For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

Capitalists wage war for corporate profits, trade routes and spheres of influence, not concern for humanity.

He's not a capitalist.

You know why I oppose Euromaidan Ukraine and its far right battalions in the national guard, and why I oppose NATO's proxy war of fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

So you don't care that people die.

Got it.

No wonder you support Putin.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

And we're supposed to believe that all those government ministers didn't know what they were doing? What about Canada's history of letting Waffen-SS militia settle there after WW2, and the fascist monuments? The Canadian ruling class today is so confused that they don't seem to realize that Canada was on the side of the Soviet Union, USA, UK and China in WW2, i.e. the Allies. The Nazis were our enemies.

No the others didn't know. The speaker chose the person, and there was no vetting of the information. Now if you want to go into the weeds on what happened after WW2 to soldiers etc of the Third Reich, maybe clean your own house first...

No histrionics. Fascism is evil, and the "support Ukraine" people turn a blind eye to the fascism,

Yes you're full of histrionics,and bias towards Russia. STFU and move there if you think you've got it so bad in the US.

Do the warmongering Democrats in America care about what they are supporting?

Yes they do, they care about freedom. They understand the only answer is to fight back when freedom is being taken away.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

So you don't care that people die.

Got it.

No IT doesn't.

 

[RandyRebecca]

He's not a capitalist.

Putin? Yes, he is. This isn't the Soviet Union, you know. It's capitalist Russia since 1993 at the latest. Putin represents the section of Russian oligarchs who privatized and looted the Soviet economy in the 1990s but who saw the decade as an embarrassment and disaster for Russia as a world power, unlike the pro-US Yeltsin faction. Putin therefore represents the "strong man" return of leader.

So you don't care that people die.

The capitalists don't and I explained why they wage war. US warmongers and their puppets in NATO supported the Euromaidan coup in Ukraine and its killing of Ukrainians of ethnic Russian origin in the Donbass (some 13,000+ before the February 2022 invasion), showed contempt for the Minsk Accords which would have seen Ukraine lose ONLY Crimea and parts of the Donbass, not about 80+% of the Black Sea coast like if the war ended today. Former Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, is on record as saying the Minsk Accords were about buying time for Ukraine to arm themselves. https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/12/...d-be-a-pretext-for-an-international-tribunal/

The Biden administration wanted this war, have led the Ukrainians into a disaster, all because of their proxy ambitions against Russia, and you say that I don't care that people die? NATO are like those WW1 generals ordering soldiers "over the top" to their deaths.

Got it.

I still don't think that you get it.

No wonder you support Putin.

I don't, as I keep telling you. I'm a socialist.

 

[RandyRebecca]

No the others didn't know.

Staggering incompetence if that's true. I mean, STAGGERING! Think about it, you invite a (98-year-old?) member of the Waffen-SS into parliament and all those politicians laud him as a "Ukrainian hero" for the world to see, and they didn't have any clue about his background?! They think the current anti-Russian nonsense means that people lose all sight of history, of how evil the Nazis were and are.

 

[ll74]

Putin? Yes, he is. This isn't the Soviet Union, you know. It's capitalist Russia since 1993 at the latest. Putin represents the section of Russian oligarchs who privatized and looted the Soviet economy in the 1990s but who saw the decade as an embarrassment and disaster for Russia as a world power, unlike the pro-US Yeltsin faction. Putin therefore represents the "strong man" return of leader.

He's an autocratic dictator.

His economy is over regulated for capitalism.

The capitalists don't and I explained why they wage war. US warmongers and their puppets in NATO supported the Euromaidan coup in Ukraine and its killing of Ukrainians of ethnic Russian origin in the Donbass (some 13,000+ before the February 2022 invasion), showed contempt for the Minsk Accords which would have seen Ukraine lose ONLY Crimea and parts of the Donbass, not about 80+% of the Black Sea coast like if the war ended today.

I was talking about you specifically.

The Biden administration wanted this war, have led the Ukrainians into a disaster, all because of their proxy ambitions against Russia, and you say that I don't care that people die? NATO are like those WW1 generals ordering soldiers "over the top" to their deaths.

They did not want this war and told Putin not to initiate it.

I still don't think that you get it.

Awesome for you.

I don't, as I keep telling you. I'm a socialist.

You want Ukraine to surrender.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Staggering incompetence if that's true. I mean, STAGGERING! Think about it, you invite a (98-year-old?) member of the Waffen-SS into parliament and all those politicians laud him as a "Ukrainian hero" for the world to see, and they didn't have any clue about his background?! They think the current anti-Russian nonsense means that people lose all sight of history, of how evil the Nazis were and are.

You're really uninformed. The others ( meaning the members of the house) didn't even know the person's name prior to the "ceremony" "...I mean I have no love for Trudeau, and his party, but fuck, at least I know what happened.

 

[RandyRebecca]

He's an autocratic dictator.

His economy is over regulated for capitalism.

Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. The French Revolution of 1789-1794 and even Napoleon's dictatorship in France (1799-1814, 1815) was capitalism during its youth (and therefore strong and confident), Hitler's dictatorship in Germany/Europe (1933-1945) was capitalism during a rotting decline. You think neo-liberal market capitalism is the only form? That form of capitalism collapsed in 2008 really, and has been kept on life support by federal and state bailouts. This is basically socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the rest of us.

I was talking about you specifically.

About what? I opposed Euromaidan from the beginning, which was backed by the Obama administration that Biden was vice president in, not to mention Republican senators McCain and Graham being out in Ukraine at the time. A cosy club there.

They did not want this war and told Putin not to initiate it.

So what were the war games all about on Russia's borders then, which broke Bush Sr.'s promise to Gorbachev about NATO not expanding eastwards? Why the contempt for the Minsk Accords? For the laughs?

Awesome for you.


You want Ukraine to surrender.

I don't want any more of our federal taxes going out there, and I believe the majority of Americans now agree with me on this.

 

[ll74]

Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. The French Revolution and even Napoleon's dictatorship in France was capitalism during its youth (and therefore strong and confident), Hitler's dictatorship in Germany/Europe was capitalism during a rotting decline. You think neo-liberal market capitalism is the only form? That form of capitalism collapsed in 2008 really, and has been kept on life support by federal and state bailouts. This is basically socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the rest of us.

I know what capitalism is. Putin controls most of Russia.

About what? I opposed Euromaidan from the beginning, which was backed by the Obama administration that Biden was vice president in, not to mention Republican senators McCain and Graham being out in Ukraine at the time. A cosy club there.

You don't care that people die. You said so in your previous comment.

So what were the war games all about on Russia's borders then, which broke Bush Sr.'s promise to Gorbachev about NATO not expanding eastwards? Why the contempt for the Minsk Accords? For the laughs?

War exercises are meant to be a show of force to prevent conflict.

I don't want anymore of our federal taxes going out there, and I believe the majority of Americans now agree with me on this.

You want Ukraine to surrender.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I know what capitalism is. Putin controls most of Russia.


You don't care that people die. You said so in your previous comment.

Capitalists sure do like to accuse people of things that only they themselves are guilty of. It's they who don't care for people's lives, don't care for "democracy", "freedom", "liberty" or any of that, and only care about corporate profits, trade routes and spheres of influence. In the present case, they dream of fatally weakening Russia, and splitting the country up in the style of Yugoslavia, and then move on to China with the same methods using Taiwan, Xinjiang and Hong Kong.

This is aimed at splitting Russia and European countries from trade agreements, and dividing Russia and China, all so US imperialism keeps its world hegemony, which is also used against American workers. People? They are seen as collateral damage.

 

[ll74]

Capitalists sure do like to accuse people of things that only they themselves are guilty of. It's they who don't care for people's lives, don't care for "democracy", "freedom", "liberty" or any of that, and only care about corporate profits, trade routes and spheres of influence. In the present case, they dream of fatally weakening Russia, and splitting the country up in the style of Yugoslavia, and then move on to China with the same methods using Taiwan, Xinjiang and Hong Kong.

Good speech dude

 

[RandyRebecca]

Good speech dude

Dude? LOL.

A word of advice. Try seriously debating, and not deflecting when you lose

How many deflections have you, and others like Lazaran, done now? Dude, Putin cocksucker, Russian bot/spy, I mean really

 

[ll74]

Dude? LOL.

A word of advice. Try seriously debating, and not deflecting when you lose

How many deflections have you, and others like Lazaran, done now? Dude, Putin cocksucker, Russian bot/spy, I mean really

I'll keep that in mind if that happens.

Your speech didn't address anything I said, so deflection became projection in one post...neat!

 

[Lazaran]

Did you support the Canadian federal parliament applauding the Waffen-SS man Yaroslav Hunka as a "Ukrainian hero"?

It left me wondering where Elizabeth Jennings and Hannibal Lecter are when we need them, to show how fascists are dealt with.

"Becky" apparently thinks because some Canadian fucked up and put some random Ukrainian fascist from WWII up for applause, that it proves "something"?



"Becky" is apparently suggesting that Canada is currently a fascist nation because of that one recent fuck up.



"Becky" also seems to suggest in another post that ALL Ukrainians are fascists because of a small minority of right wing militants, and thus, Ukraine is undeserving of promised US assistance in defense of its sovereignty.



"Becky" continues to make the case against EVER electing a far left politician for ANY leadership position in government.



"Becky"



Side note:

"Becky" / "Buffy" STILL haven’t accepted my challenge and offered up a full throated, detailed condemnation of the murderous, fascist, barbaric Putin regime and Russia.

I wonder why???



"Becky" / "Buffy"



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[ShandyLeer]

Capitalists sure do like to accuse people of things that only they themselves are guilty of. It's they who don't care for people's lives, don't care for "democracy", "freedom", "liberty" or any of that, and only care about corporate profits, trade routes and spheres of influence. In the present case, they dream of fatally weakening Russia, and splitting the country up in the style of Yugoslavia, and then move on to China with the same methods using Taiwan, Xinjiang and Hong Kong.

This is aimed at splitting Russia and European countries from trade agreements, and dividing Russia and China, all so US imperialism keeps its world hegemony, which is also used against American workers. People? They are seen as collateral damage.

Barking fucking mad, and paranoid to boot. Capitalism has done more to fix poverty than you can possibly conceive.

As for the war in Ukraine give your head a shake and enquire of yourself why your turning a blind eye to war crimes and blatant, unprovoked aggression.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

"Becky" apparently thinks because some Canadian fucked up and put some random Ukrainian fascist from WWII up for applause, that it proves "something"?



"Becky" is apparently suggesting that Canada is currently a fascist nation because of that one recent fuck up.



"Becky" also seems to suggest in another post that ALL Ukrainians are fascists because of a small minority of right wing militants, and thus, Ukraine is undeserving of promised US assistance in defense of its sovereignty.



"Becky" continues to make the case against EVER electing a far left politician for ANY leadership position in government.



"Becky"



Side note:

"Becky" / "Buffy" STILL haven’t accepted my challenge and offered up a full throated, detailed condemnation of the murderous, fascist, barbaric Putin regime and Russia.

I wonder why???



"Becky" / "Buffy"



Slava Ukraini!!!

Yep bekky needs to move to the USSR....oh wait that country doesn't exist anymore....kind of like Ukraine didn't exist before 1992 (1991)...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Barking fucking mad, and paranoid to boot. Capitalism has done more to fix poverty than you can possibly conceive.

As for the war in Ukraine give your head a shake and enquire of yourself why your turning a blind eye to war crimes and blatant, unprovoked aggression.

lol yes "it" is....and Bekky laughs and rolls her eyes at our posts, kind of like some escapee from the asylum...

 

[ShandyLeer]

lol yes "it" is....and Bekky laughs and rolls her eyes at our posts, kind of like some escapee from the asylum...

Becky needs to fuck off. And when she gets there fuck off a bit further.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yep bekky needs to move to the USSR....oh wait that country doesn't exist anymore....kind of like Ukraine didn't exist before 1992 (1991)...

Perhaps you should explain why Putin regularly attacks Lenin for giving Ukraine autonomy, then.

Becky needs to fuck off. And when she gets there fuck off a bit further.

Show us your true colors, along with the absurd delusion that the invasion of Ukraine was "unprovoked", an accusation which insults the intelligence of all but the most stupid and naive.

 

[RandyRebecca]

lol yes "it" is....and Bekky laughs and rolls her eyes at our posts, kind of like some escapee from the asylum...

I laugh because it's fucking funny, and the astounding mixture of ignorance, delusions and deflections.

 

[lovecraft68]

There's billions of reasons why we're there.

The same people who were happy to leave the women of Afghanistan to be dragged back into the dark ages because we couldn't afford it and people were profiting from it are the same people who have no issue with funneling billions into a war that's also not ours and more than half of it is unaccounted for.

PM of Ukraine traveling around the world with his hand out and playing martyr while he keeps billions and kicks even more back to his cohorts.

But hey...look....Trump tweeted something!

 

[ShandyLeer]

Perhaps you should explain why Putin regularly attacks Lenin for giving Ukraine autonomy, then.


Show us your true colors, along with the absurd delusion that the invasion of Ukraine was "unprovoked", an accusation which insults the intelligence of all but the most stupid and naive.

Get to fuck you imbecile.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Perhaps you should explain why Putin regularly attacks Lenin for giving Ukraine autonomy, then.

I don't speak for Putin. I also don't give any thing Putin says much credibility. Why don't you just move there and suck his cock. That might settle him down.

Show us your true colors, along with the absurd delusion that the invasion of Ukraine was "unprovoked", an accusation which insults the intelligence of all but the most stupid and naive.

Totally unhinged comment, from a totally unhinged person...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I laugh because it's fucking funny, and the astounding mixture of ignorance, delusions and deflections.

Yes I get lunatics laugh a lot, thanks for confirming my suspicions.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yes I get lunatics laugh a lot, thanks for confirming my suspicions.

I have an idea. How about we cease all personal attacks, smears and deflections, and just debate the political matters here politely?