For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[RandyRebecca]

^^^ Lot of horseshit there. What hysterical western claims? Putins plans to take Kyiv and install a puppet government in the first few days failed miserably. And the reason they appear comfortable holding territory is only because they can’t advance.

While it's true that the Russians failed to take Kiev early in the war, the Russians currently hold all of the Black Sea coastal areas east of the Dnieper river. That is the most important factor in the war, not taking the whole of Ukraine. Time is also on the Russians' side. They can dig their heels in and pick off the Ukrainian forces until something snaps in either Ukraine or in NATO, with a US presidential election coming up soon and as opposition to the war among people in western countries rises.

At this point, the best case scenario for Russia would be to go west of the Dnieper river, take Odessa, landlock Ukraine and control land running from Russia proper all the way down the Black Sea coast to Transnistria/Moldova, and leave the Euromaidan regime in Kiev to be the EU's mess. This would be much more preferable for the Russians than invading and occupying hostile anti-Russian areas in western Ukraine. Why choose the latter and have what Napoleon Bonaparte termed an "ulcer"?

And what's victory for Ukraine? Returning to the 2013 borders, or at the bare minimum to the Minsk Accords that the Euromaidan regime and NATO ahowed such contempt for before the Russian invasion when they were killing people in the Donbass. What are the chances of Ukraine achieving their definition of "winning"? Ask the warmongers in the Pentagon and CIA.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Those Canadian jerks of MPs knew everything, Trudeau included.

The "jerks" all 305 them knew what, when? Laughable.

But coming from the person who claims the Ukrainians are also Nazi's, not unexpected.

I'd ask you for a citation proving what you think, but I know that's not possible, and I really don't give a shit what you think, you're a fucking conspiracy nut, and that's me giving my nice opinion. I posted yesterday what I actually think of you.

BTW you ducked and ran for cover from my comparing you to Albright fast, didn't you. *chuckles*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

^
I broke "Becky".

Sorry Laz, becky was already broken....

I don’t feel good about it, but…

Ah, who am I kidding.

Fuck "Becky".

No way my dick would go near anything that crazy!!!!

"Becky"



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[RandyRebecca]

The "jerks" all 305 them knew what, when? Laughable.

But coming from the person who claims the Ukrainians are also Nazi's, not unexpected.

I'd ask you for a citation proving what you think, but I know that's not possible, and I really don't give a shit what you think, you're a fucking conspiracy nut, and that's me giving my nice opinion. I posted yesterday what I actually think of you.

BTW you ducked and ran for cover from my comparing you to Albright fast, didn't you. *chuckles*

Why bother? You'd just attack any source I'd cite. You've picked your side, i.e. neonazi filth. That's as low as it gets, alongside scabs.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Why bother? You'd just attack any source I'd cite.

Actually I'd be interested in seeing a source. I truly doubt you can find one, not even from some far out rightwing blog...

You've picked your side, i.e. neonazi filth.

LOL thanks for the complement

That's as low as it gets, alongside scabs.

Another complement, again, you're the one who is saying exactly what Albright did, the means justify the ends, while thousands of children have been killed or watched their parents be killed and then kidnapped from their country and sent to Russia. Yes you're that piece of shit Becky....feel free to call me what you will. I am not the one who is cheering that on, and saying hey, just let Putin do what the fuck he wants with Ukraine!

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-soldiers-kill-ukraine-children-documentary-war/#:~:text=KYIV — Russia's army has killed,February 2022, Ukrainian prosecutors say.

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...dnapping-abducting-ukrainian-children/674535/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/russian-war-crimes-ukraine

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Madeleine Albright famously said in 1996 that the deaths of half a million Iraqi children from sanctions and depleted uranium use in US bombs dropped on Iraq was all worth it. Such compassion from another Democrat.

For Becky, I wonder how the fuck she can sleep at night!!

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2...ine-war-images-capture-a-year-of-war-russia-u

 

[Lazaran]

Sorry Laz, becky was already broken....

No way my dick would go near anything that crazy!!!!

Fair enough,; but I’m pretty sure I broke "Becky" significantly MORE than before.

“Shattered” might be the better word.



"Becky"



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[Buffalogurl]

^
I broke "Becky".

I don’t feel good about it, but…

Ah, who am I kidding.

Fuck "Becky".



"Becky"



Slava Ukraini!!!

No, no Lazaran I'm right here.... I'm far and away from being "broke" sweetie...... please continue posting about all of the gains the Ukrainian military are making.....
I do believe your statement about freedom or death, nukes don't even scare them......
Do you understand the "tell" in this statement? ............

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No, no Lazaran I'm right here.... I'm far and away from being "broke" sweetie...... please continue posting about all of the gains the Ukrainian military are making.....
I do believe your statement about freedom or death, nukes don't even scare them......
Do you understand the "tell" in this statement? ............

You're not Becky...you're Buffy......god you're dense.

Either that, or you just outed yourself......*chuckles*

 

[Buffalogurl]

So there you have it. Russia says it so it must be so. You know what other "nuclear weapons" emit radiation? X-rays, cell phones, radar, tanning beds, microwave ovens to name a few. I can't get over your statement, "and more importantly president Putin and the Russian government". Why are you so supportive of them?

The statement you can't get over, that you believe is in support of president Putin... what I'm stating is just because you don't believe depleted uranium is a nuclear weapon. Doesn't mean president Putin has the same belief as you have about depleted uranium. That's a dangerous assumption. As a matter of fact president Putin and the Russian government has publicly stated that the Russian government classifies depleted uranium as a nuclear weapon....
For the record I don't support either the Ukrainians or the Russians, not my monkey, not my circus. Especially sending money to a foreign country while 350,000 vets that served America remain homeless in this nation ....

 

[jomar]

While it's true that the Russians failed to take Kiev early in the war, the Russians currently hold all of the Black Sea coastal areas east of the Dnieper river. That is the most important factor in the war, not taking the whole of Ukraine. Time is also on the Russians' side. They can dig their heels in and pick off the Ukrainian forces until something snaps in either Ukraine or in NATO, with a US presidential election coming up soon and as opposition to the war among people in western countries rises.

At this point, the best case scenario for Russia would be to go west of the Dnieper river, take Odessa, landlock Ukraine and control land running from Russia proper all the way down the Black Sea coast to Transnistria/Moldova, and leave the Euromaidan regime in Kiev to be the EU's mess. This would be much more preferable for the Russians than invading and occupying hostile anti-Russian areas in western Ukraine. Why choose the latter and have what Napoleon Bonaparte termed an "ulcer"?

And what's victory for Ukraine? Returning to the 2013 borders, or at the bare minimum to the Minsk Accords that the Euromaidan regime and NATO ahowed such contempt for before the Russian invasion when they were killing people in the Donbass. What are the chances of Ukraine achieving their definition of "winning"? Ask the warmongers in the Pentagon and CIA.

*tweet* goalpost move! The original and most important goal of the war was for Russia to conquer the whole of Ukraine. Victory for Ukraine is getting back to the borders before any Russian incursions

 

[VinnyVeritas]

That was a foolish policy from the beginning and it should be ended.

It's always been international and political lip service designed to save Chinese "face" for the sake of diplomacy and not actual practice.

 

[Rightguide]

^^^ Lot of horseshit there. What hysterical western claims? Putins plans to take Kyiv and install a puppet government in the first few days failed miserably. And the reason they appear comfortable holding territory is only because they can’t advance.

Learn how to read. That's the NYTs setting you up for negotiation they have come to realize has to happen before Ukraine and Joe Biden are humiliated with defeat.

 

[Rightguide]

*tweet* goalpost move! The original and most important goal of the war was for Russia to conquer the whole of Ukraine. Victory for Ukraine is getting back to the borders before any Russian incursions

That was never the goal you idiot.

 

[Lazaran]

That was never the goal you idiot.

^
(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

Yeah, Putin’s invading murderous Russian war criminals moved on Kyiv because they weren’t intent on taking over Ukraine.



"Right"guide

 

[JohnEngelman]

It's always been international and political lip service designed to save Chinese "face" for the sake of diplomacy and not actual practice.

The existence of Taiwan is threatening to the Communist masters of the mainland, because Taiwan demonstrated that the Chinese people are capable of maintaining a free, democratic country with a much higher standard of living than what exists on the mainland of China.

 

[LLCox]

The Ukes and ruskies traded droning each others power plants and sub stations over night.

 

[jomar]

That was never the goal you idiot.

*tweet* goalpost move!

 

[Rightguide]

*tweet* goalpost move!

If that was Putin's goal he would not have invaded with only 90,000 troops. His goal was to secure the Russian-speaking provinces. He had no intention of invading and governing Western Ukraine which is about as big as Germany. He might next year however if we keep attempting to put an army on his Southern border. Next Spring he'll have 1.2 million men on that border.

Recall that Western Ukraine was part of the Habsburg Empire until the end of World War I and is historically considered more Europe-leaning than the rest of the country.

 

[Rightguide]

Retired Officers Still Lying About Ukraine While Media Coming to Grips with the Unfolding Debacle​

By Larry Johnson Sep. 30, 2023 7:00 am

Effective operations? Not so fast. NY Times is out with another piece. How about the canard that Ukraine is taking more territory than the Russians? The graphics in the NY Times piece tell a different story:

The New York Times is loathe to admit that its reporting has been wrong — the article praised by Petraeus is a case in point — about Ukraine’s progress in its long-awaited counter offensive. But the Times does make this grudging admission:

Ukraine’s counteroffensive has struggled to push forward across the wide-open fields in the south. It is facing extensive minefields and hundreds of miles of fortifications — trenches, anti-tank ditches and concrete obstacles — that Russia built last winter to slow Ukrainian vehicles and force them into positions where they could be more easily targeted.
When both sides’ gains are added up, Russia now controls nearly 200 square miles more territory in Ukraine compared with the start of the year.

Whole article here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/retired-officers-still-lying-about-ukraine-while-media/

It's all over but the crying.

 

[jomar]

If that was Putin's goal he would not have invaded with only 90,000 troops. His goal was to secure the Russian-speaking provinces. He had no intention of invading and governing Western Ukraine which is about as big as Germany. He might next year however if we keep attempting to put an army on his Southern border. Next Spring he'll have 1.2 million men on that border.

Recall that Western Ukraine was part of the Habsburg Empire until the end of World War I and is historically considered more Europe-leaning than the rest of the country.

You’re a Putin apologist. Go back and review the beginning of the war. They planned on rolling into kyve but shit started breaking down, remember?

“Putin hoped his invasion would deal a decisive blow to Ukraine’s dreams of European integration and force the country permanently back into the Kremlin orbit. He expected to conquer Kyiv in a matter of days and planned to extinguish Ukrainian independence entirely. Instead, he has achieved the exact opposite.”

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...nvasion would,has achieved the exact opposite.

 

[Rightguide]

You’re a Putin apologist. Go back and review the beginning of the war. They planned on rolling into kyve but shit started breaking down, remember?

“Putin hoped his invasion would deal a decisive blow to Ukraine’s dreams of European integration and force the country permanently back into the Kremlin orbit. He expected to conquer Kyiv in a matter of days and planned to extinguish Ukrainian independence entirely. Instead, he has achieved the exact opposite.”

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-putins-fear-of-democracy-convinced-him-to-invade-ukraine/#:~:text=Putin hoped his invasion would,has achieved the exact opposite.

That operation and the one in the east were not related. The attempt to topple of the government in the West failed so the attack in the east was consolidated and mounted in the Donbas to control those Russian-speaking provinces. In the beginning, he had no plan to cross the Dnieper with 90,000 troops. Thanks to Joe he'll have enough to do it in the Spring of next year. Those are just the facts, not an apology.

Now Ukraine has Poland to worry about. News today is the Polish have completed their investigation on the rocket explosion that killed two Polish citizens and admitted it was launched from Ukraine, not Russia. They didn't have to say that. They could have kept up the demonization of Russia, but instead, they told the truth and put the finger on Ukraine for a reason. They're getting tired of the war, the refugees, and everything else and like other European countries are looking for a way out.

I note as well the Nazi celebrated by the Canadians in their Parliament the other day has enraged Poland and the Russians, both of whom want him extradited for WWII war crimes. Both cannot understand why Canada would make a national hero out of a friggin' Nazi. BTW, Putin called up another 300,000 men for training. This is Joe Biden fucking up by the numbers and ignorantly helping Russia regain its former military self, something we haven't seen since the 80s. I told you in the very beginning he would fuck this up and he has fucked this up by the numbers.

 

[jomar]

That operation and the one in the east were not related. The attempt to topple of the government in the West failed so the attack in the east was consolidated and mounted in the Donbas to control those Russian-speaking provinces.

Thank you. I’m glad we agree that putins original plan to invade and conquer Kyiv and reabsorb Ukraine under Russian (Putin) control failed and they tried to save face by moving their goalposts.

In the beginning, he had no plan to cross the Dnieper with 90,000 troops.

Where are now reading this. You don’t recall the failed convoy to Kyiv?

Thanks to Joe he'll have enough to do it in the Spring of next year. Those are just the facts, not an apology.

I guess we’ll see. After they run out of prisoners who are they gonna force into conscription?

Now Ukraine has Poland to worry about. News today is the Polish have completed their investigation on the rocket explosion that killed two Polish citizens and admitted it was launched from Ukraine, not Russia. They didn't have to say that. They could have kept up the demonization of Russia, but instead, they told the truth and put the finger on Ukraine for a reason. They're getting tired of the war, the refugees, and everything else and like other European countries are looking for a way out.

That’s one spin, I suppose.

I note as well the Nazi celebrated by the Canadians in their Parliament the other day has enraged Poland and the Russians, both of whom want him extradited for WWII war crimes. Both cannot understand why Canada would make a national hero out of a friggin' Nazi.

Agreed. Makes me think you got some bad info

BTW, Putin called up another 300,000 men for training.

Where’s he renting them from? Or maybe they’re conscripts over 60 and under 20

This is Joe Biden fucking up by the numbers and ignorantly helping Russia regain its former military self, something we haven't seen since the 80s.

Putin is killing generals and begging for help from North Korea. They’re not returning to their former might.

I told you in the very beginning he would fuck this up and he has fucked this up by the numbers.

According to your rwcj echo chamber sites

 

[Fuzzy1975]

That was never the goal you idiot.

How the fuck do you know what the goal of Putin is in Ukraine? He been whispering that in your ear, as he pay's you to spread disinformation?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Both cannot understand why Canada would make a national hero out of a friggin' Nazi.

Canada did what now?

LMFAO......talk about exaggeration........too fucking funny.....