Gun play?

[culloden]

My sons and their buddies have Airsoft battles all the time. They wear full face masks. I went out to join the fun one time wearing only wrap-around safety glasses. One of the little darlings shot me in the lip using a relatively low-velocity pistol. That literally brought tears to my eyes, and I had a fat lip for days. At close range, I think a higher velocity Airsoft rifle might just penetrate bare skin. It would at least leave a hell of a welt. I'm sure one could cause serious eye damage.

So, be careful out there.

 

[SimonBrooke]

I thank all of you for your information. I agree with the idea of making the weapon unusable. Removing the firing pin, caulk in the magazine well, good ideas. What about prop weapons. Toy guns painted to resemble real firearms? Is that a practical practice or would that not create the fear required due to weight, look, and feel? I guess the biggest reason I'm opposed to this is because about a year ago I had a Negligent Discharge of my pistol. Fortunately no one was hurt due to the round type being a hollow point.

Thank you all again for the information.

When I was young, the group I ran with got hold of an athletics starting pistol. It was a revolver (six chambers) but the barrel was solid (don't think it had ever had a drilled barrel - it was made as a starting pistol, not adapted from anything else). There was a port on the top of the barrel through which the gasses from the discharge vented, and, obviously, it only took blank rounds.

Being very young and very foolish, we used, when stoned, to play Russian roulette with this thing. There was genuinely a big adrenaline rush about it. Obviously when it did go off it it was enormously loud and startling... but I think the symbolic nature of a gun contributed to the sense of anticipation and fear and adrenaline.

I have never used any sort of gun in sexual play, and don't find it particularly interesting. But I can completely understand how, for people who do find the idea interesting, even a gun which was known to be fake would work.

 

[SimonBrooke]

Yes, if it's done right. People have actually robbed banks with their finger in their pocket and the threat of a gun. The only important element is that your bottom thinks it's a dangerous situation.

It's like tying and blindfolding your lover, going away, putting on different boots so your footsteps sound different and someone else's jacket so you smell different, coming back with a different stride, and fucking her. At some level she probably really knows it's you. At some level she knows that the frisson that it might be someone else is just that - a carefully controlled frisson like a ride at an amusement park. But she still gets the frisson, she can still get off on the fear and uncertainty. In fact, actually, the more that, deep down, she knows she's safe, the more she can relax and luxuriate in the fear.

 

[Etoile]

they will cost you an eye if your not careful with them

*visions of red ryder bb gun*

YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!!

 

[Homburg]

*visions of red ryder bb gun*

YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!!

"No! No! IwantanOfficialRedRyderCarbine-ActionTwo-Hundred-ShotRangeModelAirRifle!"


Though my favourite quote is probably:

"In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan."

 

[Etoile]

"No! No! IwantanOfficialRedRyderCarbine-ActionTwo-Hundred-ShotRangeModelAirRifle!"


Though my favourite quote is probably:

"In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan."

They really make and sell that leg lamp, you know. I want one so bad. I hope it arrives in a box marked FRA-GEE-LAY.

 

[Netzach]

When I was young, the group I ran with got hold of an athletics starting pistol. It was a revolver (six chambers) but the barrel was solid (don't think it had ever had a drilled barrel - it was made as a starting pistol, not adapted from anything else). There was a port on the top of the barrel through which the gasses from the discharge vented, and, obviously, it only took blank rounds.

Being very young and very foolish, we used, when stoned, to play Russian roulette with this thing. There was genuinely a big adrenaline rush about it. Obviously when it did go off it it was enormously loud and startling... but I think the symbolic nature of a gun contributed to the sense of anticipation and fear and adrenaline.

I have never used any sort of gun in sexual play, and don't find it particularly interesting. But I can completely understand how, for people who do find the idea interesting, even a gun which was known to be fake would work.

Wasn't there also some hack actor who died from shooting a blank round into his head with a prop?

 

[Homburg]

They really make and sell that leg lamp, you know. I want one so bad. I hope it arrives in a box marked FRA-GEE-LAY.

Full. Of. Awesome.

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Wasn't there also some hack actor who died from shooting a blank round into his head with a prop?

Yup, he was joking around, put it to his temple, and pulled the trigger. The wadding did enough damage to kill him.

 

[radepor]

Gun Play? Try, near tradegy play.

Within a few shorts year of returning from the Vietnam war, I accumulated several guns and I was, of course, very, very adroit with weapons.

However, one night, several coincidences occurred that scared the crap out of me.

One night, I was slightly drunk, horny, and for some unexplainable reason felt the need to pull out one of my 14-15 guns (a 44 magnum by the way) and play with it just as my wife and I were about to go to bed and engage in ...

Did I mention all my handguns are loaded.

For reasons I still can't explain, I pulled back the hammer (Ruger 44 magnums are single-action) and I pulled the trigger; fortunately, my wife was sitting beside me, not in front, and the bullet went through the closet door, the closet wall, the wall across the hall into another closet, through the ceiling in the closet and fell somewhere in the attic without damaging the roof.

I loved my wife. I will never be able to describe the sheer terror I felt at how close I came to killing her. I don't want to (even consider) the sensation of sickness (sea-sickness doesn't even come close) that I felt for a constant 72 hours afterward.

On the other hand, I love guns. They aren't just a tool, they're almost an art-form.

I can't imagine our society becoming so paranoid that we ban them; however, in an age where an infant almost has to wear a helmet to take a bath, I'm not certain what we will do about the Constitutional amendment allowing ownership of guns.

Having stated my personal feelings about a near-perfect tool; guns must be treated with enormous respect. Children should be trained to use them but prohibited from using them without adult supervision. Felons should not be allowed to obtain them. Idiots (like myself) should have their trigger-finger removed.

Now, I will really get weird. I believe guns rights advocates should be supported. I believe our 200 years of democracy has almost instilled a genetic inclination toward individual freedom. Coupled with the 200 year tradition of voting for our government(s), our society seems almost impervious to the whims of individuals that dominate so many other countries. However, I think there's another reason no one has attempted to impose anything resembling a dictatorship in the U.S. -- except maybe Nixon.

Guns. When you're a wannabe dictator, you don't argue with 50 million people who are armed. On the other hand, if your army is the only game in town, then you can do what you want.

I fully respect opposing opinions, especially from those who live in super-cities where gun violence seems/is rampant. Please express yourselves.

Oh by the way, for those who like to play with guns...please reread the first few paragraphs.

While browsing some of the contracts from the library thread I found references to "gun play" and google has failed me yet again in my search of erotic knowledge. Does any one know what exactly this is? If so I must ask what is the motivation behind this EXTREMELY dangerous act? I have been around firearms all my life and the danger they can pose is more than any act I have heard of to date. I am of the view that firearms are not toys in any way. The only reason they are there is to kill and I just can't wrap my mind around using them in any way other than that.

I am not trying to dissuade anyone from this if they do it, but I dislike being ignorant and am looking for some help in fixing this.

-Burns

 

[Corylea]

There's some psychological research that suggests that emotion is composed of two pieces: the physiological arousal and the cognitive context. Anything that induces fear produces a strong physiological arousal, but if the fear-producing thing is also seen as sexy by the person experiencing it, then that strong fear also becomes a strong turn-on.

Different people find different things sexy-scary as opposed to just plain scary; for some people (though not for me), that thing is guns. Does the top have to be careful? Of course. Is it possible to do this safely? Of course.

Fear is a very primal emotion, as is sex; adding one to the other can make both of them stronger. One of the hottest and most memorable scenes I've ever done involved piercing a bottom who was both fascinated by piercing and terrified of it. Having him visibly trembling with fear -- seriously shaking! -- while also having him be harder than I'd ever seen him before, well, that was an absolutely incredible high.

Finding what makes your bottom both wild with fear and seriously hot is an investigation that's well worth the effort. Oh, sure, I can wave a knife around because I think knives are cool, but that's nowhere near as satisfying as finding my bottom's secret fear and playing with it. I don't care if they're scared of lemonade; if a bottom finds something both scary and fascinating, that thing is very fertile ground!

From the bottom side, the hottest person I ever played with had Dissociative Identity Disorder. I was pretty sure that he'd stay the one I was dating during a scene, but there was always the danger that he'd become someone else -- someone who didn't love me, who maybe didn't even know me, and who had a lot of residual anger from an abusive childhood. I never wanted to see that person, but knowing it was possible made the sweet and playful man I was actually dating seem a lot scarier than he might otherwise be, and he enjoyed playing with that possibility. Of course, I think the recesses of a person's mind contain the scariest things of all -- I don't need guns when I've got weird friends.

 

[radepor]

Say what?

Dissociative Identity Disorder? Please don't use terms that make my eyes water. I'm only running a 256k brain.

If you mean Jekyll/Hyde, can you just say that? etc?

There's some psychological research that suggests that emotion is composed of two pieces: the physiological arousal and the cognitive context. Anything that induces fear produces a strong physiological arousal, but if the fear-producing thing is also seen as sexy by the person experiencing it, then that strong fear also becomes a strong turn-on.

Different people find different things sexy-scary as opposed to just plain scary; for some people (though not for me), that thing is guns. Does the top have to be careful? Of course. Is it possible to do this safely? Of course.

Fear is a very primal emotion, as is sex; adding one to the other can make both of them stronger. One of the hottest and most memorable scenes I've ever done involved piercing a bottom who was both fascinated by piercing and terrified of it. Having him visibly trembling with fear -- seriously shaking! -- while also having him be harder than I'd ever seen him before, well, that was an absolutely incredible high.

Finding what makes your bottom both wild with fear and seriously hot is an investigation that's well worth the effort. Oh, sure, I can wave a knife around because I think knives are cool, but that's nowhere near as satisfying as finding my bottom's secret fear and playing with it. I don't care if they're scared of lemonade; if a bottom finds something both scary and fascinating, that thing is very fertile ground!

From the bottom side, the hottest person I ever played with had Dissociative Identity Disorder. I was pretty sure that he'd stay the one I was dating during a scene, but there was always the danger that he'd become someone else -- someone who didn't love me, who maybe didn't even know me, and who had a lot of residual anger from an abusive childhood. I never wanted to see that person, but knowing it was possible made the sweet and playful man I was actually dating seem a lot scarier than he might otherwise be, and he enjoyed playing with that possibility. Of course, I think the recesses of a person's mind contain the scariest things of all -- I don't need guns when I've got weird friends.

 

[popcorn2721]

"No! No! IwantanOfficialRedRyderCarbine-ActionTwo-Hundred-ShotRangeModelAirRifle!"


Though my favourite quote is probably:

"In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan."

mine is:
"Some men are Baptist, others Catholics.. my Father was an Oldsmobile man."

Wasn't there also some hack actor who died from shooting a blank round into his head with a prop?

Yeah, It was Jon-Erik Hexum from the TV show Voyagers

I remember when that happened.. they said the wad from the gun actually hit hard enough to penetrate his skull.

 

[Corylea]

I'm only running a 256k brain.

Maybe you should upgrade.

 

[radepor]

I'm disappointed

Clearly, I have a head that's only designed to accommodate 256k and can't be upgraded; I guess I'll have to have me scrapped. I thought you'd have more compassion.

Besides, I was serious; did you mean split personality?

Maybe you should upgrade.

 

[nh23]

Within a few shorts year of returning from the Vietnam war, I accumulated several guns and I was, of course, very, very adroit with weapons.

However, one night, several coincidences occurred that scared the crap out of me.

One night, I was slightly drunk, horny, and for some unexplainable reason felt the need to pull out one of my 14-15 guns (a 44 magnum by the way) and play with it just as my wife and I were about to go to bed and engage in ...

Did I mention all my handguns are loaded.

Oh by the way, for those who like to play with guns...please reread the first few paragraphs.

I'd like to point out that everyone isn't this goddamn stupid.

 

[Etoile]

Dissociative Identity Disorder? Please don't use terms that make my eyes water. I'm only running a 256k brain.

If you mean Jekyll/Hyde, can you just say that? etc?

Dissociative Identity Disorder is the modern-day term for Multiple Personality Disorder, yes. MPD has fallen out of favor in psychiatric circles and DID is the new term.

 

[Etoile]

I'd like to point out that everyone isn't this goddamn stupid.

To keep guns loaded, you mean?

And not in a locked cabinet that cannot be opened by non-sober people/children?

 

[Corylea]

Besides, I was serious; did you mean split personality?

Google is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder


That's a hard question to answer, because I don't know what you mean by the term.

"Split personality" is a piece of professional jargon that came into being to describe the split often observed in schizophrenics between how they think and how they feel. A lot of people think that "schizophrenia" refers to people who have more than one personality. It doesn't. Oh, it's a serious mental disorder, all right, and the people who suffer from it face serious challenges, but it doesn't involve having two personalities.

Having more than one personality at a time used to be called "Multiple Personality Disorder;" it was renamed to "Dissociative Identity Disorder" several years ago.

Do I mean "split personality?" No, not if we're talking about the professional term. As for the way laypeople use the term, that has no settled definition, so your question is essentially unanswerable as it stands.

Do I mean more than one personality inhabiting the same body? Yes, that's what I mean. This is NOT called "split personality," and I think "Jekyll and Hyde" is disrespectful -- these are real people we're talking about here, real people who've already had more trouble heaped upon their heads than any one human being should have to deal with in a lifetime.

 

[nh23]

To keep guns loaded, you mean?

And not in a locked cabinet that cannot be opened by non-sober people/children?

Yep

 

[Lobo_8]

Without going too off topic (a little late for that I think), I keep my POW (personally owned weapon) loaded and easy to access by me or my wife. My oldest child is 2 and she can't reach it.

My reasoning behind this is pretty common in concealed carry/weapons for home defence circles. If I have to go to 2 different places to get my weapon, and my ammo, then proceed to load my weapon that is VERY valuable time wasted in defence of my family and home. The intruder can hear me moving and assault me before I have a chance to do all this. If I have to unlock ONE place and already have my weapon loaded, or if I just have to reach to a top shelf in my closed to get my weapon then I am armed well before the intruder gets to me or my family.

What was stupid was that he dunk enough to not remember his gun safety. My wife and I have long talks about this issue on a regular basis to make sure we are both on the same page safety wise. As our children get older we will have a gun safe with a fingerprint/keypad locking system but we feel that right now (however nice it would be) is not essential due to the age of our children.

-Burns

 

[Homburg]

To keep guns loaded, you mean?

And not in a locked cabinet that cannot be opened by non-sober people/children?

Honestly, I'm gonna say "meh" to this, or at least part of it. The house(s) I grew up in had loaded guns that were unsecured. I knew where they were and could get to them with no problems. My mom and dad likewise grew up in houses that were the same way, as did the vast majority of my relatives. While there have been ND's in my family history, not a one of them involved a child. Kids are taught at an early age what a gun is and that they are not to be touched without adult supervision.

To give an example, I ran my three kids through a quicky version of the Eddie Eagle firearms safety program* a bit more than a year ago. Youngest daughter would have been three at the time. Here recently, MIS mentioned a gun around her and youngest daughter rattled off "Stop! Don't touch it! Find an adult!" right away. She was three when I taught her this, and a year later remembered it just fine without prompting. I've shown my kids various types and styles of guns and they've been able to correctly identify that it was a firearm, and thus not something to be touched without an adult around.

I would FAR rather see children educated to not fool around with something potentially dangerous than to lock it up, keep it arcane and mysterious, and thus enhance the cache and mystique of the item.



* - Eddie Eagle is the NRA's child firearms safety education program. I'm not a big fan of the NRA, but the program is stunningly effective, and presented in a politically neutral manner. It does not support firearm use, it just gives the kids an intelligent and safe reaction to finding a firearm. It sure beats the hell out of Junior being at a friend's house, finding dad's gun beneath the bed, and playing with it like a toy until somebody gets shot.

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But I will say that it is FUCK ALL STUPID to allow drunk or high people to be even remotely able to access firearms. It is incredibly rare that people in either state are inside my home, but when they are, my firearms are very much secured.

 

[ZRT]

Agreed with Homburg on this.

Children are much more capable of understanding hard regulation than people give them credit for.

As a child, there were basically two kinds of rules:

There was the equivalent of 'don't get in the cookie jar' kind of rules, which if broken and registered as broken would result in some kind of punishment, but it was an unconsciously understood kind of thing that these weren't super-duper serious regulations.

Then there was the 'Don't play in traffic, don't play with guns, don't play with snakes' kind of rules, and the entire implication of those rules was that the world would pretty much end of they were broken.

Around these parts, a lot of my generation and all the preceding generations grew up around guns, had them readily available, owned them from young ages, etc. But the issues that I've had in my life involving people handling weapons unsafely invariably came from adults, generally those who didn't start handling them until later in life and came to regard them as super-powerful toys.

 

[Homburg]

Around these parts, a lot of my generation and all the preceding generations grew up around guns, had them readily available, owned them from young ages, etc. But the issues that I've had in my life involving people handling weapons unsafely invariably came from adults, generally those who didn't start handling them until later in life and came to regard them as super-powerful toys.

The past three generations on my dad's side of the family have had three firearms related accidents. Two of those three were drunk/stupid people we were not related to accidentally putting bullets into my family members. My cousin B was high as a kite when he got shot in the throat, and apparently he was still telling the shooter, through much giggling, that it probably wasn't a good idea to mess with a pistol right then. The third incident was due to mechanical failure compounded by ever-so-slightly less-than-perfect gun-handling. That one was a bit of stupid, but would not have been even close to an issue sans the mechanical failure (rim ripped off preventing an extraction)

 

[Etoile]

Home invasion is way off topic, but I want to address it. Personally, I think it's a bullshit reason for gun ownership. Yes, it is your Constitutionally-protected right to have a weapon, for self-defense, etc. But let's face it, when the Constitution was written, we had houses that were too small to have places to hide, no phones, no alarm systems connected to response centers, and no law enforcement just moments away. Yes, some people can't afford alarm systems or live in the boonies where law enforcement takes a while. But many Americans live in the suburbs with no worries about home invasion. Yes, you have a right to protect your home, but I think it's silly. Let the professionals handle it.

Commence flaming...

 

[WriterDom]

Home invasion is way off topic, but I want to address it. Personally, I think it's a bullshit reason for gun ownership. Yes, it is your Constitutionally-protected right to have a weapon, for self-defense, etc. But let's face it, when the Constitution was written, we had houses that were too small to have places to hide, no phones, no alarm systems connected to response centers, and no law enforcement just moments away. Yes, some people can't afford alarm systems or live in the boonies where law enforcement takes a while. But many Americans live in the suburbs with no worries about home invasion. Yes, you have a right to protect your home, but I think it's silly. Let the professionals handle it.

Commence flaming...

There is no home invasion here to speak of. It is really not a question here of do you own a gun or not but how big you arsenal is. My belief is that the more likely you think a neighbor is armed, the less likely you are going to try to break in.

We're in different worlds and I'm not going to argue with you. DC and Chicago are war zones in the inner city. Ten kids might get killed in Chicago in one weekend. 10 people might get killed here in 10 years. And when it does it is usually involves an ex husband or a cheating spouse.

I'm glad my neighbor has a gun for when her cop husband works the night shift. And like she says, she isn't afraid to use it. He has to drive an hour to get to his job too. It's not local.