Gor - is there any thing of value there for r/t?

[deliciea]

In true Gorean there is no you give me a second and i will find a few qoutes for you

 

[mskittykatt]

i appreciate your efforts to educate us deliciea! i look forward to hearing more from you.

what is the allure of this kind of relationship for you?

i love the look in my honey's eyes when i wear a certain article of clothing for him - or the look of satisfaction when i've accomplished what he asked of me.

it seems to me that those things would be largely magnified if they were all you had left... sort of like the use of our other senses when we're blindfolded?

 

[deliciea]

A slave is just that: a slave. A possession. A thing which can be sold or given away or killed merely at a Master's whim. In the books of John Norman, there are many instances of Tarl Cabot showing love for a slave, while in a different time or place, He doesn't hesitate to sell or rid Himself of that same slave. As His time on Gor lengthened, He became more and more Gorean in thought and deed. His attitude toward slaves slowly changed -- became Gorean in nature and philosophy until ultimately He valued a slave as what she truly was: slave, plain and simply.


consider the Gorean way of viewing slaves. Are we expecting to be coddled as loved and cherished beings? Or are we slaves, in all that the term means? Do we give everything and expect nothing in return? Or do we work hard simply for the rewards our labor and devotion will earn us? A fine line there. One that is hard to separate, for even slaves are human and have human needs and feelings.


The most fundamental property prized by Goreans in women, I suppose, though little is said about it, is her need for love, and her capacity for love. How much does she need love? And how deep and loving is she? That is the kind of woman a man wants, ultimately, one who is helplessly and totally love's captive, in his collar.
-- page 322, Mercenaries of Gor


Also consider this. On the world of Gor, a slave with true heart and belly served out of love and devotion to her Master, not just because she was enslaved to Him..

The slave makes no bargains; she does not desire small demands to be placed on her; she does not ask for ease; she asks nothing; she gives all; she seeks to love and selflessly serve.
- - page 139, Blood Brothers of Gor

What is your duty?' asked my master. `Absolute obedience,' I replied
Page 106 Slave Girl of GOR

He took me by the hair and thrust my head down to the furs. 'A man can truly love only that woman,' he said, 'who is truly his, who belongs to him. Otherwise he is only a part to a contract.' 'A woman,' I said, 'can love only that man to whom she truly belongs.' 'To whom do you truly belong, Slave?' he asked. 'To you, Master, 'I said. 'You please me, Slave Girl,' he said.
pg 444 Slave Girl of GOR



girl hopes this will help some

 

[mskittykatt]

A slave is just that: a slave. A possession. A thing which can be sold or given away or killed merely at a Master's whim. In the books of John Norman, there are many instances of Tarl Cabot showing love for a slave, while in a different time or place, He doesn't hesitate to sell or rid Himself of that same slave. As His time on Gor lengthened, He became more and more Gorean in thought and deed. His attitude toward slaves slowly changed -- became Gorean in nature and philosophy until ultimately He valued a slave as what she truly was: slave, plain and simply.


consider the Gorean way of viewing slaves. Are we expecting to be coddled as loved and cherished beings? Or are we slaves, in all that the term means? Do we give everything and expect nothing in return? Or do we work hard simply for the rewards our labor and devotion will earn us? A fine line there. One that is hard to separate, for even slaves are human and have human needs and feelings.


The most fundamental property prized by Goreans in women, I suppose, though little is said about it, is her need for love, and her capacity for love. How much does she need love? And how deep and loving is she? That is the kind of woman a man wants, ultimately, one who is helplessly and totally love's captive, in his collar.
-- page 322, Mercenaries of Gor


Also consider this. On the world of Gor, a slave with true heart and belly served out of love and devotion to her Master, not just because she was enslaved to Him..

The slave makes no bargains; she does not desire small demands to be placed on her; she does not ask for ease; she asks nothing; she gives all; she seeks to love and selflessly serve.
- - page 139, Blood Brothers of Gor

What is your duty?' asked my master. `Absolute obedience,' I replied
Page 106 Slave Girl of GOR

He took me by the hair and thrust my head down to the furs. 'A man can truly love only that woman,' he said, 'who is truly his, who belongs to him. Otherwise he is only a part to a contract.' 'A woman,' I said, 'can love only that man to whom she truly belongs.' 'To whom do you truly belong, Slave?' he asked. 'To you, Master, 'I said. 'You please me, Slave Girl,' he said.
pg 444 Slave Girl of GOR



girl hopes this will help some

a lot of this i completely understand - and i feel they can be real goals and actually achieved between two people willing to do the work behind the play.
on some levels we all are possessions - or seen as such whether conciously or un.
last night at the grocery store we ran into two people (another couple) that my honey used to work with. their relationship is very superficial and there was no need or desire to go through lengthy and uncomfortable introductions.
i saw them simply as his co workers and they saw me as his wife... to them - they saw no personality (aside from polite greetings) from me.

as you can't kill anyone without reprocussion in reality - i don't see how that applies.
there are many BDSM couples living in 24/7 TPE or as close as can be had - what is different about Gor?

 

[Soron]

All About Spirituality

To begin with, I'm in agreement with Chele and some others that the Norman books are pretty badly written. If you want fantasy read about Frodo and Sam or Shea and Flick.
I have read 'Captives of Gor' though and the one positive idea I took from that book was the spirit of the slave's desire to please her Master. And, when I came to Lit a few months ago needing a nic I took Soron, who in the book is a slave trader, thinking it was fairly mysterious.
I will let everyone in on a little enterprising scam though. People tend to scour used book stores and flea markets and buy up the old Norman books and sell them on e-bay for outrageous amounts. I refused to pay fifty bucks for a used paperback so I hit the used bookstore close to the university here and asked the clerk about them. He divulged the e-bay story and sold me a book he had in his back room for seven dollars. Still too much I thought, but better than fifty.
In training belle my wish is to expose her to as much information as possible concerning all types of lifestyles. In it's truest sense I suppose Gorean slaves don't require any love from their Master. In D/s I see that as the opposite, even though both have a need to serve.
And, I like saying kajira too...

 

[Never]

*wanders onto this thread*
Holy shit!

 

[Never]

Question:
If a man and a woman were in a Gorian relationship, the man told the woman to commit a crime, and she did, whom should we punish for the crime?

 

[silken_mystery]

Question:
If a man and a woman were in a Gorian relationship, the man told the woman to commit a crime, and she did, whom should we punish for the crime?

good question Never, while in a gorean setting a man wouldn't knowingly indanger his property. Though in such a case the woman would be punished for the crime. And no doubt would not yield the name of who told her to commit such if that was ordered by the man that bid her to draw the crime.

 

[quietwillow]

Gor

I am not really into Gor as a RT slave or sub, but some of the ritual type things they do like postions and whatnot can enhance a relationship imo.

The way Gorean slaves must talk drives me nuts for one thing. I need nourishment of my soul and my submission not just being thought of as property.

To each their own though.

quiet

 

[deliciea]

and with the true gorean there is more in alot of ways it is like BDSM but there are little differnces that make it what it is and as for the site that i promised here they are


http://www.madylarian.com

http://www.castlerealm.com

http://www.madylarian.com/subnation/dsrules.html

here you can order the GOREAN books on line

http://www.goreandirectory.com/books.html
and here are a gor chat
www.gorchat.com

 

[catalina_francisco]

In light of recent discussions, thought this thread might provide additional reading.

Catalina

 

[cati]

My two cents worth. As I have mentioned in another thread I have done the Gorean roleplay thing in Excite Chat, Palace Chat and Bondage.com. It taught me patience, protocol and structure, not to mention obedience. Maybe I should have said I taught myself these things in order to play the part of whatever colour silk was fashionable at the time...smiles. For all that Gor was incredibly boring if you weren't taken to the "furs" on a regular basis. Damn, but it was alot of work...learning positions, serves, the Gorean terms for food, drink, ...you name it, the list goes on! It's all there on the web for anyone who is interested. Oh did I mention learning the Gorean dictionary and maps of the cities and regions?
Online Gorean Masters seemed to me ever so masterful, more powerful and more well endowed with insatiable sexual appetites that naturally went with. It was all great fun. Basically the attraction was the sex, becoming truly female, and basically an animal ... at the mercy of "real" men who knew how to treat "real" women...smiles.
Now as far as real life goes... I knew one "allegedly Gorean" slave who loved to posture. She liked to tell anyone who would listen that she was born a true slave...whatever that means. Funny thing in all of this was that the "Masters" that she met online and had RT relationships with "allegedly" abused her, beat her and tried to rape her...or so the story went. She was a big girl in all ways and these guys were nearly half her size, she could easily beat the crap out of any one of them. But that wasn't really the point...it was the attention that she sought...the drama. In my opinion if "a girl is truly Gorean" beatings, whippings, an occasional rape or two would be part and parcel of being a kajira. In fact there wasn't/isn't one submissive bone in that girl's body.

 

[catalina_francisco]

My two cents worth. As I have mentioned in another thread I have done the Gorean roleplay thing in Excite Chat, Palace Chat and Bondage.com. It taught me patience, protocol and structure, not to mention obedience. Maybe I should have said I taught myself these things in order to play the part of whatever colour silk was fashionable at the time...smiles. For all that Gor was incredibly boring if you weren't taken to the "furs" on a regular basis. Damn, but it was alot of work...learning positions, serves, the Gorean terms for food, drink, ...you name it, the list goes on! It's all there on the web for anyone who is interested. Oh did I mention learning the Gorean dictionary and maps of the cities and regions?
Online Gorean Masters seemed to me ever so masterful, more powerful and more well endowed with insatiable sexual appetites that naturally went with. It was all great fun. Basically the attraction was the sex, becoming truly female, and basically an animal ... at the mercy of "real" men who knew how to treat "real" women...smiles.
Now as far as real life goes... I knew one "allegedly Gorean" slave who loved to posture. She liked to tell anyone who would listen that she was born a true slave...whatever that means. Funny thing in all of this was that the "Masters" that she met online and had RT relationships with "allegedly" abused her, beat her and tried to rape her...or so the story went. She was a big girl in all ways and these guys were nearly half her size, she could easily beat the crap out of any one of them. But that wasn't really the point...it was the attention that she sought...the drama. In my opinion if "a girl is truly Gorean" beatings, whippings, an occasional rape or two would be part and parcel of being a kajira. In fact there wasn't/isn't one submissive bone in that girl's body.

I think this is what most here are saying, it is an online fantasy world which does not transfer to RL honestly, but gives a lot of wannabes and dishonest folk a ready platform to spin their BS. I guess I am biased because I am not that into online D/s, in fact it is something which will usually make me steer clear of someone if that is their main focus and they keep wanting to play those 'let's pretend I am whipping you' games and worse still, talking about them as if they really happened. As to Gor Masters being so sexually insatiable, once again it is so easy to fake that online...bet most of them would be all washed up for the next week once they came once. Give me my own flesh and blood Master who can and does want it several times a day year round and still has passion and desire for more and the ability to carry it out. The reality is much more awesome and masterful than any fantasy character can ever be for me.

Catalina

 

[the captians wench]

I might be a bit spoiled in this as I have friends who practice Gor, tho admittedly to what extent I could not tell you, but I talked to them and learned of Gor from them long before I ever knew there were orp sites for it. I borrowed one book, an early one the third in the seriese, from one of them, and really liked the concept, so I did the ebay thing. While it's true most of the books on ebay are over priced, every once in a while I could pick one up for $5-$10 including shipping. Anyway, from talking with them, and reading the books, I'm pretty sure that that style would not be right for me full time. But having been permitted to be sessioned by these friends, I will tell you I didn't think it so bad. They were very strict, very stern, but more than anything else I think that's a personality thing than a matter of what books you've read.

I don't think I could be a gorean slave ( I'm needy enough when I do get reasurance and acknowledgement *giggles*), but some things, as the positions, do appeal to me. but nothing that I think would be considered strictly gor.

 

[cati]

We have met a few couples who were into the Gorean lifestyle, again as much as it could be transferred into RL. just as Catalina stated in her post. It was really cool to see the slave quietly kneeling at their Masters feet. I'm not ashamed to say I found it quite beautiful. How they behaved as a couple in private I dunno... Most people were kinda awed by the whole Gorean display.
We have about 8 Gor books sitting on the shelf collecting dust. Most "used" book stores carry the odd copy. Shoot, even my Dad read them when they first came out...scary eh?

 

[catalina_francisco]

Bump...

 

[RJMasters]

I liked some of the rituals associated with Gor. Mainly the dances. I am a total sucker when it comes to a woman dancing for me.

- I love watching the way a woman's body moves
- I like it more when she is moving with purpose and intention for me

I was talking to my boss today about this in a way when he brought up paying for sex. I told him I wouldn't pay for sex, but I would sit there and throw/give money to women who would dance for me....

He looked at me wierd and said your one of those guys that I just don't understand. I just leaned back in my chair and gave him a grin and said, no....I imagine you don't.

 

[incubus_dark]

I completely understand RJ's point regarding dancers; lovely. Can watch all day.

But Gor? It seems to me to be in the same league as being a trecky, or one of those adults who dresses as Harry Potter and lines up with the kids on first release day. It can't translate to the outside world except as excerpts, for example I've never seen a gorean master wander up Oxford St Sydney in furs with a big sword, nor witnessed a slave girl go to K-mart in her transparent harem get up. In private, it's a version of role play. If that's the role play your into, then fill your boots, but don't tell me your any more special than anyone else (say adult babies or sissy boys) because of it. On line, it's just like any other online experience, imaginary group role play. Still, when searching for a new idea or something to spark the imagination, anything can be grist for the mill if it appeals.

 

[RJMasters]

I kind of like to take things from it that can "translate" to r/t rather than put myself into the gorean world role. I hope that makes sense.

Not sure if this would interest you at all, but have you ever enjoyed a cerimonial serve of tea. My thinking is more along the idea of a japanese style serve. This is another thing I can see that can translate well, be personalized by putting more of a modern spin on it. I have never had this but the thought of it intrests me.

The closest I have had to it was when I was in the phillipines...on the weekends I would go to a bar/bath house. We often bought american liquor from the PX and it commanded a high value to local bartendars who could serve their patrons american liquor...for that me and my buddies recieved good treatment. We got to sit out back on this wooden deck and there was always two or three women who would dump cool buckets of water on us and wash us head to toe...and while that was going on there would be one girl who would server us drinks or tea.

It was great even in a common setting like that, but I think I would like it much more in a personalized sense. In a way like dancing, I enjoy watching the purpose or intent of a serve like that.

 

[Knightenslaves]

To sort of piggyback on what has been said here and move forward with My two cents...
Gor has a lot of things Myself and My little one bring into our lives to enhance the Master/slave dynamic. Such as calling her little one and the slave positions. When she is punished she is often put into what is called the "belly position" to show obeisance. This gives her time to sit and think about what she has done. Also she often sits in nadu for Me. Could these things be done by corner time and kneeling...probably but this is our way.
Also by her always referring to Me as my Master and not Master or Sir. In essence Gor has a lot of etiquette to it that can enhance a submissive's feelings and soul.

I think a lot of people are put off by their dealings with one or two people using Gor to promote misogyny which is not Gorean at all. I can go into further detail as the conversation continues but I fear My post may be too wordy already....let's just say every community of people, especially on the internet has its fair share of assholes and unfortunately you met one...or two.