For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

The unrest in Odessa was due to the country revolting against Russian interests. It is a natural unrest rather than targeted
Absolutely false. It was an attack by the far right (Ukrainian equivalent of white superemacists) burning down a trade union building and killing everyone inside. It seems Ukrainian white supremacists induce a sense of nostalgia in Democrats, back to the days when they supported Jim Crow laws at home.
 
Absolutely false. It was an attack by the far right (Ukrainian equivalent of white superemacists) burning down a trade union building and killing everyone inside. It seems Ukrainian white supremacists induce a sense of nostalgia in Democrats, back to the days when they supported Jim Crow laws at home.
Bullshit you believe Putins propaganda. Get Putin's cock out of your mouth for a minute.

Pro Putin forces didn't like the country deciding to be Independent and attacked those who supported the effort
 
Absolutely false. It was an attack by the far right (Ukrainian equivalent of white superemacists) burning down a trade union building and killing everyone inside. It seems Ukrainian white supremacists induce a sense of nostalgia in Democrats, back to the days when they supported Jim Crow laws at home.

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Bullshit you believe Putins propaganda. Get Putin's cock out of your mouth for a minute.

Pro Putin forces didn't like the country deciding to be Independent and attacked those who supported the effort
Are you denying that the Odessa burning happened? You claim it's all "Putin propaganda"?
 
Russia had operatives in Odessa actively fighting against the government.
That's all you have to say about far right neonazis in Ukraine burning down a trade union building and killing everyone inside or beating them to death on the ground outside as they tried to escape? You dismiss it because some Russian spies are operating in Ukraine?
 
That's all you have to say about far right neonazis in Ukraine burning down a trade union building and killing everyone inside or beating them to death on the ground outside as they tried to escape? You dismiss it because some Russian spies are operating in Ukraine?
No, I am not, like you, taking the event out of context to obfuscate the truth. The trade union building was defended by pro Russian forces who were actively involved in fighting pro Ukranian forces.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire

Which is why I mentioned operatives.

But you keep on with your narrative. Make sure you give Putin a little ass play as well...I heard he likes that
 
No, I am not, like you, taking the event out of context to obfuscate the truth. The trade union building was defended by pro Russian forces who were actively involved in fighting pro Ukranian forces.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire

Which is why I mentioned operatives.

But you keep on with your narrative. Make sure you give Putin a little ass play as well...I heard he likes that
Defended by anti-fascist trade unionists and martyrs who you have smeared!

Do you back the Waffen SS and UPA against the Red Army and Partisans in WW2?
 
Defended by anti-fascist trade unionists and martyrs who you have smeared!

Do you back the Waffen SS and UPA against the Red Army and Partisans in WW2?
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(Quoted for posterity and denial of verity).

After reading(?) that article “Becky” STILL continues with the Putin propaganda.

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ACTUAL Ukrainians organized group actions once they realized that Russia had no intention of honoring Ukrainian independence, and had co-opted parts of government, conducting a “soft” coup that included the de facto localized “annexation” of Ukrainian territory / buildings as a prelude to the complete domination of the nation.

Interesting how “Becky” omitted the dead Ukrainians and the Russian operatives who were shooting, and throwing Molotov cocktails and masonry from the rooftops at the Ukrainian crowd below them.

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(Quoted for posterity and denial of verity).

After reading(?) that article “Becky” STILL continues with the Putin propaganda.

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ACTUAL Ukrainians organized group actions once they realized that Russia had no intention of honoring Ukrainian independence, and had co-opted parts of government, conducting a “soft” coup that included the de facto localized “annexation” of Ukrainian territory / buildings as a prelude to the complete domination of the nation.

Interesting how “Becky” omitted the dead Ukrainians and the Russian operatives who were shooting, and throwing Molotov cocktails and masonry from the rooftops at the Ukrainian crowd below them.

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Absolute nonsense. The Donbass republics were formed (and unrecognized by Russia until February 2022) by anti-fascists fighting the Russophobic Ukrainian forces. You seriously think that the ethnic Russians in the Donbass would just stand by while they are attacked and killed by Ukraine's far right battallions?

And The Guardian? Really? That's the British version of the corporate Democrats and DINOs.
 
Defended by anti-fascist trade unionists and martyrs who you have smeared!

Do you back the Waffen SS and UPA against the Red Army and Partisans in WW2?
Russia Supporters who were previously attacking Ukranian forces.

They were in a country and attacking it. What the fuck do you think would happen to them?

I back Ukraine being Ukraine without Russia invading and attacking them to make them Russia.
 
And we are STILL not doing enough to help them, and we slow-tracked aid back a year ago, when if we'd fast-tracked it, the ZSU would have had the weapons to really hammer the Orcs before they managed to put their fortification lines in. And we are STILL slow-tracking F16's.
Not our monkey, not our circus, now if you want to go and fight be my guest. Just don't steal my money, nor get my soldiers killed fighting for the nazi Zelensky....
 
Bolton does not mince words in his OpEd published in the WSJ and his points are exactly right. It’s paywalled but here are some key quotes:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/blame-...-security-a62d9899?mod=hp_opin_pos_3#cxrecs_s

Far from being inevitable, the Ukrainians’ inability to achieve major advances is the natural result of a U.S. strategy aimed only at staving off Russian conquest. Instead, President Biden needs to start vigorously working toward Ukrainian victory.

Ukraine’s offensive failures and Russia’s defensive successes share a common cause: the slow, faltering, nonstrategic supply of military assistance by the West. The serial debates over whether to supply this or that weapons system, the perpetual fear that Russia will escalate to war against the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and occasional Kremlin nuclear saber-rattling have instilled a paralyzing caution in Western capitals.

This hesitancy is a product of successful deterrence by the Kremlin, not American strategic necessity.

The administration’s timid, haphazard approach to aid has fractured U.S. public support.

More Ukrainian military progress may come as the offensive continues, but it’s vital that the Biden administration start formulating a new strategy. The White House must make midcourse corrections to its strategic errors of the past 18 months if it’s to bolster domestic U.S. support for Ukraine and revitalize and broaden the anti-Russia coalition. It’s time to get moving.
 
More Ukrainian military progress may come as the offensive continues, but it’s vital that the Biden administration start formulating a new strategy. The White House must make midcourse corrections to its strategic errors of the past 18 months if it’s to bolster domestic U.S. support for Ukraine and revitalize and broaden the anti-Russia coalition. It’s time to get moving.
The issue here is that there is a big % of Republicans who will oppose ANYTHING Biden does, because he's (a) a corrupt SOB, (b) a compulsive liar and (c) a puppet for whoever is pulling his strings and (d) there are a raft of internal US issues he has not addressed or has made worse, all while pouring large amounts of aid into Ukraine in a half-assed manner while antagonizing half of America to the point where it's a knee-jerk reaction to oppose ANYTHING the SOB does.

He's completely failed to build cross-party and domestic support on issue which should be easy and its unlikely the Biden Mis-administration will in fact make any midcourse corrections. They drag their feet on everything, and it's almost as if their support is intended to use Ukraine to bleed Russia out while making it difficult for Ukraine to achieve the victory they won't stop fighting until they get.

Putin meanwhile is playing for time, counting on Trump being elected and NOT continuing support for Ukraine at the level its at now.

The kicker here is, Ukraine is making progress and could well pull a few rabbits out of the head as they grind down the Russian Army.
 
Bolton does not mince words in his OpEd published in the WSJ and his points are exactly right. It’s paywalled but here are some key quotes:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/blame-...-security-a62d9899?mod=hp_opin_pos_3#cxrecs_s

Far from being inevitable, the Ukrainians’ inability to achieve major advances is the natural result of a U.S. strategy aimed only at staving off Russian conquest. Instead, President Biden needs to start vigorously working toward Ukrainian victory.
LOL. And how does Bolton propose to do that? Russia are nuclear armed and this has become an existential war for them. Bolton is deluded and very dangerous. 100-year-old Henry Kissinger is far saner at this point.
 
No need to argue this case for the Ukrainians any further:

Hersh: Antony Blinken “Figured Out US Will Not Win War” After CIA Told Him “Ukraine Offense Not Going to Work”​

By Richard Abelson Aug. 20, 2023 8:15 am

The CIA warned US Secretary of State Antony Blinken that “the Ukrainian offense was not going to work,“ reports veteran journalist Seymour Hersh. The end of the Biden Regime’s “murderous and failing war policy in Ukraine” is near, Hersh wrote.

Hersh cites an unnamed intel official who said that SecState Antony Blinken “has figured out that the United States” and Ukraine “will not win the war” against Russia. On Thursday, the Washington Post reported the U.S. intel community realizes the Ukrainian offensive will fail to achieve its key goal of taking the southeastern city of Melitopol, a strategic Russian logistics hub.

“The word was getting to (Blinken) through the Agency that the Ukrainian offense was not going to work. It was a show by Zelensky and there were some in the administration who believed his bullshit,“ Hersh’s source said.

“Blinken wanted to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine as Kissinger did in Paris to end the Vietnam war,” according to the official.

Much more here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/hersh-antony-blinken-figured-us-will-not-win/

The handwriting has been on the wall for months now. Today it is reality.
 
No need to argue this case for the Ukrainians any further:

Hersh: Antony Blinken “Figured Out US Will Not Win War” After CIA Told Him “Ukraine Offense Not Going to Work”​

By Richard Abelson Aug. 20, 2023 8:15 am

The CIA warned US Secretary of State Antony Blinken that “the Ukrainian offense was not going to work,“ reports veteran journalist Seymour Hersh. The end of the Biden Regime’s “murderous and failing war policy in Ukraine” is near, Hersh wrote.

Hersh cites an unnamed intel official who said that SecState Antony Blinken “has figured out that the United States” and Ukraine “will not win the war” against Russia. On Thursday, the Washington Post reported the U.S. intel community realizes the Ukrainian offensive will fail to achieve its key goal of taking the southeastern city of Melitopol, a strategic Russian logistics hub.

“The word was getting to (Blinken) through the Agency that the Ukrainian offense was not going to work. It was a show by Zelensky and there were some in the administration who believed his bullshit,“ Hersh’s source said.

“Blinken wanted to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine as Kissinger did in Paris to end the Vietnam war,” according to the official.

Much more here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/hersh-antony-blinken-figured-us-will-not-win/

The handwriting has been on the wall for months now. Today it is reality.
Look another conservative “source”.

So glad you get all this information from “journalists” who aren’t looking for anything but things to own the libs. Who needs journalistic standards when the MAGA readers will buy anything being sold to them as long as it seems like it makes them winners. That’s not news.. and either you know that and don’t care (which is your choice) or you just don’t get it. I think it’s even money on both of those.

Do you look at the about us sections and if they say conservative then you believe them? The bias to start by openly saying you are looking at stories from that perspective to start is the problem.

Try harder please.
 
Look another conservative “source”.

So glad you get all this information from “journalists” who aren’t looking for anything but things to own the libs. Who needs journalistic standards when the MAGA readers will buy anything being sold to them as long as it seems like it makes them winners. That’s not news.. and either you know that and don’t care (which is your choice) or you just don’t get it. I think it’s even money on both of those.

Do you look at the about us sections and if they say conservative then you believe them? The bias to start by openly saying you are looking at stories from that perspective to start is the problem.

Try harder please.

Yeah, Seymour Hersh is a confirmed traitor and Russian / Syrian / Arab disinformation mouthpiece.

Here’s a good article exposing that POS for what he has become:

https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/seymour-hersh-nord-stream/

JFC

SAD!!!
 
Look another conservative “source”.

So glad you get all this information from “journalists” who aren’t looking for anything but things to own the libs. Who needs journalistic standards when the MAGA readers will buy anything being sold to them as long as it seems like it makes them winners. That’s not news.. and either you know that and don’t care (which is your choice) or you just don’t get it. I think it’s even money on both of those.

Do you look at the about us sections and if they say conservative then you believe them? The bias to start by openly saying you are looking at stories from that perspective to start is the problem.

Try harder please.
Try harder not to be an idiot. The article is about an article written by Seymour Hersh, a well-known lifelong left-wing Democrat, Search "Seymour Hersh" and check out his bona fides as a conservative journalist and report back.
 
Try harder not to be an idiot. The article is about an article written by Seymour Hersh, a well-known lifelong left-wing Democrat, Search "Seymour Hersh" and check out his bona fides as a conservative journalist and report back.
So he is a conservative journalist only looking at things as a conservative. Enough said.

Don’t need to look into it. He has a clear bias as he starts the process, not worth looking into it.
 
Try harder not to be an idiot. The article is about an article written by Seymour Hersh, a well-known lifelong left-wing Democrat, Search "Seymour Hersh" and check out his bona fides as a conservative journalist and report back.

(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

Someone obviously didn’t get the memo on Seymour Hersh’s fall from grace as a journalist.

See here:

https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/seymour-hersh-nord-stream/

Hope that ^ helps.

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(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

Someone obviously didn’t get the memo on Seymour Hersh’s fall from grace as a journalist.

See here:

https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/seymour-hersh-nord-stream/

Hope that ^ helps.

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Wait, so you are saying… he is a fraud? But wrong guide still loves him because it makes him feel good?

He does have his freedoms… freedom to be ignorant of legit facts is one of those freedoms.
 
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