god

[Gave Up]

nice gif, gave up.
carry on.

thank you

 

[Gave Up]

God may be a concept by which we measure our pain but faith has the capacity to to lead people to acts of both great and simple goodness as well as destruction.

If I say fuck god because the world is ugly and hateful, I'm part of the problem. I prefer to keep a good thought and the purest heart I can conjure and be part of the solution.

Gave Up, your poem sounds like a lyric to me. Is it? There are some awkward passive phrasings, like this:

mass genocide you have done

and

this control you try and hold
your soul i know you went and sold

I think these would be improved by switching them to the active voice.

Thematically, I have trouble relating because I'm not Christian, but that's my problem, I suppose. I have a hard time conceptualizing god in any single ideology.

quite right. it is for the album i am currently working on.

 

[Gave Up]

Tis too bad that so many blame an almighty entity for things they could make better themselves and even more ironic, things science has an explanation for.

I think that life is too short to rail against how bad we all have it. Look around and be happy that you have a mind to grasp the complexities of sentience.

Don't blame "God" for harshness no more than you would blame the sun for drying out your garden.

depends what god you are talking about. god is SUPPOSEDLY all power, all knowing, omnipotent. so, with that in mind, you can almost assume that god has some sort of power/control over what happens in everyones life.

 

[Gave Up]

as a newly ex minister (Of the presbyterian stripe) i feel uniquely qualified to comment on your poem. I dont disagree with it, at least not on the surface.

the fact is, i dont think religion was ever intended to justify behaviour, only to moderate it.

i thank you.
.

 

[Gave Up]

Also, Gave Up, I immediately viewed what you posted as a song. Now I may be completely wrong, but I almost thought it would be similar in tone to Nickelback's song "Because of You." Regardless, I thought it was very good and the lyrics were angry, yet thought provoking. If ever it makes it onto the radio/CD, you'll have to tell us here at Lit. (or at least tell me)

i intend to. and nickleback? i should slap you. try nine inch nails or marilyn manson.

On a completely unrelated note, the pic in your sig. line is disturbing. It's very nice, but disturbing. I can't help but wonder, is that you, or someone you know, or did you just find the pic online and use it? No, I don't actually want to know the answer (I think), I just felt inclined to mention that...

actually it's trent reznor from his video for 'closer'. something that can be fun if done right, however.

 

[Gave Up]

I think you should definitely keep writing, GaveUp. You have a flair for the dramatic, and that is what poetry needs. Drama and passion. That being said,

thanks, i plan to, as i said above, it's song lyrics, so that can probably explain the anger, etc.

if i ever thought this was a lie thought what was a lie?

religion/the bible/how we are supposed to live

God caused mass genocide? When?

where have you been living? the flood, sodom and gamora (however you spel it)

I think some Angels may carry blades; not God

well, angels were created by god, and he put the blades in their hands, did he not?

Who did He sell it to? I missed that part

my thoughts on his choices about creating this earth and letting it fall like it has.

I hope you're not offended, GaveUp, but in my humble opinion this is awful. Sure, your grammar is good and spelling etc. You have your thoughts broken into 4 line stanzas- thats good- makes it look like a poem. Or maybe you are trying for a lyric. It'll work. As long as the music is really cool heavy metal thrash stuff, so loud you can't hear the words. Because they really make no sense. You don't give a specific incident that your pissed off about. It might be different if say... you were born with 3 heads, or dickless, or in some other way less than perfect. The rest of us to whom God gave smooth and groovy lives would understand. This is just Teenage Angst. Shock Schlock.

I'm not a mean person. I understand the doubts and fears we all have as teens and young adults. I understand that we have questions about our own mortality. I understand the changes we go through when we try to decide which way is best for us regarding spirituality. I did 12 years in the old fashioned Catholic schools and then hit the streets as the 60's were taking off, and my friends were dying in some Godforsaken place called VietNam. So I do understand your feelings.

But I feel that if you want to share this misery with the masses you'll have to be a bit more specific, and a lot less insulting to a God that a bazillion people follow. Many of them learned men, not just sheep.

There. Critique #2

not offended at all,as said before, it is in fact, lyrics, not a poem. but i figured, aside from the difference, i can at least get some thoughts from the lot of you either way. perhaps it is teenage angst, considering what i went through as a teen hadn't been delt w. being raised in a controlling enviroment like i was certainly did lead to pent up anger. or perhaps also, i used those words and style simply to get to teens. i mean, really, who buys majority of records?, teenagers who are pissed off at the world.

as far as doubts or fears. i don't have doubts about god or fears about him. if i feared him, i certainly wouldn't be saying what i am saying here. and doubts? i do doubt there is a god, but i am not in turmoil about it. i am not searching for anything else to replace him. however, as i said before, IF there is a god, he can rightly kiss my ass. that is how i feel.

"But I feel that if you want to share this misery with the masses you'll have to be a bit more specific, and a lot less insulting to a God that a bazillion people follow. Many of them learned men, not just sheep."

heh, see, this is where we differ. my intention IS to be insulting to god. IF he is there, i want him to rightly know exactly how i feel. as i see it, again if he exists, he is a child w a magnifying glass having a good time w us at our expense, and for that, i feel he needs to be slapped. the point of what i wrote isn't to bring to light my thoughts to a world that is blindly worshipping him, it's to state simply, 'fuck you' w/o saying 'fuck you'.

and 'learned men', that is an opinion, because i certainly do not believe that anyone who is 'learned' would see god any other way. BUT, that is the wonderful thing called 'difference of opinion'. so, either way, respect for your opinions. they are appreciated. i like to think and i like to challange myself and others, so keep it coming!

 

[bluerains]

not security of such...but ,

You've lost me completely here blue.

The older I get and the more I learn, it seems to me there are no universal laws. That notion seems to belong to childhood feelings of security. One of the driving reasons behind creativity I think, whether scientific or the arts, is that we use such activities like building blocks for adults, exploring our environment, perception and existence as a whole because we are looking for something solid which we don't have.

ok...

THE PRINCIPLE OF MENTALISM.
THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE.
THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION.
THE PRINCIPLE OF POLARITY.
THE PRINCIPLE OF RHYTHM.
THE PRINCIPLE OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.
THE PRINCIPLE OF GENDER.....
harmonic balance is an art to strive for for self...as (I) am neither above or below..but...still..knowing that I have a choice..not to be chosen...

but, tis just bit of the puzzle of life we unravel each day...nature and time /space and we who try to bend her willow to suit us...and yes one can be lost in many ideas forever...and on them...I choose to store them in my mind and find balance in this timeline...really is the bottom line of message I would ponder...

 

[Gave Up]

how many times are you going to edit your post?

 

[4degrees]

 

[Gave Up]

poor coloring.

 

[4degrees]

i tweaked it with psp. he's green deliberatly, with lipstick.

 

[Gave Up]

i tweaked it with psp. he's green deliberatly, with lipstick.

gotcha!

 

[Nickie Smiles]

i am kinda in between on it. i was raised JW, so the god thing was forced on me. but then, as i grew up, i got all rebelious and went atheist. and now where i sit is more of: if there is a god, fuck you for what you have done w this world, and for what has happened to me in my life, so i guess the answer, would be, yes i do.

I can understand becoming hostile being forced into religion as a child. No one should have done that to you. This happens a lot with the JW's. But as a Christian and through my beliefs, it is not God who has fucked up your life or the Earth. It is quite the opposite - Lucifer.

I'm not going to sit here and preach to you, but would like to recommend reading the King James version of the Bible to understand. I didn't read the ENTIRE thread here, but if you already have done this, nevermind. You may not have enough faith to believe it is true (KJ Bible) because of your past experiences.

You can't give up on hope. You just can't. There is a way out of your pain, and if you'd like to discuss this more, I would be more than happy to chat with you in a pm. I hate to see someone feeling this way. I once was there myself.

No pressure to you - just my heart reaching out. I hope you find peace. I truly do.

 

[Lonelypoet]

The Existence Of God

"The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God." ( Psalm 14:1 )

 

[Tathagata]

"Discrimination, knowledge, non-delusion,
Forgiveness, truthfulness, control over the mind and senses,
Pleasure, pain, birth, death, fear, fearlessness;


Nonviolence, equanimity, contentment,
Austerity, charity, fame, and ill fame;
All these diverse qualities in human beings
Arise from Me alone.

I am the origin of all.
Everything emanates from Me....

Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread."

Bhagavad Gita

 

[Tathagata]

god comes to the hungry in the form of food

 

[Angeline]

i tweaked it with psp. he's green deliberatly, with lipstick.

I think it cries out for words in a nice variety of white fonts. You know, a poem.

 

[Angeline]

god comes to the hungry in the form of food

Can you send me a chocolate nutty buddy?

 

[Tathagata]

Can you send me a chocolate nutty buddy?

What, no rugeleh?

 

[bogusbrig]

"The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God." ( Psalm 14:1 )

God is a human concept. Creation is not a concept of god.

'Religion is but a desperate attempt to find an escape from the truly dreadful situation in which we find ourselves. Here we are in this wholly fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to whether our existence has any real significance. No wonder then that many people feel the need for some belief that gives them a sense of security, and no wonder that they become very angry with people like me who say that this is illusory.'

Fred Hoyle
The Nature of the Universe

 

[Angeline]

What, no rugeleh?

I like the strawberry kind and the kind with apple cinnamon. Sure. Send those, too. You're a very giving godforce (but only if I get my rugeleh).

 

[Angeline]

God is a human concept. Creation is not a concept of god.

'Religion is but a desperate attempt to find an escape from the truly dreadful situation in which we find ourselves. Here we are in this wholly fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to whether our existence has any real significance. No wonder then that many people feel the need for some belief that gives them a sense of security, and no wonder that they become very angry with people like me who say that this is illusory.'

Fred Hoyle
The Nature of the Universe

<shrug>

glass half empty.

 

[Tathagata]

God is a metaphor for that which trancends all levels of intellectual thought. It's as simple as that.
Joseph Campbell

 

[Tathagata]

I like the strawberry kind and the kind with apple cinnamon. Sure. Send those, too. You're a very giving godforce (but only if I get my rugeleh).

I don't remember who said it but
" God answers all prayers...and sometimes the answer is no"

strawberry rugeleh and a nutty buddy...

God wants to know if you have the munchies??

 

[eagleyez]

god held a traffic sign
all day,
smiled at all the cars
and lit way too many smokes,
she had a brown face
and the jailhouse tatoo
visible on her hand
as she waved and
her long native hair
blew back
to the casino
where she placed
her bets on him
and a happy life.

god accepted herself
and decided, practiced kindness
as the sun fell over electric wires
and a mosaic of mystery.