For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[RandyRebecca]

"Becky" is clueless:

The U.S. is: standing up Ukraine (and Taiwan, Israel, etc; ramping up production of weapons; developing advanced capabilities based on lesson learned in “the drone war”, and holding our own troops and ordinance in reserve - even as our own troops are sharpening / homing their skills to be able to confront emerging challenges and threats from other malign actors. (See: also: The live-fire practice against drones and missiles, etc, that the U.S. military is getting in the Middle East in defense of Israel and global shipping.)

And all that ^ as Russia’s military, etc, is being degraded.



"Becky"

I suggest you look at history regarding superpowers fighting on too many fronts.

And yes, I have noticed the warmongerers indifference to the loss of Ukrainian lives in their war games, and their attitude towards the Palestinians is far worse, supporting an Israeli genocide against them.

As for shipping, the Houthis have said what it will take to stop their attacks on what they see as hostile trade ships, i.e. an end to the Gaza genocide, with water, food and electricity restored.

 

[ll74]

The Russians intend that they will, by NATO refusing to send more arms to Ukraine because of the cost. Trump will be more likely to do it faster, as he said recently when ridiculing Zelensky getting $60 billion in arms and then asking for another $60 billion.

They invaded. Nobody owes them anything.

Why is it that no matter how many times I say that I oppose Putin, you keep acting to the contrary?

Because your posts say otherwise.

Russia are not going to abandon the land that they've got. Ukraine has lost that. That is what I meant by Russia playing the long game. Anyone trying to get that land is getting crushed, and Ukraine can't afford to keep losing the numbers that they are to either death or injury. The Russians want NATO and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table, to get rid of Zelensky themselves, and they will wait it out behind the land that they already occupy along the Black Sea coast.

Russia invaded. If they want to play the long game, then they need to way the loss of life to do so.

Ukraine is defending its own land from invaders.

What's the Ukraine response? Firing weapons deeper into Russia proper, a nuclear power? Russia will then start seeing any NATO weapons on the European continent as targets. It could then snowball into a wider war, even a disastrous WW3. And trust me, everybody will be the losers in such a war. Society as we know it will be at an end.

Ukraine is attacking Russia's offensive capabilities as anyone who is defending themselves against invaders would do.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The Russians are playing the long game. They want NATO to get rid of Zelensky rather than Russia getting rid of him. Ukraine have lost far more, have depleted American supply of arms in the process, and are much shorter on numerical replacements in the military compared to the Russians.

Ukraine's playing the long game too - not attacking except small localized counterattacks, consistently hammering the Russians, taking out their artillery - they are at parity now and in some areas Ukraine has artillery superiority. Russian has no more effective tanks and running low on IFV's - their new ones are all out of the storage dumps and those are running low - they are pulling barrels from old guns to replace worn out barrels and that reduces their stockpiles further. Russia is taking consistently large manpower losses, and Ukraine is falling back where they need to rather than take needless losses just to hang on to a field or a village.

On top of that, Ukraine is using drones effectively to target Russian oil terminals and storage, as well as hitting Russian factories with both drones and sabotage. ANd their seems to be an effective assassination campaign going on within Russia. Russian air defence is being whittle away - they just moved the last S300 system in the Pacific Far East to Ukraine and they can't build them to replace losses. Russian air defence is fucked and where ATACAMS and Storm Shadow And Neptune have the range, they pretty much hit at will. Not to mention the growing drone swarms. We went from 1 or 2 drones to 10-20 to a 100 in one strike. Want to be we see a 1000 drone strike on something critical soon?

Crimea is being pried wide open, the Russians have 100,000 troops in Kherson which, without the water from the canal, is a virtual desert. Those troops have to be supplied with water by truck, and without water, in a southern Ukraine summer, they will dehydrate and die in days. Water is critical and the Ukrainians are targeting water trucks. Easy targets, and a soldier who dies of dehydration, or from Cholera or Typhoid (both spreading) is just as dead as one killed by a bullet or an artillery strike. F16's arrive soon, and they will not be a game changer, but they WILL reduce the Russian air threat, which is really the only area Russia now has an advantage in.

Equipment - Ukraine are building their own 155's - 10-12 a month right now and increasing, AND they are getting more guns elsewhere. Soon they will have a markedt artillery advantage and THEN Russia is fucked. Ukraine are building their own IFV's, Rheinmetall will be rolling Lynx and Fuchs out for Ukraine by the end of this year, and Ukraine are increasing production of their own Neptune cruise missiles with an extended range. More CV90's are being built for Ukraine, and Sweden is also transferring all their old M113-analogs (I forget the name) to Ukraine - ALL of them with everything that goes with them - a couple of hundred - enough to fit out 4 more Brigades - and Ukraine has been building and training 14 new Brigades but lacks all the equipment for them.

Nope. It's Russia that is in shit. They have lost the advantage, they cannot now win, and they are only holding Ukraine off with constant infantry attacks and suffering huge losses in doing so. This war will go in into 2025, Ukraine will fight a holding battle until then unless they see an advantage somewhere - perhaps in Kherson - and then things will reverse - Russian has no mobile warfighting capability or skills - all that is holding Ukraine back are that crust of mine fields, infantry and artillery - once that has been broken through somewhere, and the Ukrainian tanks, IFVs and artillery are rolling (with the proviso that the ZSU improves their skills in armored warfare) then Russia is pretty much fucked.

LOL. I have been taking a few lessons from a couple of retired US Army armored unit officers and edumacating myself, so this isn't just my opinion. I am but a student at the feet of the experts on this. It's fascinating, and its pretty clear which areas the Ukrainians are NOT good at. They have too many old-school Soviet-military senior officers to start with. They are not good at combined arms warfare, but THAT is a skill that has to be developed thru training and experience. All that said, they have some VERY good and VERY experienced Brigades - Azov for example - and they are accelerating their drone warfare ability by the day.

Nope, don't buy into "the Russians are playing the long game" theory. They're not. They're doing all that they are capable of and they are slowly losing. They can attack locally, but right now they have blown away all the reserves they built up for Kharkiv, and shot their bolt on that one. All they have left is what they are doing now and that is getting them nowhere fast. Ukraine loses a field or a village? So what? They're trading a little space to inflict major casualties on the Russians. Ukraine is playing to their strengths. There are at least 8 up to strength Ukraine Brigades not even committed yet, and more being trained. The Czech ammo initiative is rolling and there will be no shortage of ammo from now on.

F16's will be there soon. Mirage 2000's by the end of the year, maybe even Gripen's next year....nope, Putin is a dead man walking. Crimean and occupied territories WILL be liberated and US support will be come less and less a factor as Rheinmetall and Ukraine build up their own ammo manufacturing capabilities. Ukraine and Europe are now very well aware that the USA is an unreliable partner and cannot be relied on. Putin, with his NORK nonsense, has now ensured that South Korea is in play, and the South Korean defence industry is something else. What we may well see soon is that Ukraine becomes the European equivalent of South Korea in terms of defence manufacturing capability.

And don't ever forget that the Cossacks were the elite of the old Tsarist and Red Armies.....

 

[RandyRebecca]

They invaded. Nobody owes them anything.

The US warmongers provoked it all along. What was Lindsey Graham and John McCain doing out there in 2014?

Because your posts say otherwise.

I'm stating the truth, and not the sort of delusional propaganda of mainstream politics in America from both the big two parties.

Russia invaded. If they want to play the long game, then they need to way the loss of life to do so.

Ukraine too, who can afford that loss of life even less. Some of the US warmongers would fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and boast of keeping American lives out of it. The fact is, some American military personnel are already on the ground in Ukraine, making it possible for Ukraine to use these weapons against Russia.

Ukraine is attacking Russia's offensive capabilities as anyone who is defending themselves against invaders would do.

This is a proxy war between the US establishment and the Russian establishment, with Ukraine as a mere battleground.

So Ukrainians are treated as cannon fodder, and ordinary people in America, Russia, European countries, and beyond, are expected to face attacks in living standards through rising inflation.

 

[ll74]

The US warmongers provoked it all along. What was Lindsey Graham and John McCain doing out there in 2014?

Russia invaded Ukraine.

I'm stating the truth, and not the sort of delusional propaganda of mainstream politics in America from both the big two parties.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Ukraine too, who can afford that loss of life even less. Some of the US warmongers would fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and boast of keeping American lives out of it. The fact, some American military personnel are already on the ground in Ukraine, making it possible for Ukraine to use these weapons against Russia.

Ukraine is defending itself against hostile invaders. Russia is the one invading for a reason.

Americans are supporting their ally.

This is a proxy war between the US establishment and the Russian establishment, with Ukraine as a mere battleground.

Russia invaded Ukraine. So this is Russia's war. If it's a proxy war, that is Russia's doing.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

I'd suggest you also look at the history of Ukraine and the region, and NATO's actions there, long before February 2022. I also suggest the same with Israel/Palestine long before 7 October 2023.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

So you keep saying, while you ignore what led to that invasion happening.

Ukraine is defending itself against hostile invaders. Russia is the one invading for a reason.

That reason being NATO's actions, and the Ukrainian far right believing all the delusional propaganda about defeating Russia.

Americans are supporting their ally.

By fighting Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood while they sit thousands of miles away in comfort?

Russia invaded Ukraine. So this is Russia's war. If it's a proxy war, that is Russia's doing.

LOL.

 

[ll74]

I'd suggest you also look at the history of Ukraine and the region, and NATO's actions there, long before February 2022. I also suggest the same with Israel/Palestine long before 7 October 2023.

I know the history. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.

So you keep saying, while you ignore what led to that invasion happening.

You fail to recognize how Russia has the most responsibility here.

That reason being NATO's actions, and the Ukrainian far right believing all the delusional propaganda about defeating Russia.

As youve mentioned multiple times. So Russia should have clear goals for ceasing their invasion (hint: they don't)

By fighting Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood while they sit thousands of miles away in comfort?

Russia is the hostile force here. Ukraine is defending their country.

 

[ChloeTzang]

And let us never forget that Putin wants to exterminate Ukraine and Ukrainians. THAT is what "peace" means to Putin. And Ukrainians know that.

Nope, this war is going on until Russia is defeated and thrown our of ALL of Ukraine. And don't forget the war crimes trials....Don't forget, Russia is NOT a superpower. It's a gas station with nukes. And the nukes are irrelevant.

Don't forget Ukraine has nuclear power plants and scientists. They can build dirty bombs if they want. Putin uses nukes, Ukraine will respond in kind. Nukes are not a factor in this war.

 

[ll74]

And let us never forget that Putin wants to exterminate Ukraine and Ukrainians. THAT is what "peace" means to Putin. And Ukrainians know that.

This right here

 

[ChloeTzang]

Seriously Rebecca, you need to study this one a bit more and not just follow the pro-Putin talking points. Follow a few military experts. Follow a few Ukrainians and Ukrainian military units. Some of these guys REALLY know their stuff and they are following and writing about this professionally, not for hits on Twitter.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The new UK Defence Secretary, John Healey, arrived in Odesa for a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Defence Minister Rustem Umerov. Following the meeting, Healey announced that his country would deliver a new aid package to Ukraine, including more artillery guns, a quarter of a million rounds of ammunition, and nearly 100 high-precision Brimstone missiles.


The Defence Secretary also promised to expedite the delivery of military assistance to Ukraine over the next 100 days.

 

[ChloeTzang]

To illustrate what Ukraine is dealing with here, Russia deliberately hit the main Children's Hospital in Kyiv today with missile. Hundreds of people and rescue workers rushed to clear debris at the hospital, where windows were smashed and panels ripped off. Parents holding babies walked in the street, dazed and sobbing after the daylight aerial attack. These missiles require target coordinate, and the Russians deliberately targeted a Children's Hospital. THAT is an outright terrorist attack and a war crime. Just to illustrate that this was NOT a one off, the Russians also hit a SECOND hospital in Kyiv today. This time a maternity hospital.

Just how to you make peace with that? These are deliberate war crimes.

 

[ll74]

Putin/Orban - Saturday - "we want peace in Ukraine"

Russia - Monday morning - bombs Kyiv children's hospital

 

[Rightguide]

Let's say you believe that. Which is stupid. I mean Christ that requires a very active imagination what advantage to they gain by allowing the United STates to actually use the military against them? Instead of doing what makes infinitely more sense in and allying themselves with the US military?

Research it. It's the truth. You don't believe me? Check with your local law enforcement agency.

 

[Rightguide]

Hiow d

To illustrate what Ukraine is dealing with here, Russia deliberately hit the main Children's Hospital in Kyiv today with missile. Hundreds of people and rescue workers rushed to clear debris at the hospital, where windows were smashed and panels ripped off. Parents holding babies walked in the street, dazed and sobbing after the daylight aerial attack. These missiles require target coordinate, and the Russians deliberately targeted a Children's Hospital. THAT is an outright terrorist attack and a war crime. Just to illustrate that this was NOT a one off, the Russians also hit a SECOND hospital in Kyiv today. This time a maternity hospital.

Just how to you make peace with that? These are deliberate war crimes.

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How did we make peace with the Japanese after destroying 66 of their cities and killing three million people?

 

[ll74]

Hiow d

How did we make peace with the Japanese after destroying 66 of their cities and killing three million people?

This is the worst false equivalency ever.

 

[icanhelp1]

Ukraine's playing the long game too - not attacking except small localized counterattacks, consistently hammering the Russians, taking out their artillery - they are at parity now and in some areas Ukraine has artillery superiority. Russian has no more effective tanks and running low on IFV's - their new ones are all out of the storage dumps and those are running low - they are pulling barrels from old guns to replace worn out barrels and that reduces their stockpiles further. Russia is taking consistently large manpower losses, and Ukraine is falling back where they need to rather than take needless losses just to hang on to a field or a village.

On top of that, Ukraine is using drones effectively to target Russian oil terminals and storage, as well as hitting Russian factories with both drones and sabotage. ANd their seems to be an effective assassination campaign going on within Russia. Russian air defence is being whittle away - they just moved the last S300 system in the Pacific Far East to Ukraine and they can't build them to replace losses. Russian air defence is fucked and where ATACAMS and Storm Shadow And Neptune have the range, they pretty much hit at will. Not to mention the growing drone swarms. We went from 1 or 2 drones to 10-20 to a 100 in one strike. Want to be we see a 1000 drone strike on something critical soon?

Crimea is being pried wide open, the Russians have 100,000 troops in Kherson which, without the water from the canal, is a virtual desert. Those troops have to be supplied with water by truck, and without water, in a southern Ukraine summer, they will dehydrate and die in days. Water is critical and the Ukrainians are targeting water trucks. Easy targets, and a soldier who dies of dehydration, or from Cholera or Typhoid (both spreading) is just as dead as one killed by a bullet or an artillery strike. F16's arrive soon, and they will not be a game changer, but they WILL reduce the Russian air threat, which is really the only area Russia now has an advantage in.

Equipment - Ukraine are building their own 155's - 10-12 a month right now and increasing, AND they are getting more guns elsewhere. Soon they will have a markedt artillery advantage and THEN Russia is fucked. Ukraine are building their own IFV's, Rheinmetall will be rolling Lynx and Fuchs out for Ukraine by the end of this year, and Ukraine are increasing production of their own Neptune cruise missiles with an extended range. More CV90's are being built for Ukraine, and Sweden is also transferring all their old M113-analogs (I forget the name) to Ukraine - ALL of them with everything that goes with them - a couple of hundred - enough to fit out 4 more Brigades - and Ukraine has been building and training 14 new Brigades but lacks all the equipment for them.

Nope. It's Russia that is in shit. They have lost the advantage, they cannot now win, and they are only holding Ukraine off with constant infantry attacks and suffering huge losses in doing so. This war will go in into 2025, Ukraine will fight a holding battle until then unless they see an advantage somewhere - perhaps in Kherson - and then things will reverse - Russian has no mobile warfighting capability or skills - all that is holding Ukraine back are that crust of mine fields, infantry and artillery - once that has been broken through somewhere, and the Ukrainian tanks, IFVs and artillery are rolling (with the proviso that the ZSU improves their skills in armored warfare) then Russia is pretty much fucked.

LOL. I have been taking a few lessons from a couple of retired US Army armored unit officers and edumacating myself, so this isn't just my opinion. I am but a student at the feet of the experts on this. It's fascinating, and its pretty clear which areas the Ukrainians are NOT good at. They have too many old-school Soviet-military senior officers to start with. They are not good at combined arms warfare, but THAT is a skill that has to be developed thru training and experience. All that said, they have some VERY good and VERY experienced Brigades - Azov for example - and they are accelerating their drone warfare ability by the day.

Nope, don't buy into "the Russians are playing the long game" theory. They're not. They're doing all that they are capable of and they are slowly losing. They can attack locally, but right now they have blown away all the reserves they built up for Kharkiv, and shot their bolt on that one. All they have left is what they are doing now and that is getting them nowhere fast. Ukraine loses a field or a village? So what? They're trading a little space to inflict major casualties on the Russians. Ukraine is playing to their strengths. There are at least 8 up to strength Ukraine Brigades not even committed yet, and more being trained. The Czech ammo initiative is rolling and there will be no shortage of ammo from now on.

F16's will be there soon. Mirage 2000's by the end of the year, maybe even Gripen's next year....nope, Putin is a dead man walking. Crimean and occupied territories WILL be liberated and US support will be come less and less a factor as Rheinmetall and Ukraine build up their own ammo manufacturing capabilities. Ukraine and Europe are now very well aware that the USA is an unreliable partner and cannot be relied on. Putin, with his NORK nonsense, has now ensured that South Korea is in play, and the South Korean defence industry is something else. What we may well see soon is that Ukraine becomes the European equivalent of South Korea in terms of defence manufacturing capability.

And don't ever forget that the Cossacks were the elite of the old Tsarist and Red Armies.....

Just imagine had the Ukrainians been given 16s, M1s, M2s self propelled 155s and attacked in a real air-land battle doctrine similar to the first gulf war. Miles and miles of Russian combat brigades mired in open spaces. Russia would have been sent packing with their tails between their legs. Earlier effective use of mobile Neptune anti ship complimented with mobile Harpoon batteries would have sent the Russian navy to Davy Jone’s locker. Can’t win a conflict against Russia without air superiority and yet Biden still dragging his feet with providing 16s. In for a penny in for a pound. Should have hurt the Russians real bad right from the beginning.

 

[ll74]

Just imagine had the Ukrainians been given 16s, M1s, M2s self propelled 155s and attacked in a real air-land battle doctrine similar to the first gulf war. Miles and miles of Russian combat brigades mired in open spaces. Russia would have been sent packing with their tails between their legs. Earlier effective use of mobile Neptune anti ship complimented with mobile Harpoon batteries would have sent the Russian navy to Davy Jone’s locker. Can’t win a conflict against Russia without air superiority and yet Biden still dragging his feet with providing 16s. In for a penny in for a pound. Should have hurt the Russians real bad right from the beginning.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[ll74]

Even if you consider 2014 as some sort of US coup against Russia in a proxy war - Russia decided to do the same proxy war with determination to kill a mass number of third country people.

And they have no realistic objectives. So while we give armaments to Ukraine to defend itself against invaders, Russia continues to be an invader, killing Ukranians.

There is no single argument that makes this war anything but hostile aggression by Russia against a sovereign nation.

 

[Lazaran]

Just imagine had the Ukrainians been given 16s, M1s, M2s self propelled 155s and attacked in a real air-land battle doctrine similar to the first gulf war. Miles and miles of Russian combat brigades mired in open spaces. Russia would have been sent packing with their tails between their legs. Earlier effective use of mobile Neptune anti ship complimented with mobile Harpoon batteries would have sent the Russian navy to Davy Jone’s locker. Can’t win a conflict against Russia without air superiority and yet Biden still dragging his feet with providing 16s. In for a penny in for a pound. Should have hurt the Russians real bad right from the beginning.

So the Ukrainians, who can’t employ combined arms tactics NOW, and are barely proficient with F-16’s, etc, NOW, should have employed all those things back THEN - before they even had training OR the actual weapons systems???



And Russia wouldn’t have had a different (possibly tactical nukes) response if such an aggressive move WAS EVEN ATTEMPTED by the U.S. and The West back THEN???



ineedhelp1

 

[icanhelp1]

So the Ukrainians, who can’t employ combined arms tactics NOW, and are barely proficient with F-16’s, etc, NOW, should have employed all those things back THEN - before they even had training OR the actual weapons systems???



And Russia wouldn’t have had a different (possibly tactical nukes) response if such an aggressive move WAS EVEN ATTEMPTED by the U.S. and The West back THEN???



ineedhelp1

Successful implementation of combined arms air/land battle doctrine relies on air superiority. Experienced Mig-21 pilots are pretty sharp, most of the flight training and tactical expertise has already been imprinted on their souls. I would guess 3 months tops to train m21 pilots to F-16s. The hard part is already done. Same with experience tank crews. They’ve already been trained in armored combat tactics the rest is training on equipment proficiency. Tactics is the hard part. If the threat was fear of Russians using tactical nukes doesn’t that threat exist today. Just think that in the first year of the conflict A-10s and 16s were introduced into the battle space combined with HIMARS, Tripple7s, M1s, M-2, and NATO ASSETS to include British choppers, German tanks, designed to take property not defense. In for the penny in for the pound.

 

[ll74]

Successful implementation of combined arms air/land battle doctrine relies on air superiority. Experienced Mig-21 pilots are pretty sharp, most of the flight training and tactical expertise has already been imprinted on their souls. I would guess 3 months tops to train m21 pilots to F-16s. The hard part is already done. Same with experience tank crews. They’ve already been trained in armored combat tactics the rest is training on equipment proficiency. Tactics is the hard part. If the threat was fear of Russians using tactical nukes doesn’t that threat exist today. Just think that in the first year of the conflict A-10s and 16s were introduced into the battle space combined with HIMARS, Tripple7s, M1s, M-2, and NATO ASSETS to include British choppers, German tanks, designed to take property not defense. In for the penny in for the pound.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Why is anything the fault of those being attacked?

 

[Lazaran]

Successful implementation of combined arms air/land battle doctrine relies on air superiority. Experienced Mig-21 pilots are pretty sharp, most of the flight training and tactical expertise has already been imprinted on their souls. I would guess 3 months tops to train m21 pilots to F-16s. The hard part is already done. Same with experience tank crews. They’ve already been trained in armored combat tactics the rest is training on equipment proficiency. Tactics is the hard part. If the threat was fear of Russians using tactical nukes doesn’t that threat exist today. Just think that in the first year of the conflict A-10s and 16s were introduced into the battle space combined with HIMARS, Tripple7s, M1s, M-2, and NATO ASSETS to include British choppers, German tanks, designed to take property not defense. In for the penny in for the pound.

ineedhelp1 continues to remove all doubt that they are a fool.



ineedhelp1

 

[ChloeTzang]

Hiow d

How did we make peace with the Japanese after destroying 66 of their cities and killing three million people?

After they surrendered, we treated them fairly. Putin wants to exterminate Ukrainians. There's a world of difference.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Just imagine had the Ukrainians been given 16s, M1s, M2s self propelled 155s and attacked in a real air-land battle doctrine similar to the first gulf war. Miles and miles of Russian combat brigades mired in open spaces. Russia would have been sent packing with their tails between their legs. Earlier effective use of mobile Neptune anti ship complimented with mobile Harpoon batteries would have sent the Russian navy to Davy Jone’s locker. Can’t win a conflict against Russia without air superiority and yet Biden still dragging his feet with providing 16s. In for a penny in for a pound. Should have hurt the Russians real bad right from the beginning.

Unfortunately. combined arms doctrine, to be used effectively, needs both the equipment and years of training and practice practice practice. It's not something where you just shovel in the equipment and expect it all to come together in a year. Ukraine has been moving away from Soviet doctrine, not least building up a strong NCO ethos, as well as training junior officers much closer to NATO doctrine, but a lot of the senior officers are still somewhat mired in the old Red Army days. They are getting their, war is a harsh teacher, but it's slow and it's painful, and with the advent of drones, a lot of the old doctrine is having to be rethought.

As for Biden dragging his feet, they've been trying to "give Putin an off-ramp," ie persuade him to back off and just keep what he's gained, but all that dies is feed the beast. Never forget it was Obama who gave Putin Crimea, and Biden who said it was okay to take more of the Donbas, thereby encouraging Putin to attack. It was also Biden who offered Zelensky a ride out, expecting Ukraine to collapse and not expressing too much concern about it. He then slow-walked aid and is still slow-walking aid. We could send another 500 Bradley's and ten Patriot systems tomorrow without even missing them. Ditto F16's and A10's. They're just sitting there....