Founders and Framers on the People's Natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms

[Byron In Exile]

Okay, this thread went exactly as I thought it would, yay me, but like burning tires in a garbage dump.

I've seen so many of these tire-fires... and you expect I'll toss on a tire?

Season 1 of "The Americans" ended with Peter Gabriel's "Games Without Frontiers." It's about a family in 1981. The mom and dad are agents of the KGB. If you were alive in the 1980's it's a must-see.

"I am in control..." - Alex Haig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__nTeZrEtvw

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't understand why there is this debate about the right to have access to guns. It's just stupid.

Because sometimes ya just gotta let the air out of a mother fucker....can't do that with a phone call to the popo....

Do drugs and criminals come and go?

Because drugs = crime!!! LOL I love it!

 

[islandman]

The foam is in your brain, my friend.

But I do hope you used newspaper. Printing out stuff to line a bird cage is an awful waste of paper.

Perhaps I ought to apologize. You do think about stuff... it's just that, to me, this "debate" is the oldest and most shopworn of all. And when I see arguments being floated that I scotched ten years ago, and roundly, I tend to shut down.

For how many decades must I sing the same song? Prove the same proofs? So many topics have room for dissention that I find it hard to believe that anyone with any sense would be laboring this one. It's a lost cause for gun control advocates.

The United States is an armed society. The rest of the world considers it barbaric. Two facts, and that's how it is. Can we now move on to something less static?

Well, aren't you the proud peacock.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the Founders "scotched' it in 1776. The question isn't whether citizens can have access to guns, but whether they can have access AND accept the responsibility of gun ownership within the context of modern society.

 

[Brollyanna]

I thought this thread was about "Founders and Framers on the People's Natural Right to Keep Bears" and that made me ridiculously happy.

Oh.....as you were.

 

[Ishmael]

Well, aren't you the proud peacock.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the Founders "scotched' it in 1776. The question isn't whether citizens can have access to guns, but whether they can have access AND accept the responsibility of gun ownership within the context of modern society.

Change the constitution if you think it needs updating.

Ishmael

 

[islandman]

Change the constitution if you think it needs updating.

Ishmael

There's no need. Between the Constitution and their writings via The Federalist Papers, the Founders made clear that responsibility was part of the privilege.

Somewhere along the way, this country as lost sight of that.

 

[koalabear]

Well, aren't you the proud peacock.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the Founders "scotched' it in 1776. The question isn't whether citizens can have access to guns, but whether they can have access AND accept the responsibility of gun ownership within the context of modern society.

Modern society, do you mean like any major city that has killings on a nightly basis.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Well, aren't you the proud peacock.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the Founders "scotched' it in 1776. The question isn't whether citizens can have access to guns, but whether they can have access AND accept the responsibility of gun ownership within the context of modern society.

You couldn't burst a soap bubble.

The issue wasn't whether people should be allowed to own guns.

The issue was whether something so obvious ought to be written into the Constitution.

 

[Byron In Exile]

There's no need. Between the Constitution and their writings via The Federalist Papers, the Founders made clear that responsibility was part of the privilege.

Somewhere along the way, this country as lost sight of that.

I don't say this often, and probably not often enough, but dude:

Read more, post less.

You are out of your shallow depth, here.

 

[islandman]

I don't say this often, and probably not often enough, but dude:

Read more, post less.

You are out of your shallow depth, here.

Feel free to expound on what more I should read.

 

[islandman]

The issue wasn't whether people should be allowed to own guns.

The issue was whether something so obvious ought to be written into the Constitution.

Let me help you out:

There's no need. Between the Constitution and their writings via The Federalist Papers, the Founders made clear that responsibility was part of the privilege.

Somewhere along the way, this country as lost sight of that.

Any questions?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Naughtius Byronus is sounding more like Ishmael every day.

 

[Ishmael]

There's no need. Between the Constitution and their writings via The Federalist Papers, the Founders made clear that responsibility was part of the privilege.

Somewhere along the way, this country as lost sight of that.

Yup, if you use a firearm irresponsibly you'll be charged, tried, and if convicted you'll go to jail. See, we already have laws.

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

Yup, if you use a firearm irresponsibly you'll be charged, tried, and if convicted you'll go to jail. See, we already have laws.

Ishmael

Unless the person you gun down is black, obviously.

 

[koalabear]

Unless the person you gun down is black, obviously.

Blacks like to kill each other off.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Naughtius Byronus is sounding more like Ishmael every day.

If I didn't think your wife to be the bees' knees, I might have taken offense to this.

That aside, Ishmael makes me think about stuff.

I might think he's usually wrong, but that's another question.

Anyway, you're a lucky man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23tsYZDYfE

 

[Byron In Exile]

Naughtius Byronus is sounding more like Ishmael every day.

Wait for a President like Bush. Like Jeb.

The RWCJ will want a tooth to identify the body.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Unless the person you gun down is black, obviously.

"Gun down?"

You know they're armed and shooting back, right?

Oh, wait... you only know of America what you see on television.

Carry on.

 

[islandman]

Yup, if you use a firearm irresponsibly you'll be charged, tried, and if convicted you'll go to jail. See, we already have laws.

Ishmael

You're thinking small.

I'm taking about laws already in place that have loopholes built in - the Firearm Owners Protection Act, for example - that exempts certain private vendors from meeting the same requirements as licensed firearms retailers. This 'gun show loophole' allows anyone claiming to be a 'hobbyist' from selling guns without conducting a background check. Only about 10 states of the contiguous 48 require checks for all purchases.

I'm also taking about expanding the inputs to NICS and mandating timely participation on a state level.

And, please, save the "people who pass background checks commit firearms-related crimes" argument for someone who can't think beyond their noses.

 

[koalabear]

Gun Show Firearm Retailer Help Police Nab Felon Attempting to Buy Firearms

It's a common refrain from the gun ban lobby that gun shows are a great resource for criminals to purchase guns. But this story from the Richmond Times Dispatch tells a different story:

http://virginiashootingsportsassoci...10/gun-show-firearm-retailer-help-police.html

 

[Byron In Exile]

You're thinking small.

I'm taking about laws already in place that have loopholes built in - the Firearm Owners Protection Act, for example - that exempts certain private vendors from meeting the same requirements as licensed firearms retailers. This 'gun show loophole' allows anyone claiming to be a 'hobbyist' from selling guns without conducting a background check. Only about 10 states of the contiguous 48 require checks for all purchases.

I'm also taking about expanding the inputs to NICS and mandating timely participation on a state level.

And, please, save the "people who pass background checks commit firearms-related crimes" argument for someone who can't think beyond their noses.

Saving the people who want to buy guns.

Like, "Oh, I think I'll buy a gun today because I'm unstable and emotionally upset."

Great save. Not only will he pass the tests, but there are another thousand who won't.

Another school shooting, and the solution is "tougher laws" that aren't enforced. Great job, America.

 

[islandman]

Gun Show Firearm Retailer Help Police Nab Felon Attempting to Buy Firearms

It's a common refrain from the gun ban lobby that gun shows are a great resource for criminals to purchase guns. But this story from the Richmond Times Dispatch tells a different story:

http://virginiashootingsportsassoci...10/gun-show-firearm-retailer-help-police.html

Okay, this ONE story has convinced me.

Thanks.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I haven't bought a gun in fifteen years.

Come at me, and see what a shotgun can do.

"Access" to "guns"? — yeah, thanks, I got that.

 

[phrodeau]

Okay, this ONE story has convinced me.

Thanks.

I would've been convinced if they had been in Michigan or Arizona.

 

[koalabear]

Okay, this ONE story has convinced me.

Thanks.

Your ONE story seems to be missing. Gun show dealers are have FFL's, they will not risk that for one sale.

Thanks.