For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

Even from 1949-1971, when the US supported Taiwan at the UN, the fact of the matter is that Taiwan's government (i.e. Chiang Kai-shek's government) had China's UN seat at that time. Chiang's government saw themselves as the real government of China and had recapturing the mainland from Mao Tse-tung's Communists as the main goal. They weren't about Taiwan independence.

Whatever the US still believes officially, i.e. supporting the One China Policy, they are obviously moving towards Taiwanese separatism as a way of waging another proxy war, this time against China, just as they have with meddling in Ukraine to do a proxy war against Russia. And they have the nerve to waste our taxpayer dollars on all this!

Taiwan should be an independent country.

But they aren't.

There's no indication that China will invade
...just a bunch of rightie dip shit speculation meant to fuck with the administration.

Our diplomatic efforts were screwed by the previous administration by pulling out of Africa and other places that China took advantage of....weakened our position.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The results as of late afternoon (Ukraine time), June 10 in Ukraine, after a major night offensive (1AM to 3AM) and a second push in the early morning by Ukrainian forces, were unsuccessful, and Ukrainian forces again incurred heavy losses. We don’t have numbers from either side yet.

More here From Larry Johnson (former CIA analyst and State Department Intel type) Here:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/reality-is-settling-zelensky-his-failed-offensive/

It's July 7th. Really acurate reporting here....*chuckles* miss that wrongway? Nah you never read your fucking c&p.

Speaking of invasions, it took how many days for the combined armies of the Allies to liberate Paris? Don't forget,the Allies had air superiority too, where as Ukraine doesn't...

 

[Buffalogurl]

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Quoted for posterity AND stupidity.

If Russia wins , there won’t be Ukrainian citizens anymore.

Also: Russia has been using cluster munitions against Ukraine the entire war,….er….”special military operation”. Ukraine has employed them as well.

“The New York Times has documented Russia's extensive use of cluster munitions in Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion in February 2022. Ukraine has also used them in efforts to retake Russian-occupied territories, according to human rights monitors, the United Nations, and reports from The Times.9 hours ago”

All that is required for the US to provide our cluster munitions to Ukraine is a Presidential waiver.

That ^ just happened.

The RWCJ “members” (Russian tools) can cry more now.





Slava Ukraini!!!

Now that you have your cluster munitions you've got a great start, but in order to be a proper war criminal you need nerve gas.... there was 435 wet eye nerve gas bombs in Utah. They were transferred from rocky mountain arsenal to a facility in Utah for either storage or disposable. I can't remember which. Ya might ask your good buddy Joe for those as well. If your gonna wage war get with it.....

 

[Buffalogurl]

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The odds just got a lot better with the approval of cluster munitions.

“The U.S. has a stockpile of cluster munitions containing about 1 billion submunitions.”

Those ^ will soon be raining down on those “180,000” - “highly trained” Russian troops massed at Russia’s western front. -

(Ironically, Russia’s jamming of the precision guided munitions likely played a role in the cluster munitions ultimately being approved.) -Oops.

ATACMS, F-16s, additional air defense, armored vehicles, etc, etc, also improve the odds.

I know that ^ makes the Russian sympathizers super sadsies, but that’s reality.





Slava Ukraini!!!

I really don't care if Zelensky and his band of nazis and the Russians want to kill each other, get after it. Three things, quit begging us for fighting equipment and money and leave my soldiers/my people out of your hot mess. Nearly all of us have had enough of war. fuck me to tears....

 

[Rightguide]

Uh oh, Comrade RG Vetteman is a little triggered when intelligent people doubt his Russian sympathizer propaganda.

Too bad, so sad.

Leave it to you to be the least intelligent and completely full of shit.

 

[Rightguide]

What your neglecting is the illegal Chinese aliens that in reality are soldiers in the Chinese military...... do you really believe the Chinese government doesn't have a 5th column here?...... welp all I can say is you are in for a rude surprise..

She has no clue. There are a ton of single military-aged males that have invaded the country over the Southern border many from the Middle East and from other places like Venezuela. This is the Left building a revolutionary army to unleash on the streets of America in 2024.

 

[ll74]

She has no clue. There are a ton of single military-aged males that have invaded the country over the Southern border many from the Middle East and from other places like Venezuela. This is the Left building a revolutionary army to unleash on the streets of America in 2024.

Fear mongers and Putin apologists have no clue.

You said Taiwan would be invaded six months ago.

 

[Rightguide]

The moment NATO officially enters the conflict the collective West will find out where all the production capacity was send to over the last 40 years.
Essentially, the USA is being invaded right now and they can't even find the energy to send the Army to protect the border. The Army may exist and even be 'ready' but if you are just unwilling to use it, what is the point of having it?
Anyway, the reason for NATO in Europe is money, simple as that.

Nato countries do not want to fight a ground war with Russia. It's insanity, but Joe Biden himself is unbalanced, but the point of our support in Ukraine is to throw Ukrainian lives at the Russians, not American lives. There is no way the American people or the Pentagon can tolerate the amount of body bags such a war on the ground in Europe would bring home. More Ukrainians have been killed in Ukraine in the last year and a half than the US lost in the European Theater in all of WWII.

 

[Rightguide]

Biden closes door to NATO for Ukraine, says war with Russia must end first​

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By Anders Hagstrom | Fox News

Ukraine's war with Russia must conclude before the country can join NATO, President Biden said in an interview that aired Sunday.

Biden made the statement during a taped conversation with CNN, saying there is no agreement within NATO on when to allow Ukraine to join the military alliance. Biden also noted certain issues with Ukraine's eligibility, such as a lack of democratization.

"I think we have to lay out a rational path for Ukraine to be able to qualify to be able to get into NATO," Biden told CNN.

"I don’t think there is unanimity in NATO about whether or not to bring Ukraine into the NATO family now, at this moment, in the middle of a war," Biden said. "For example, if you did that, then, you know – and I mean what I say – we’re determined to commit every inch of territory that is NATO territory. It’s a commitment that we’ve all made no matter what. If the war is going on, then we’re all in war. We’re at war with Russia, if that were the case."

More here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-closes-door-nato-ukraine-says-war-russia-must-end-first

Somebody is starting to wake up to the fact that adding Ukraine to Nato would be a declaration of war with Russia, and as I've said before nobody in Europe wants a ground war with the Russians, they want a negotiated end to the war, despite what Zelensky, Victoria Nuland, and Blackrock fantasize about. The question is, at this point will Russia negotiate or just finish the job and go all the way to the Polish border? It's clear they aren't going to give up the Donbas or Crimea.

 

[LLCox]

Biden closes door to NATO for Ukraine, says war with Russia must end first​

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By Anders Hagstrom | Fox News

Ukraine's war with Russia must conclude before the country can join NATO, President Biden said in an interview that aired Sunday.

Biden made the statement during a taped conversation with CNN, saying there is no agreement within NATO on when to allow Ukraine to join the military alliance. Biden also noted certain issues with Ukraine's eligibility, such as a lack of democratization.

"I think we have to lay out a rational path for Ukraine to be able to qualify to be able to get into NATO," Biden told CNN.

"I don’t think there is unanimity in NATO about whether or not to bring Ukraine into the NATO family now, at this moment, in the middle of a war," Biden said. "For example, if you did that, then, you know – and I mean what I say – we’re determined to commit every inch of territory that is NATO territory. It’s a commitment that we’ve all made no matter what. If the war is going on, then we’re all in war. We’re at war with Russia, if that were the case."

More here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-closes-door-nato-ukraine-says-war-russia-must-end-first

Somebody is starting to wake up to the fact that adding Ukraine to Nato would be a declaration of war with Russia, and as I've said before nobody in Europe wants a ground war with the Russians, they want a negotiated end to the war, despite what Zelensky, Victoria Nuland, and Blackrock fantasize about. The question is, at this point will Russia negotiate or just finish the job and go all the way to the Polish border? It's clear they aren't going to give up the Donbas or Crimea.

Why buy the cow when you are already fucking it.

 

[ll74]

Biden closes door to NATO for Ukraine, says war with Russia must end first​

​

By Anders Hagstrom | Fox News

Ukraine's war with Russia must conclude before the country can join NATO, President Biden said in an interview that aired Sunday.

Biden made the statement during a taped conversation with CNN, saying there is no agreement within NATO on when to allow Ukraine to join the military alliance. Biden also noted certain issues with Ukraine's eligibility, such as a lack of democratization.

"I think we have to lay out a rational path for Ukraine to be able to qualify to be able to get into NATO," Biden told CNN.

"I don’t think there is unanimity in NATO about whether or not to bring Ukraine into the NATO family now, at this moment, in the middle of a war," Biden said. "For example, if you did that, then, you know – and I mean what I say – we’re determined to commit every inch of territory that is NATO territory. It’s a commitment that we’ve all made no matter what. If the war is going on, then we’re all in war. We’re at war with Russia, if that were the case."

More here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-closes-door-nato-ukraine-says-war-russia-must-end-first

Somebody is starting to wake up to the fact that adding Ukraine to Nato would be a declaration of war with Russia, and as I've said before nobody in Europe wants a ground war with the Russians, they want a negotiated end to the war, despite what Zelensky, Victoria Nuland, and Blackrock fantasize about. The question is, at this point will Russia negotiate or just finish the job and go all the way to the Polish border? It's clear they aren't going to give up the Donbas or Crimea.

Biden hasn't changed his position on the matter. Graham is the one who has.

 

[Rightguide]

Why by the cow when you are already fucking it.

We actually own Ukraine as we speak. We are paying their bills. We've paid off their debt. We are paying the retirement benefits of the Ukrainian people, we are funding their defense, we are paying the pensions and funding the healthcare of Ukrainian refugess, and funding corrupt people in Ukraine:

As of 10 Jul 2023, the US is providing $5.5 billion in aid to Ukraine, including $4.5 billion in budgetary support and $1 billion in military assistance. The funding will fund urgent government needs, including payments for pensions, social welfare, and healthcare costs.0 A 29-second video clip claiming to show Joe Biden saying some of the financial support from the US could be used to support the pensions of Ukrainians went viral in Feb 2023.2 The funding will go to the Ukraine government in tranches, beginning with a $3 billion disbursement in August.0 Retirees from Ukraine who arrived in the US after the outbreak of full-scale war will be able to receive the government's Supplemental Security Income (SSI) pension.1

reuters.com
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visitukraine.today
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verifythis.com
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We are funding their perverts as well, a big priority of the White House:


MARCH 24, 2022

FACT SHEET: The Biden Administration Announces New Humanitarian, Development, and Democracy Assistance to Ukraine and the Surrounding Region​

1. HOME
2. BRIEFING ROOM
3. STATEMENTS AND RELEASES

The United States is proud to be the largest single donor of humanitarian, democracy, and human rights assistance to Ukraine, working closely with our European partners. We remain committed to ensuring those affected by President Putin’s war of aggression, especially vulnerable populations such as women, children, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTQI+) persons, and persons with disabilities, are able to access food, clean water, shelter, and medical care. In addition to assisting people in need within Ukraine, we are supporting the efforts of Ukraine’s neighbors and the European Union to welcome and host millions of refugees. And we will do our part to welcome Ukrainians to the United States.

Today, the United States is announcing that we are prepared to provide more than $1 billion in new funding towards humanitarian assistance for those affected by Russia’s war in Ukraine and its severe impacts around the world, including a marked rise in food insecurity, over the coming months. This funding will provide food, shelter, clean water, medical supplies and other forms of assistance. We are also announcing an additional $320 million in democracy and human rights funding to Ukraine and its neighbors. Since 2021, the United States has provided over $1.1 billion in economic, health, democracy and human rights, and humanitarian assistance to the Europe and Eurasia region.

In addition to our humanitarian assistance, the United States continues to support public health initiatives in Ukraine and the region to tamp down the spread of communicable diseases like polio, tuberculosis, and COVID, and to help ensure patients continue to have access to medical care. And we remain committed to defending and strengthening democratic governance, human rights, and the fight against corruption in Ukraine and its neighbors, as together we reject autocracy and aggression.

• Providing refuge to Displaced Ukrainians. While we expect many Ukrainians will choose to remain in Europe close to family and their homes in Ukraine, today, the United States is announcing plans to welcome up to 100,000 Ukrainians and others fleeing Russia’s aggression through the full range of legal pathways, including the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program. In particular, we are working to expand and develop new programs with a focus on welcoming Ukrainians who have family members in the United States. The United States and the European Union are also coordinating closely to ensure that these efforts, and other forms of humanitarian admission or transfers, are complementary and provide much-needed support to Ukraine’s neighbors.

More here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...stance-to-ukraine-and-the-surrounding-region/

In fact, we are taking better care of foreigners than we are our own people.

 

[LLCox]

Today, the United States is announcing that we are prepared to provide more than $1 billion in new funding towards humanitarian assistance for those affected by Russia’s war in Ukraine and its severe impacts around the world, including a marked rise in food insecurity, over the coming months. This funding will provide food, shelter, clean water, medical supplies and other forms of assistance. We are also announcing an additional $320 million in democracy and human rights funding to Ukraine and its neighbors. Since 2021, the United States has provided over $1.1 billion in economic, health, democracy and human rights, and humanitarian assistance to the Europe and Eurasia region.

"We are prepared to provide" ... Don't count your chickens...

 

[RandyRebecca]

It's outrageous how they keep spending our taxpayer dollars on that bottomless pit in Ukraine, or Taiwan, or Syria, or Afghanistan, or Iraq, or wherever.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I agree with Biden’s position to not let Ukraine join NATO at this time.

 

[LLCox]

It's outrageous how they keep spending our taxpayer dollars on that bottomless pit in Ukraine, or Taiwan, or Syria, or Afghanistan, or Iraq, or wherever.

I'm pretty sure they don't believe there will be any great great grandchildren to have to pay it back. They are borrowing from a future that isn't there.

 

[ll74]

I'm pretty sure they don't believe there will be any great great grandchildren to have to pay it back. They are borrowing from a future that isn't there.

Many of the righties on this board (and some lefties) have explained how our country is in the death throes currently. So why would they be concerned with paying anything back?

 

[Rightguide]

I agree with Biden’s position to not let Ukraine join NATO at this time.

Me too to do so would be an invitation to WWIII.

 

[ll74]

I agree with Biden’s position to not let Ukraine join NATO at this time.

Me too to do so would be an invitation to WWIII.

Quoted for posterity.....BDS freaks agreeing with Biden.

 

[Rightguide]

Zelensky slams Biden’s ‘unprecedented and absurd’ stance on NATO membership​

By
Steven Nelson
July 11, 2023 8:17am

VILNIUS, Lithuania — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tore into NATO leaders including President Biden on Tuesday for not extending membership to his war-torn country — introducing fresh diplomatic drama into the annual gathering of the military alliance’s leaders.

Zelensky slammed the reticence as “weakness” and “absurd” just moments after Biden referred to the development of new language regarding his country’s potential NATO ascension.

“Now, on the way to Vilnius, we received signals that certain wording is being discussed without Ukraine. And I would like to emphasize that this wordxfing is about the invitation to become NATO member, not about Ukraine’s membership,” Zelensky tweeted.

“It’s unprecedented and absurd when a time frame is not set neither for the invitation nor for Ukraine’s membership. While at the same time vague wording about ‘conditions’ is added even for inviting Ukraine.”

More Zelensky insolence here: https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/zelensky-slams-weakness-of-absurd-biden-stance-on-nato/

Does this sound like a guy who's grateful for over a hundred billion in American aid? Or does it sound like a guy who "expects" to get everything he asks for because he's holding something over Joe Biden's head? I say fuck this little prick.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Zelensky doesn't seem to get it. The US will fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood. Ukraine joining NATO would massively increase the chance of a direct confrontation between the US and Russia, which is what Zelensky wants of course.

 

[ll74]

Zelensky slams Biden’s ‘unprecedented and absurd’ stance on NATO membership​

By
Steven Nelson
July 11, 2023 8:17am

VILNIUS, Lithuania — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tore into NATO leaders including President Biden on Tuesday for not extending membership to his war-torn country — introducing fresh diplomatic drama into the annual gathering of the military alliance’s leaders.

Zelensky slammed the reticence as “weakness” and “absurd” just moments after Biden referred to the development of new language regarding his country’s potential NATO ascension.

“Now, on the way to Vilnius, we received signals that certain wording is being discussed without Ukraine. And I would like to emphasize that this wordxfing is about the invitation to become NATO member, not about Ukraine’s membership,” Zelensky tweeted.

“It’s unprecedented and absurd when a time frame is not set neither for the invitation nor for Ukraine’s membership. While at the same time vague wording about ‘conditions’ is added even for inviting Ukraine.”

More Zelensky insolence here: https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/zelensky-slams-weakness-of-absurd-biden-stance-on-nato/

Does this sound like a guy who's grateful for over a hundred billion in American aid? Or does it sound like a guy who "expects" to get everything he asks for because he's holding something over Joe Biden's head? I say fuck this little prick.

Of course he does. If he didn't, he wouldn't be a good President

 

[Rightguide]

Here's the truth of it all in the last four paragraphs, but do read it all:

Ukraine should never be admitted to NATO
Kyiv is demanding that the alliance give it something to walk away with at Vilnius. Will it succumb?
JULY 11, 2023
Written by
Ivan Eland

The American media, often with historical amnesia, has focused on the evil nature of Russian President Vladimir Putin as the only cause of Moscow’s diabolical invasion of Ukraine, whitewashing NATO’s continued expansion up to Russia’s borders, and its flirtation with expanding into what Russia regards as a culturally and strategically vital Ukraine.

Even repressive autocrats, such as Putin, can have legitimate security concerns. Russia’s flat terrain to its west has led to many invasions by European armies, the last one by Nazi Germany in World War II, which led to the utter destruction of what was then the western Soviet Union and the deaths of 25 to 30 million Soviet citizens.

Ukraine should never be admitted to NATO. It is a country much more strategic to nearby Russia than to NATO and especially to the faraway United States. The military power of the United States greatly exceeds any of its European allies and is already expected, in addition to its global commitments, to defend 30 NATO countries, some already far forward near Russia, which has a GDP only the size of Texas.

The United States is not only already overextended militarily but also economically: combined, the now wealthy European countries have a GDP larger than that of the United States. Instead of moving toward a commitment to defend a 32nd alliance member by rushing the process to eventually admit another country on an already weakened Russia’s border, the United States should be shifting the financial burden of the Ukraine war — as well as the entire defense of Europe — to rich Europeans.

The full article here: https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/07/11/why-ukraine-should-never-be-admitted-to-nato/

About the author:

Ivan R. Eland is Senior Fellow at the Independent Institute and Director of the Independent Institute’s Center on Peace & Liberty. Previously he was Director of Defense Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, and he spent 15 years working for Congress on national security issues, including stints as an investigator for the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Principal Defense Analyst at the Congressional Budget Office. He is the author of several books, the most recent, War and the Rogue Presidency: Restoring the Republic after Congressional Failure.

 

[Rightguide]

Zelensky doesn't seem to get it. The US will fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood. Ukraine joining NATO would massively increase the chance of a direct confrontation between the US and Russia, which is what Zelensky wants of course.

Many Americans don't get it either now that our MSM is but an agency of the United States government reporting Ukrainian propaganda sans the actual facts on the battlefield.

 

[ll74]

Here's the truth of it all in the last four paragraphs, but do read it all:

Ukraine should never be admitted to NATO
Kyiv is demanding that the alliance give it something to walk away with at Vilnius. Will it succumb?
JULY 11, 2023
Written by
Ivan Eland

The American media, often with historical amnesia, has focused on the evil nature of Russian President Vladimir Putin as the only cause of Moscow’s diabolical invasion of Ukraine, whitewashing NATO’s continued expansion up to Russia’s borders, and its flirtation with expanding into what Russia regards as a culturally and strategically vital Ukraine.

Even repressive autocrats, such as Putin, can have legitimate security concerns. Russia’s flat terrain to its west has led to many invasions by European armies, the last one by Nazi Germany in World War II, which led to the utter destruction of what was then the western Soviet Union and the deaths of 25 to 30 million Soviet citizens.

Ukraine should never be admitted to NATO. It is a country much more strategic to nearby Russia than to NATO and especially to the faraway United States. The military power of the United States greatly exceeds any of its European allies and is already expected, in addition to its global commitments, to defend 30 NATO countries, some already far forward near Russia, which has a GDP only the size of Texas.

The United States is not only already overextended militarily but also economically: combined, the now wealthy European countries have a GDP larger than that of the United States. Instead of moving toward a commitment to defend a 32nd alliance member by rushing the process to eventually admit another country on an already weakened Russia’s border, the United States should be shifting the financial burden of the Ukraine war — as well as the entire defense of Europe — to rich Europeans.

The full article here: https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/07/11/why-ukraine-should-never-be-admitted-to-nato/

About the author:

Ivan R. Eland is Senior Fellow at the Independent Institute and Director of the Independent Institute’s Center on Peace & Liberty. Previously he was Director of Defense Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, and he spent 15 years working for Congress on national security issues, including stints as an investigator for the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Principal Defense Analyst at the Congressional Budget Office. He is the author of several books, the most recent, War and the Rogue Presidency: Restoring the Republic after Congressional Failure.

He's welcome to his opinion. NATO is a defensive alliance and is open for countries to apply. Russia and China threaten the stability of the global economy daily.