Founders and Framers on the People's Natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms

[islandman]

Saving the people who want to buy guns.

Like, "Oh, I think I'll buy a gun today because I'm unstable and emotionally upset."

Great save. Not only will he pass the tests, but there are another thousand who won't.

Another school shooting, and the solution is "tougher laws" that aren't enforced. Great job, America.

In your world, do all firearms-related crimes happen only in schools and by emotionally upset people?

 

[Byron In Exile]

May God help me, I would never want to do that to a person.

I once told one of my friends, "My goal in life is just to get through it without killing anybody."

 

[koalabear]

In your world, do all firearms-related crimes happen only in schools and by emotionally upset people?

Gang-bangers 85%, do try to keep up.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I might do it for the free health care, though.

 

[Byron In Exile]

In your world, do all firearms-related crimes happen only in schools and by emotionally upset people?

Nope.

 

[Noor]

I haven't bought a gun in fifteen years.

Come at me, and see what a shotgun can do.

"Access" to "guns"? — yeah, thanks, I got that.

You mentioned the above a bit earlier today.

Parts A and B

 

[islandman]

Your ONE story seems to be missing. Gun show dealers are have FFL's, they will not risk that for one sale.

Thanks.

Once again, you've convinced me. I'll just forget the nationally-culled data below that disagrees with you.



Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces


The ATF reports that between 50% and 75% of the vendors at gun shows possess a Federal Firearms License.

While FFLs are required to maintain careful records of their sales and, under the Brady Act, to check the purchaser’s background with NICS before transferring any firearm, nonlicensees have no such requirements under current law.

Thus, felons and other prohibited persons who want to avoid Brady Act checks and records of their purchase buy firearms at these shows. Indeed, a review of criminal investigations by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) reveals a wide variety of violations occurring at gun shows and substantial numbers of firearms associated with gun shows being used in drug crimes and crimes of violence, as well as being passed illegally to juveniles.

 

[islandman]

Gang-bangers 85%, do try to keep up.

"In your world...."

 

[Byron In Exile]

You mentioned the above a bit earlier today.

Parts A and B

You're being ridiculous.

You know that's my job, right?

 

[koalabear]

Once again, you've convinced me. I'll just forget the nationally-culled data below that disagrees with you.



Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces


The ATF reports that between 50% and 75% of the vendors at gun shows possess a Federal Firearms License.

While FFLs are required to maintain careful records of their sales and, under the Brady Act, to check the purchaser’s background with NICS before transferring any firearm, nonlicensees have no such requirements under current law.

Thus, felons and other prohibited persons who want to avoid Brady Act checks and records of their purchase buy firearms at these shows. Indeed, a review of criminal investigations by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) reveals a wide variety of violations occurring at gun shows and substantial numbers of firearms associated with gun shows being used in drug crimes and crimes of violence, as well as being passed illegally to juveniles.

Brady, get a reliable source. Then ask yourself why Holder isn't prosecuting the criminals.

 

[islandman]

Nope.

It's curious, then, why you chose to address only emotionally unstable individuals and schools.

Especially so when you had this issue ironed out 10 years ago.

 

[koalabear]

"In your world...."

In the FBI stats world.

 

[islandman]

Brady, get a reliable source. Then ask yourself why Holder isn't prosecuting the criminals.

Ah, a reliable source....

I'll just stick to your 'small sample size' evidence. If it works for you, then why not me?

 

[Byron In Exile]

In your world, do all firearms-related crimes happen only in schools and by emotionally upset people?

That's a media thing. If it bleeds, it leads.

I've never seen someone shot.

Could I do it? Goddamn you betcha.

 

[koalabear]

Ah, a reliable source....

I'll just stick to your 'small sample size' evidence. If it works for you, then why not me?

You don't even have sample size evidence.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/gangs

 

[islandman]

In the FBI stats world.

You're welcome to link me to whatever appropriate source that corroborates your "gun show dealers ALL have FFLs" statement.

 

[islandman]

That's a media thing. If it bleeds, it leads.

I've never seen someone shot.

Could I do it? Goddamn you betcha.

I think I get it now.

You figured this issue out 10 years ago by watching the nightly news.

In comparison, koala's reasoning sounds enlightened.

 

[Byron In Exile]

You're welcome to link me to whatever appropriate source that corroborates your "gun show dealers ALL have FFLs" statement.

Now you're talking to a rabbit.

Are you seriously interested in this?

And... why?

 

[Saint Peter]

one shot
one kill

 

[koalabear]

You're welcome to link me to whatever appropriate source that corroborates your "gun show dealers ALL have FFLs" statement.

Look it up for yourself, stop depending on the Brady Bunch.

 

[koalabear]

one shot
one kill

In Hollywood.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I think I get it now.

You figured this issue out 10 years ago by watching the nightly news.

In comparison, koala's reasoning sounds enlightened.

Koala is, to put it lightly, a maroon.

I figured this out over ten years by interacting with people like you.

You missed it, I guess. Late to the party?

 

[Saint Peter]

In Hollywood.

Be careful, bear. The only things left will be ears and asshole.

 

[Byron In Exile]

one shot
one kill

If the GB worked like that, there'd be nobody left.

Also, free JP.

 

[Saint Peter]

If the GB worked like that, there'd be nobody left.

Also, free JP.

She slipped out of the basement while I was not looking.


I will not make that mistake again.