For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Lazaran]

Maybe next time wrongguide will believe me.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/t...trikes-russian-refiners-it-sending-oil-prices

Pretty smart of President Biden to NOT give the Ukrainians those longer ranged missiles that could have hit those Russian refineries, etc.



And, yes, it would be far better for congress to approve the conventional arms aid package, than for the Ukrainians to say “fuck it” and start going scorched earth on Russian oil infrastructure.



The really scary part is, the Ukrainians likely have maaaaany agents (and anti-Putin Russians) inside Russia that can help facilitate incredibly successful attacks on Russian oil infrastructure.



The big question is, will the "republican" traitors in congress force the Ukrainian’s hand by not approving an aid package, just to damage President Biden’s re-election chances.



People should remember, that as the "republican" traitors in congress make decisions that hurt President Biden (not helping Ukraine and causing an oil related inflation spike) those "republican" traitors also hurt average Americans.

 

[RandyRebecca]

"Becky" you ignorant slut.

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Ukrainians are fighting for their country and their freedom. The U.S. is honoring (or had been until the MAGAt traitors serving Putin’s puppet in congress blocked critical funding) security commitments made to the Ukrainians to defend against another country becoming a Russian satellite state, and a front for Russian money laundering, cyber-crime, and illegal arms dealing, etc, etc.

The Ukrainians are Biden's pawns.

Israel is at odds with the current U.S. administration in their prosecution of the war, etc.

Is that why Biden keeps sending unconditional aid to Israel, including bypassing the US Congress to do so on multiple occasions? Washington DC is dominated by Zionist/Israeli lobbies like AIPAC, who have US politicians in their pocket. They don't care about America. As a result, Netanyahu ignores Biden for the most part and hopes for Trump to return to the White House. Biden's foreign policy has basically made his own electoral interests incompatible with the electoral interests of Netanyahu, thus plunging US-Israeli relations to their worst in decades, even though Biden thought initially that it would result in the opposite of that. It's unbelievable incompetence.

The top Democrat (Chuck Schumer, a Jew) in the U.S. senate just issued a vote of no confidence in Netanyahu and the right wing cabal in Israel. (President Biden co-signed Senator Schumer’s statement.)

Most Zionists in America are Christians, of the evangelical right-wing kind. The religion of the genocide supporters has absolutely no relevance when we get to the bottom line.

As for Schumer, he was obviously doing the dirty work for Biden, even though new elections in Israel aren't planned until 2026, and they've already had something like 6 elections in 10 years. Biden's foreign policy has gotten himself into an almighty hole, which even Stevie Wonder could see coming. As I said before, it's unbelievable incompetence.

This comment makes zero sense.

A genocide is going on in Gaza, being committed by the IDF against the stateless Palestinians with US support, as Biden sends unconditional aid to Israel, bypassing the US Congress multiple times to do so. You don't think that this is authoritarian? Wake up.

Two years ago on the orders of Joe Biden, Boris Johnson was dispatched to Ukraine to tell Zelensky not to sign a peace agreement with Putin as he was intending to do. I documented the effort earlier in this thread.

I've already pointed this out many times. The Biden supporters are so brainwashed, or into "anyone but Trump" mode, that they ignore it. They even ignore how Ukraine has now lost a lot more land since Johnson's visit, and won't be getting that land back. They think that geopolitical politics will bend to their will, or something.

None of that is proven to be true., but certainly nothing about Biden has been even alleged. Will be fun to see you try and prove that.

It is true. What do you think Johnson was doing there in Kiev meeting Zelensky? Britain has largely been a US lapdog since Eisenhower opposed Eden on Suez in 1956, which was the final moment when the British Empire's days were truly numbered (i.e. the British Empire, once so dominant in the world, floundered without US support after the 1956 Suez crisis and up to its eyeballs in debt to the US after two world wars). Johnson wouldn't have been there in Kiev in 2022 independently of the Biden administration. The British government was acting far more aggressively, out in the open, in terms of urging Ukraine to stand up and think in terms of defeating Russia militarily. The Biden administration didn't want to do that so openly themselves.

 

[ll74]

A genocide is going on in Gaza, being committed by the IDF against the stateless Palestinians with US support, as Biden sends unconditional aid to Israel, bypassing the US Congress multiple times to do so. You don't think that this is authoritarian? Wake up.

He hasn't bypassed Congress to provide aid.

I've already pointed this out many times. The Biden supporters are so brainwashed, or into "anyone but Trump" mode, that they ignore it. They even ignore how Ukraine has now lost a lot more land since Johnson's visit, and won't be getting that land back. They think that geopolitical politics will bend to their will, or something.

It is true. What do you think Johnson was doing there in Kiev meeting Zelensky?

They met multiple times. They have become good friends actually.
He did not strong arm Zelensky to do anything.

And Biden didnt either.

 

[Lazaran]

urging Ukraine to stand up and think in terms of defeating Russia

So, according to "Becky" the plan was to conquer Russia???



And the better alternative would have been for Ukraine to capitulate to Putin and Russia???



"Becky"



Also:

Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[Rightguide]

Think Tank: Russia Braces for NATO Conflict by '26 or '27​

By Michael Katz | Friday, 22 March 2024 04:33 PM EDT

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/vladimir-putin-russia-war/2024/03/22/id/1158290/

This is where Joe Biden is taking us. Just a few questions:

When will we reestablish the draft?

When will we rebuild our industrial base and put it on a war footing?

If we build it, how will we move our big new army and its equipment across the Atlantic? Recall the Nazis sunk 3000 US ships trying to do so in WWII with submarine technology nowhere as sophisticated or deadly as today's Russian sub fleet.

How will we do it with a navy that's retiring more ships than it builds?

Remember if Russian attacks one NATO country the US, the alleged backbone of NATO, will have to respond. All I'm asking is, with what?

 

[Rightguide]

NATO Ally Could Command 60,000 Strong Force in Ukraine: General​

Published Mar 20, 2024 at 8:00 AM EDTUpdated Mar 21, 2024 at 11:02 AM EDT

Europe Given Ominous War Warning
By David Brennan
Diplomatic Correspondent

French troops are ready for "the toughest engagements," the commander of the country's ground forces has said, as President Emmanuel Macron mulls an official military deployment to Ukraine despite repeated Russian threats of retaliation.

In an op-ed published by French daily Le Monde on Tuesday, General Pierre Schill—France's ground forces chief—said his forces are "ready" if called upon, and that a display of French military muscle would "deter any attack on France."

Macron is at the forefront of a nascent proposal by a handful of NATO nations to discuss sending allied forces into Ukraine in training and advisory roles, though not as combat troops. The Baltic states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, as well as Poland, have expressed support of Paris' position, though large NATO states like the U.S. and Germany are opposed.

Schill said France could engage a division of 20,000 troops within 30 days to operate as part of an allied coalition. Paris, he added, would be able to command a force of around 60,000 soldiers made up of French and other allied troops. The French army comprises some 121,000 soldiers, with 24,000 reservists

More here: https://www.newsweek.com/nato-ally-sixty-thousand-soldiers-ukraine-general-france-macron-1881216

This is the French forgetting their history.

 

[ll74]

Think Tank: Russia Braces for NATO Conflict by '26 or '27​

By Michael Katz | Friday, 22 March 2024 04:33 PM EDT

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/vladimir-putin-russia-war/2024/03/22/id/1158290/

This is where Joe Biden is taking us. Just a few questions:

When will we reestablish the draft?

When will we rebuild our industrial base and put it on a war footing?

If we build it, how will we move our big new army and its equipment across the Atlantic? Recall the Nazis sunk 3000 US ships trying to do so in WWII with submarine technology nowhere as sophisticated or deadly as today's Russian sub fleet.

How will we do it with a navy that's retiring more ships than it builds?

Remember if Russian attacks one NATO country the US, the alleged backbone of NATO, will have to respond. All I'm asking is, with what?

The most humorous thing here is that you used a piece from newsmax with the words think tank.

Russia likes to throw shit at the fan to get you dipshits riled up and it works every time

Maybe Putin can read you a bedtime story next

 

[Rightguide]

The most humorous thing here is that you used a piece from newsmax with the words think tank.

Russia likes to throw shit at the fan to get you dipshits riled up and it works every time

Maybe Putin can read you a bedtime story next

If you could read you'd see they were referring to the "ISW" (Institute For The Study Of War) which is a think tank. But the blind intellectual hate that stunts your understanding of all things has once again hoisted you on your own petard.

 

[ll74]

If you could read you'd see they were referring to the "ISW" (Institute For The Study Of War) which is a think tank. But the blind intellectual hate that stunts your understanding of all things has once again hoisted you on your own petard.

i knkw where it came from. the smart thing would be to post the source of the analysis, but instead, you provided a source of dipshits.

And I mocked you for it. As i do for all your deep thought war analysis.

Russia isnt attading NATO

 

[Rightguide]

i knkw where it came from. the smart thing would be to post the source of the analysis, but instead, you provided a source of dipshits.

And I mocked you for it. As i do for all your deep thought war analysis.

Russia isnt attading NATO

They did post it you big dummy in the very first sentence of the second paragraph of the article there is a link.

 

[ll74]

They did post it you big dummy in the very first sentence of the second paragraph of the article there is a link.

Yes, you missed my point yet again.

Stick to your newsmax.

 

[Rightguide]

i knkw where it came from. the smart thing would be to post the source of the analysis, but instead, you provided a source of dipshits.

And I mocked you for it. As i do for all your deep thought war analysis.

Russia isnt attading NATO

No one said Russia was "attading" or attacking NATO.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, you missed my point yet again.

Stick to your newsmax.

Your points are too far down the IQ scale for all but the left to see.

 

[ll74]

Your points are too far down the IQ scale for all but the left to see.

Your bias is too entrenched to see my point.

Newsmax analysis is shit

 

[HisArpy]

Think Tank: Russia Braces for NATO Conflict by '26 or '27​

By Michael Katz | Friday, 22 March 2024 04:33 PM EDT

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/vladimir-putin-russia-war/2024/03/22/id/1158290/

This is where Joe Biden is taking us. Just a few questions:

When will we reestablish the draft?

When will we rebuild our industrial base and put it on a war footing?

If we build it, how will we move our big new army and its equipment across the Atlantic? Recall the Nazis sunk 3000 US ships trying to do so in WWII with submarine technology nowhere as sophisticated or deadly as today's Russian sub fleet.

How will we do it with a navy that's retiring more ships than it builds?

Remember if Russian attacks one NATO country the US, the alleged backbone of NATO, will have to respond. All I'm asking is, with what?

I hope to fucking God that we start the draft. All these soy boys with their crying towels are going to get an eye opening dose of life experience.

 

[ll74]

NATO Ally Could Command 60,000 Strong Force in Ukraine: General​

Published Mar 20, 2024 at 8:00 AM EDTUpdated Mar 21, 2024 at 11:02 AM EDT

Europe Given Ominous War Warning
By David Brennan
Diplomatic Correspondent

French troops are ready for "the toughest engagements," the commander of the country's ground forces has said, as President Emmanuel Macron mulls an official military deployment to Ukraine despite repeated Russian threats of retaliation.

The entire French narrative being spread is entirely Putin's doing.

He is threatening to attack

 

[Rightguide]

The entire French narrative being spread is entirely Putin's doing.

He is threatening to attack

Maybe, but more than likely he's reacting to the hostile intent of the West. We advocated taking down Russia. We advocated taking down Putin. we sanctioned to little effect on his people, his country, and his country's economic viability, we seized the private property of Russian citizens, we blew up his pipeline, and we're trying to put a NATO army on his southern border. The French are sounding like they're going to put 2000 of their combat troops in Ukraine. Macron is bragging about being a nuclear power and the British are said to be helping Ukraine sink his naval ships. Now whether or not he deserves all of this, there is no doubt he perceives a looming military threat and is wisely accommodating those perceptions with preparatory action that the rest of the world better be paying attention to. Since we are the biggest part of NATO, that means us. So, what is Joe Biden doing to prepare us for what may come from a paranoid Russian leader with an army already in place and growing in numbers and capability, who has his finger on the launch button of the World's largest nuclear capability? It's an honest question.

 

[ll74]

Maybe, but more than likely he's reacting to the hostile intent of the West. We advocated taking down Russia. We advocated taking down Putin. we sanctioned to little effect on his people, his country, and his country's economic viability, we seized the private property of Russian citizens, we blew up his pipeline, and we're trying to put a NATO army on his southern border. The French are sounding like they're going to put 2000 of their combat troops in Ukraine. Macron is bragging about being a nuclear power and the British are said to be helping Ukraine sink his naval ships. Now whether or not he deserves all of this, there is no doubt he perceives a looming military threat and is wisely accommodating those perceptions with preparatory action that the rest of the world better be paying attention to. Since we are the biggest part of NATO, that means us. So, what is Joe Biden doing to prepare us for what may come from a paranoid Russian leader with an army already in place and growing in numbers and capability, who has his finger on the launch button of the World's largest nuclear capability? It's an honest question.

The French haven't done anything.

The "they are sounding like" bullshit is entirely Russian bullshit meant to escalate.

Why would Biden respond to bullshit?

 

[Rightguide]

The French haven't done anything.

The "they are sounding like" bullshit is entirely Russian bullshit meant to escalate.

Why would Biden respond to bullshit?

This from France 24:

Macron not ruling out Western troops on the ground in Ukraine​

French President Emmanuel Macron announced Monday new steps to boost Ukraine in its fight against the Russian invasion, saying not even the sending of Western ground troops was ruled out to achieve Europe's goal of defeating Moscow.

Issued on: 26/02/2024 - 04:23Modified: 26/02/2024 - 20:36

Read his words here while understanding his stated need for "strategic ambiguity."

 

[ll74]

This from France 24:

Macron not ruling out Western troops on the ground in Ukraine​

French President Emmanuel Macron announced Monday new steps to boost Ukraine in its fight against the Russian invasion, saying not even the sending of Western ground troops was ruled out to achieve Europe's goal of defeating Moscow.

Issued on: 26/02/2024 - 04:23Modified: 26/02/2024 - 20:36

Read his words here while understanding his stated need for "strategic ambiguity."

Lol.... His words were an answer to a question about escalation.

Which, btw, you told me to read but never actually quoted.

Dipshit.

And Russia promoted it.

Meanwhile, bB is talking about how Trump didn't mean bloodbath.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Macron is insane.

 

[ll74]

Macron is insane.

All he did was say that France was prepared to do whatever is necessary to defend itself and NATO.

The rest is Russian horseshit

 

[goldytheGoldfish]

Not a bad site. I particularly enjoy this piece, which describes the real reason for Russia's invasion

The Kremlin's Occupation Playbook: Coerced Russification and Ethnic Cleansing in Occupied Ukraine​

Notice how I include quotes from the article using the quote feature of the forum.... In case anyone is interested in using that feature properly.

https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-video-remarks-at-the-crimea-platform-summit/

World War III Watch: British Troops Are Directing Air Strikes in Ukraine – Germany Discusses Blowing Up Bridge in Crimea – The Globalist Elites Want Their World War​

By Jim Hoft Mar. 3, 2024 7:45 am

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/world-war-iii-watch-british-troops-are-directing/

Yet the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said there will be no ground troops sent to Ukraine by European nations.

And the British army today is smaller than it was in 1750. While both countries rattle the swords of war neither can contribute much to a land war in Ukraine. They are depending on our army to be the mainstay of any such insanity. What was required to fight a war in Europe and the Pacific was as follows:

"U.S. involvement in WWII grew to be about 16,000,000 military personnel by the war’s end: approximately 11,200,000 in the Army, 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps. On 1 July 1939, however, the strength of the active Army was approximately 174,000—three quarters of whom were scattered throughout the continental United States; the rest stationed overseas."

Today the US army is about 475,000 and the Marine Corps is about 174,000. Divide those numbers by 7 or 8 to reveal the actual numbers of me that actually engage the enemy. This is why we needed an army of 11-plus million in WWII.

Ooh, it still works daddy.

 

[RandyRebecca]

All he did was say that France was prepared to do whatever is necessary to defend itself and NATO.

The rest is Russian horseshit

All? Russia is a nuclear armed power, and it is now around 24 years since Bush Sr. told Gorbachev that there would be no NATO expansion eastwards. The NATO warmongers are insane. Russia inevitably pushed back.

 

[ll74]

All? Russia is a nuclear armed power, and it is now around 24 years since Bush Sr. told Gorbachev that there would be no NATO expansion eastwards. The NATO warmongers are insane. Russia inevitably pushed back.

There was no agreement regarding NATO expansion. Sorry to burst your bubble
Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No”