but at least its stopped calling for the end of prose poetry and now we are into what is poetry. I can't say I agree that poetry is sobbing. I am reading yet another biography of Silvia Plath, the first in a decade or more. A good a poet as she was, her poetry isn't sobbing, its screaming and rather violent.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I was giving him a chance to explain what seemed a rather odd assumption and as I'm a lady I tend not to just say "Bullshit!" if I can help it

 

[bronzeage]

before I disagree entirely please define poetry as sobbing

I'll buy the metaphor (note the clever use of metaphor). A "sob" is an uncontrollable spasm of weeping. It is a reflex reaction to extreme emotional distress. It seldom lasts very long, and when it passes there is a sense of relief. It is most often the reaction to something which cannot be changed, a death or other irretrievable loss.

I won't say all poetry is sobbing, but it is the source of a lot of poetry.