For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Fuzzy1975]

WWI was a slaughter on an industrial scale. The US fought for 110 days and lost 110,000 dead. It was horrendous.

Other than getting the part right about WW1 being a slaughter, you missed everything else. There were 53,402 killed in action, not 110,000. The total men who died was closer to 110,000 since 63,114 died from accident, or disease...did you forget about flu the Yanks unleashed in 1917...

Compared to Verdun where the casualty count was close to 1 million, the Americans didn't do much, Germany was spent by the time the Doughboys arrived. Mind you at Meuse-Argonne the Americans did suffer a lot of losses, more than half of the total killed in action, and if the commanders hadn't kept on fighting right up till 11 am, Henry Nicholas John Gunther would have lived...

 

[ll74]

"We will not back down"

 

[Rightguide]

"We will not back down"

So how soon will you be buckling up and flying to Ukraine to save them from themselves?

 

[ll74]

So how soon will you be buckling up and flying to Ukraine to save them from themselves?

That is truly the dumbest comment that comes from the right on this topic. Good to see you participate in the stupidity.

 

[Lazaran]

The UK is sending 10,000 advanced drones to Ukraine.

Putin impotently pounds his tiny little fist on a table in an isolated room somewhere.



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[RandyRebecca]

"We will not back down"

You do realize that a big part of good military leaders is knowing when to cut your losses and to retreat in good order? Bad military leaders allow retreats to turn into routs, like Biden is losing the proxy war in Ukraine while he stumbles from one war to the next as easily as breathing. He also thinks that lower inflation than a year ago is somehow an achievement even though inflation is far higher than what it was before he was president. "Why is Biden so unpopular?" the pro-Democratic press asks, "the economy is doing very well" they say, which shows just how out of touch they are with the lives of ordinary Americans. I think Biden and his supporters are in for a nasty shock in 8 months time. Democrats are repeating a lot of their 2016 mistakes.

 

[RandyRebecca]

The UK is sending 10,000 advanced drones to Ukraine.

Putin impotently pounds his tiny little fist on a table in an isolated room somewhere.



Slava Ukraini!!!

Have you ever seen the British comedy series called "Blackadder Goes Forth"? There's an episode of that where Blackadder, in a 1917 WW1 British trench, says "I see Field Marshal Haig is making yet another determined effort to move his drinks cabinet six inches closer to Berlin". That basically sums up your attitude and the attitude of the British government, who apparently have British soldiers on the ground in Ukraine.

 

[ll74]

You do realize that a big part of good military leaders is knowing when to cut your losses and to retreat in good order? Bad military leaders allow retreats to turn into routs, like Biden is losing the proxy war in Ukraine while he stumbles from one war to the next as easily as breathing. He also thinks that lower inflation than a year ago is somehow an achievement even though inflation is far higher than what it was before he was president. "Why is Biden so unpopular?" the pro-Democratic press asks, "the economy is doing very well" they say, which shows just how out of touch they are with the lives of ordinary Americans. I think Biden and his supporters are in for a nasty shock in 8 months time. Democrats are repeating a lot of their 2016 mistakes.

Ukraine is defending itself against Russian invaders. We are supporting that effort because they are our allies.

Hope this helps!

 

[RandyRebecca]

Ukraine is defending itself against Russian invaders. We are supporting that effort because they are our allies.

Hope this helps!

As a 19th century capitalist politician once said, we have no permanent allies and no permanent enemies. We only have permanent interests.

Remember, NATO fostered the illusions in Zelensky actually beating Russia in a war. That is now all but gone.

 

[ll74]

As a 19th century capitalist politician once said, we have no permanent allies and no permanent enemies. We only have permanent interests.

Allies are as permanent as we make them.

Enemies are those who seek autocracy over democracy.

Remember, NATO fostered the illusions in Zelensky actually beating Russia in a war. That is now all but gone.

Is that what they did?

 

[Lazaran]

Have you ever seen the British comedy series called "Blackadder Goes Forth"? There's an episode of that where Blackadder, in a 1917 WW1 British trench, says "I see Field Marshal Haig is making yet another determined effort to move his drinks cabinet six inches closer to Berlin". That basically sums up your attitude and the attitude of the British government, who apparently have British soldiers on the ground in Ukraine.

My comment obviously triggered "Becky".



“Becky"



Also:

Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[RandyRebecca]

Is that what they did?

Well yes. In April 2022, Joe Biden got Boris Johnson to go to Kiev and tell Zelensky not to do any peace deal with Russia. Had Ukraine done that peace deal, Russia would have Crimea, and Ukraine would have to leave the entire Donbass alone, but Ukraine today would have all their other territory. As it stands now, Ukraine have lost their entire Black Sea coast that is east of the Dnieper river (Ukraine aren't getting that back), and Russia has recently been gaining ground.

Because of Biden and Johnson, Ukraine have lost territory and thousands of soldiers at the front in a senseless slaughter that resembles WW1 Generals sending soldiers "over the top". And it's obvious that US politicians and military leaders thought "We can have a good proxy war against Russia here, without risking American lives". Ukraine are sacrificial pawns.

 

[ll74]

Well yes. In April 2022, Joe Biden got Boris Johnson to go to Kiev and tell Zelensky not to do any peace deal with Russia. Had Ukraine done that peace deal, Russia would have Crimea, and Ukraine would have to leave the entire Donbass alone, but Ukraine today would have all their other territory. As it stands now, Ukraine have lost their entire Black Sea coast that is east of the Dnieper river (Ukraine aren't getting that back), and Russia has recently been gaining ground.

Because of Biden and Johnson, Ukraine have lost territory and thousands of soldiers at the front in a senseless slaughter that resembles WW1 Generals sending soldiers "over the top".

Let's review what you said.

Remember, NATO fostered the illusions in Zelensky actually beating Russia in a war. That is now all but gone.

Your response was deflection.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Let's review what you said.

Your response was deflection.

No. Ukraine was all set to sign a peace deal with Russia in April 2022, and Johnson (under Biden's orders, since Britain today is merely a lackey of the US) told Zelensky "Don't sign any peace deal with Russia". Johnson basically encouraged Zelensky to fight Russia to the end, with illusions of victory under western backing. As I said, Ukraine are sacrificial pawns in the US/NATO geopolitical game.

 

[ll74]

No. Ukraine was all set to sign a peace deal with Russia in April 2022, and Johnson (under Biden's orders, since Britain today is merely a lackey of the US) told Zelensky "Don't sign any peace deal with Russia". Johnson basically encouraged Zelensky to fight Russia to the end, with illusions of victory under western backing. As I said, Ukraine are sacrificial pawns in the US/NATO geopolitical game.

Let's review what you said

Remember, NATO fostered the illusions in Zelensky actually beating Russia in a war. That is now all but gone.

Whether or not a peace deal was available or whether or not anyone stopped it from happening, you haven't supported your claim.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Whether or not a peace deal was available or whether or not anyone stopped it from happening, you haven't supported your claim.

Of course I have. NATO is merely a US military front into the continent of Europe, and Britain is America's lackey. The US imperialist strategy, using NATO, was to drive a wedge between Russia and the countries in mainland Europe that Russia traded with (especially gas). Blowing up the Nordstream pipeline, along with being an environmental disaster (more Democratic Party hypocrisy), was done to ensure that there would be no backtracking in Germany's attitude, and no rapprochement between Germany and Russia.

Before all this, Germany thought that they controlled Europe, siding with the US on security and defense, and siding with Russia on gas trade, and playing both sides off against each other. Trump called them out on it when he was president, when he asked why the US pays into NATO while Germany trades gas with Russia, which obviously spooked the Biden, Obama and Clinton types massively as Trump called the very existence of NATO into doubt. Biden made it a foreign policy imperative to "put it right", under the delusion that US imperialism still has as much weight and power globally as it did in the early years of the 21st century before the Iraq War.

 

[ll74]

Of course I have. NATO is merely a US military front into the continent of Europe, and Britain is America's lackey. The US imperialist strategy, using NATO, was to drive a wedge between Russia and the countries in mainland Europe that Russia traded with (especially gas). Blowing up the Nordstream pipeline, along with being an environmental disaster (more Democratic Party hypocrisy), was done to ensure that there would be no backtracking in Germany's attitude, and no rapprochement between Germany and Russia.

Before all this, Germany thought that they controlled Europe, siding with the US on security and defense, and siding with Russia on gas trade, and playing both sides off against each other. Trump called them out on it when he was president, when he asked why the US pays into NATO while Germany trades gas with Russia, which obviously spooked the Biden, Obama and Clinton types massively. Biden made it a foreign policy imperative to "put it right", under the delusion that US imperialism still has as much weight and power globally as it did in the early years of the 21st century before the Iraq War.

You still haven't backed up your claim. Let's review:

Remember, NATO fostered the illusions in Zelensky actually beating Russia in a war. That is now all but gone.

You keep avoiding it.

Just admit that you have no evidence of this occurring.

 

[Lazaran]

Well yes. In April 2022, Joe Biden got Boris Johnson to go to Kiev and tell Zelensky not to do any peace deal with Russia. Had Ukraine done that peace deal, Russia would have Crimea, and Ukraine would have to leave the entire Donbass alone, but Ukraine today would have all their other territory. As it stands now, Ukraine have lost their entire Black Sea coast that is east of the Dnieper river (Ukraine aren't getting that back), and Russia has recently been gaining ground.

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(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

"Becky" knows NONE of that ^ is a proven fact.



This is a fair read on the realities of the moment when talks broke off:

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/26582



The break off in talks coincided with the discovery of the Russian atrocities in Bucha and skepticism that Putin could be trusted to abide by any "deal". (Putin should NOT be trusted).

Hope that ^ helps.



"Becky"

 

[Rightguide]

Pope Francis Says Ukraine Should Surrender, Urges Zelensky to ‘Show Courage of the White Flag’​

By Ben Kew Mar. 10, 2024 7:30 am

Pope Francis has weighed in on the ongoing war between Ukraine and Russia by urging the former to surrender and start negotiating a peace settlement.

The Pontiff made the remarks during an interview with Swiss broadcaster RSI, a transcript of which was obtained by Reuters, amid growing reports Ukranian resolve is starting to weaken as the war enters its third year.

“I think that the strongest one is the one who looks at the situation, thinks about the people and has the courage of the white flag, and negotiates,” Francis said.


“The word negotiate is a courageous word. When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, you have to have the courage to negotiate.”

More here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/pope-francis-says-ukraine-should-surrender-urges-zelensky/

Even the Pope knows the jig is up in Ukraine,.

 

[ll74]

Pope Francis Says Ukraine Should Surrender, Urges Zelensky to ‘Show Courage of the White Flag’​

By Ben Kew Mar. 10, 2024 7:30 am

Pope Francis has weighed in on the ongoing war between Ukraine and Russia by urging the former to surrender and start negotiating a peace settlement.

The Pontiff made the remarks during an interview with Swiss broadcaster RSI, a transcript of which was obtained by Reuters, amid growing reports Ukranian resolve is starting to weaken as the war enters its third year.

“I think that the strongest one is the one who looks at the situation, thinks about the people and has the courage of the white flag, and negotiates,” Francis said.


“The word negotiate is a courageous word. When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, you have to have the courage to negotiate.”

More here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/pope-francis-says-ukraine-should-surrender-urges-zelensky/

Even the Pope knows the jig is up in Ukraine,.

So the guy you disagree with agrees with you.

Bet that's exciting for you.

 

[Sean Renaud]

IT is funny how people who disagree with the supposedly woke pope like it when he tells people to take a knee. I don't really care what the Pope or really any leader thinks on most things other than the overall hope that things are moving in a direction that I want them to. Like Taylor Swift could come out tomorrow and make a duet with Kanye and it wouldn't break my heart. I was more interested in how much the right was flipping out over her than in anything she was doing. Hell I wouldn't have noticed she was doing anything without their whining.

Honestly given my dislike of religion as a whole its upsetting that the Pope wields the kind of political power that he does.

 

[Rightguide]

IT is funny how people who disagree with the supposedly woke pope like it when he tells people to take a knee. I don't really care what the Pope or really any leader thinks on most things other than the overall hope that things are moving in a direction that I want them to. Like Taylor Swift could come out tomorrow and make a duet with Kanye and it wouldn't break my heart. I was more interested in how much the right was flipping out over her than in anything she was doing. Hell I wouldn't have noticed she was doing anything without their whining.

Honestly given my dislike of religion as a whole its upsetting that the Pope wields the kind of political power that he does.

I don't care what the Pope says either, but I wanted you to know that even a blind leftist can find an acorn every once in a while. The Pope leads a nation of his own and therefore must be a politician as well.

 

[ll74]

I don't care what the Pope says either, but I wanted you to know that even a blind leftist can find an acorn every once in a while. The Pope leads a nation of his own and therefore must be a politician as well.

"I don't care what the pope says"

And then you post a thread about what the Pope says.

Make up your kind

 

[Lazaran]

Pope Francis Says Ukraine Should Surrender, Urges Zelensky to ‘Show Courage of the White Flag’​

By Ben Kew Mar. 10, 2024 7:30 am

Pope Francis has weighed in on the ongoing war between Ukraine and Russia by urging the former to surrender and start negotiating a peace settlement.

The Pontiff made the remarks during an interview with Swiss broadcaster RSI, a transcript of which was obtained by Reuters, amid growing reports Ukranian resolve is starting to weaken as the war enters its third year.

“I think that the strongest one is the one who looks at the situation, thinks about the people and has the courage of the white flag, and negotiates,” Francis said.


“The word negotiate is a courageous word. When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, you have to have the courage to negotiate.”

More here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/pope-francis-says-ukraine-should-surrender-urges-zelensky/

Even the Pope knows the jig is up in Ukraine,.

^
(Quotes for posterity and stupidity)

Ukraine just told the Pope to fuck off.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-kyiv-will-never-raise-white-flag-2024-03-10/



By extension, Ukraine just told "Right"guide to fuck off.



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't care what the Pope says either, but I wanted you to know that even a blind leftist can find an acorn every once in a while. The Pope leads a nation of his own and therefore must be a politician as well.

He's barely a leftist and his country is a fraction of the size of Disney World FFS.