" Hair Metal" vs Grunge

[DMBFFF]

hard to say.

Hair metal was a weaker form of metal, but it gave us songs like Still of the Night, while grunge was essentially a newer version of punk/noise.

Grunge isn't looking as good these days.

Indeed in this mash, Britney Spears sounds better:

https://www.musicbanter.com/general...me-smells-like-teen-spirit-7.html#post2045689

Britney Spears - Keep Waiting For Teen Spirit (vs. Nirvana) [Mashup]
3:42

here's the proof:

Britney Spears - Don't Keep Me Waiting (Music Video)
3:21

 

[Luk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmAY059TTY Since Kurt Cobain's death, Nirvana has attained a legendary sort of status that they definitely didn't have when KC was alive, and it has also eclipsed how big GnR were at their peak. Guns'n'roses were the bigger band. they had bigger concerts and the hype around Use Your Illusion albums was HUGE. At the time, GnR was treated as a superstar band. I was a teen in 1992 (the year both UYI1&2 and Nevermind had been out for a while) and in my class G'N R (as well as Def Leppard) was massive with a bunch of hits while Nirvana was a cool side-thing with one big hit that most people liked but not obsessed over. That's how I remember the moment of the releases. A couple of years later G N' R was no longer cool and Nirvana was the ultimate cool. During the time period, 1991-1994, Guns N' Roses sold more records and sold more tickets than Nirvana. And that's even with GnR being dormant from 1994 on. GnR headlined stadiums on their own, Nirvana played stadiums at a few festivals with 25 other bands. GnR played 4 sold out nights at the Forum in 1991, Nirvana was playing clubs at the time. Even at Nirvana's height I don't think they sold half as many tickets as Guns N' Roses. Nirvana played clubs, 3,000-5,000 seat venues, and some arenas on their last tour. GnR were playing huge arenas and stadiums at the same time, with many multiple dates in big cities. And I'm just using GnR as an example, there were other bands at the time that were just as big. GNR were bigger back then, no doubt. GNR sold more records and I think had a more worldwide appeal than Nirvana. Going on that alone Guns N' Roses was the bigger band and much more larger than life than Nirvana. Anyway, the "Illusion" period was positively huge for Guns N Roses - much, much bigger than even the Appetite era.

GnR were playing stadiums while Nirvana played arenas and large theatres. They fronted every magazine , every time you put MTV on it was G n R. Guns' songs, musicianship, diversity and raw talent were superior to Nirvana, plus they appealed to a wider audience. They were rooted in Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith, so many older generation classic rocks fans also loved them, not just the kids. Back in 1992, GNR was the biggest band in the world, period. Nirvana was just the quintesential hipster band and after Kurt comitted suicide they obtained immortal status. After '94 GNR stopped being relevant, while Nirvana was still talked about a lot. But GNR sold more records and tickets and were more "mainstream" .

You and I could have a crazy good conversation. I was at the Forum for GnR in '91 and later for Nirvana. I'm glad Nirvana killed hair metal and GnR at that time.. I have a deep love for Nirvana and was an aspiring musician and in a somewhat decent band when they were huge. I was into the Seattle scene earlier than a lot of people because someone turned me on to Green River and Mudhoney.

 

[Que]

I think the big hair and spandex led to Slash being underappreciated as a guitarist. Everyone knows he is a great, but I think the masses have no idea how good.

I've never been able to stand Pearl Jam on any level at all.

Cobain did a lot with average talent, musically. His phrasing was his strength. I watched one of those documentaries about studio time with Nirvana and it looks to me like there was an awful lot of really good sound engineer as (conductor?) involved with their progress. I see that as them, especially Cobain being coachable.

I never really noticed Grohl's importance until Foo. I was pretty shallow at that time in my understanding about drummers in general. I understood some what about bass player setting the bottom but I didn't really get how important the drummer is to reinforcing that. I grew up in Zeppelin's height and I just felt that those drums were "normal" and really thought of a drummer as just filling the room with the agreed upon beat. Hard to explain really how shallow Mander standing of that was. Partially driven by my experience watching a couple bands forming and they had weak drummers. Eventually they got a competent drummer but he was more of what I would describe as a mimic. Mostly they were doing cover band work and he could cover really well, so I just thought of it as not fucking it up, rather than supporting the whole structure.

Different documentaries that intersect with Bonham and Grohl's stated reverence for Bonham made it finally click.

My feeling on grunge in particular and Nirvana specifically was that here is a whole bunch of highly paid musicians that are expressing some sort of angst out of all proportion of their life. I didn't get it then but I totally get it now.

My parents are only a couple of years apart and they straddled Elvis Presley. My mom had some of a Presley's earliest records, dad hated Presley. He donated mom's records at a charity auction without consulting her. I grew up listening to Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass and Andy Williams and Bing Crosby. My formative years wouldn't have been so bad if they'd at least thrown some Frank Sinatra in the mix. Love some Frank, but I kind of found him backwards through a Harry Connick jr.

My ex-wife was a Nirvana fan and a Foo-fanatic. I credit her entirely for dragging me into the nineties at least. I'm glad I did not stick with "my" music. I liked Genesis Peter Gabriel, the Clash, Thanthems. Billy Joel, Eric Clapton, Foghat, and even Steve Winwood better than Glam bands but I never tuned out the anthems.

Between the kids and my midlife crisis socializing, I listen to everything but don't know half of who is who. I was making progress on that when work put Sirrius in all the heavy equipment to keep us awake on 12 hour shifts. My truck cost a lot more than my included life insurance, and banging them up is expensive. Seeing who is playing rather than the slurred DJ announcing it is better for he. I absorb visually. The built-in Toyota sound system in my car was way ahead of its time and will do that if the current stations are actually broadcasting that information but all too many of them broadcast nothing or just the name of the DJ.

I like music, I just know a lot less than I would like to.

 

[Que]

Thanthems??

Fuck it, I'm leaving it. That should be a band.

 

[Luk]

I think the big hair and spandex led to Slash being underappreciated as a guitarist. Everyone knows he is a great, but I think the masses have no idea how good.

I've never been able to stand Pearl Jam on any level at all.

Cobain did a lot with average talent, musically. His phrasing was his strength. I watched one of those documentaries about studio time with Nirvana and it looks to me like there was an awful lot of really good sound engineer as (conductor?) involved with their progress. I see that as them, especially Cobain being coachable.

I never really noticed Grohl's importance until Foo. I was pretty shallow at that time in my understanding about drummers in general. I understood some what about bass player setting the bottom but I didn't really get how important the drummer is to reinforcing that. I grew up in Zeppelin's height and I just felt that those drums were "normal" and really thought of a drummer as just filling the room with the agreed upon beat. Hard to explain really how shallow Mander standing of that was. Partially driven by my experience watching a couple bands forming and they had weak drummers. Eventually they got a competent drummer but he was more of what I would describe as a mimic. Mostly they were doing cover band work and he could cover really well, so I just thought of it as not fucking it up, rather than supporting the whole structure.

Different documentaries that intersect with Bonham and Grohl's stated reverence for Bonham made it finally click.

My feeling on grunge in particular and Nirvana specifically was that here is a whole bunch of highly paid musicians that are expressing some sort of angst out of all proportion of their life. I didn't get it then but I totally get it now.

My parents are only a couple of years apart and they straddled Elvis Presley. My mom had some of a Presley's earliest records, dad hated Presley. He donated mom's records at a charity auction without consulting her. I grew up listening to Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass and Andy Williams and Bing Crosby. My formative years wouldn't have been so bad if they'd at least thrown some Frank Sinatra in the mix. Love some Frank, but I kind of found him backwards through a Harry Connick jr.

My ex-wife was a Nirvana fan and a Foo-fanatic. I credit her entirely for dragging me into the nineties at least. I'm glad I did not stick with "my" music. I liked Genesis Peter Gabriel, the Clash, Thanthems. Billy Joel, Eric Clapton, Foghat, and even Steve Winwood better than Glam bands but I never tuned out the anthems.

Between the kids and my midlife crisis socializing, I listen to everything but don't know half of who is who. I was making progress on that when work put Sirrius in all the heavy equipment to keep us awake on 12 hour shifts. My truck cost a lot more than my included life insurance, and banging them up is expensive. Seeing who is playing rather than the slurred DJ announcing it is better for he. I absorb visually. The built-in Toyota sound system in my car was way ahead of its time and will do that if the current stations are actually broadcasting that information but all too many of them broadcast nothing or just the name of the DJ.

I like music, I just know a lot less than I would like to.

Not a big Pearl Jam fan. The other bands from that era were much better. From that region. I love Nirvana and most of the grunge bands. Ruining Hair metal was necessary.

 

[jaF0]

Why choose? Go for Grungy Hair:

Coheed & Cambria.

 

[jaF0]

In reality back in 1992 there ...

Have ya' noticed that everybody else's posts in this thread are something less than 10,000 words?

 

[Que]

Not a big Pearl Jam fan. The other bands from that era were much better. From that region. I love Nirvana and most of the grunge bands. Ruining Hair metal was necessary.

Agreed it had become a cartoon of itself.

I always kind of thought that maybe my dislike a Pearl Jam was Eddie Vedder specific but I can't really stand Bono but I love U2s music.

Where do you stand on Van Hagar?

When Van Halen was really Van Halen I was not a David Lee Roth fan and he just seemed self-aggrandizing in my perception of him was that he was sort of loud and I didn't really think of him as musically talented.

Sammy Hagar I already liked all right and I thought that would be a good combination but I don't know it just didn't work for me. Van Hagar sounded to me like a Van Halen cover band that wasn't very good. Could have been Eddie's personal and drug problems and the addition of keyboards I don't know.

I was watching David Lee Roth interviewed by Rogan, and he was both more of a self-aggrandizing cartoon of himself than I thought but also I had way more depth and musical training and experience than I had any idea about. His personal life sounded pretty interesting going kayaking while he was at the height of Fame down the Hudson River? WTF? Kind of awesome.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Hair bands weren't bad, but they were susceptible to over indulgent ballads and guitar solos. Grunge itself was a marketing word for independent music and the marketing and money making off of those Seattle bands. Music in 1990 wasn't diverse. By 1992, it was incredibly diverse.

Maybe on the FM radio station where the playlist is designed to have no song that will make you change the dial, but music was incredibly diverse during that time. It was the commercial choices that were not.

 

[Marla1977]

hard to say.

Hair metal was a weaker form of metal, but it gave us songs like Still of the Night, while grunge was essentially a newer version of punk/noise.

Grunge isn't looking as good these days.

Indeed in this mash, Britney Spears sounds better:

https://www.musicbanter.com/general...me-smells-like-teen-spirit-7.html#post2045689

Britney Spears - Keep Waiting For Teen Spirit (vs. Nirvana) [Mashup]
3:42

here's the proof:

Britney Spears - Don't Keep Me Waiting (Music Video)
3:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BxbATErEs THIS SONG REALLY ROCKS!!! I remember when this song hit MTV in 1992, these guys were so awesome now no one from my generation even remembers Hardline. This song was the last great single of the hair band era, struggling to breathe under the weight of the depressing and un-melodic thuds of grunge. The record companies pushed grunge on us.

 

[Not Normal]

Does the OP even not write a book for a post?

 

[Marla1977]

hard to say.

Hair metal was a weaker form of metal, but it gave us songs like Still of the Night, while grunge was essentially a newer version of punk/noise.

Grunge isn't looking as good these days.

Indeed in this mash, Britney Spears sounds better:

https://www.musicbanter.com/general...me-smells-like-teen-spirit-7.html#post2045689

Britney Spears - Keep Waiting For Teen Spirit (vs. Nirvana) [Mashup]
3:42

here's the proof:

Britney Spears - Don't Keep Me Waiting (Music Video)
3:21

I remember being instantly hooked on to the song when I first heard it. How these guys did not rise to the top I will never know. Incredible musicians, with great songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=A2vG-zlvvk0

 

[jaF0]

THIS SONG REALLY ROCKS!!!

What song?

I remember being instantly hooked on to the song

What song?

 

[Marla1977]

What song?

What song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2vG-zlvvk0

 

[Marla1977]

What song?

What song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BxbATErEs

 

[jaF0]

^^^ All I see are links, no band names or song titles.

The Zoo - Scorpions.


See, ain't that simple?

 

[Marla1977]

^^^ All I see are links, no band names or song titles.

The Zoo - Scorpions.


See, ain't that simple?

What an awesome song. Have you heard the It's five o clock somewhere album? Slash's Snakepit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddCGr7mD54

 

[Marla1977]

^^^ All I see are links, no band names or song titles.

The Zoo - Scorpions.


See, ain't that simple?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAX20LoVgxE Warrant's best power ballad, imo.

 

[girlsmiley]

This was an interesting read. Thanks to the OP.

MUSIC EVOLVES.

Get on board.

There's no such thing as one genre is better than the other. There's beautiful music to be found in all genres, not just heavy metal and grunge.

Move with the times. Yes, we have our go-to stuff.

Personally, I loved The Smashing Pumpkins. But I listen to that shit in private. Because I like the melodies and the rawness of it. Ava Adore. Many, many of their songs inspired me. I know it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's mine.

I listen to Stevie Wonder because he is absolutely genius.

Do I listen to JBJ? I live in Australia. We love JBJ. Hair bands? Of course. Pour some fucking sugar on it.

But I don't dislike one genre because another comes out. That's just silly talk.

 

[Marla1977]

^^^ All I see are links, no band names or song titles.

The Zoo - Scorpions.


See, ain't that simple?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc I love GnR so much!

 

[Marla1977]

Agreed it had become a cartoon of itself.

I always kind of thought that maybe my dislike a Pearl Jam was Eddie Vedder specific but I can't really stand Bono but I love U2s music.

Where do you stand on Van Hagar?

When Van Halen was really Van Halen I was not a David Lee Roth fan and he just seemed self-aggrandizing in my perception of him was that he was sort of loud and I didn't really think of him as musically talented.

Sammy Hagar I already liked all right and I thought that would be a good combination but I don't know it just didn't work for me. Van Hagar sounded to me like a Van Halen cover band that wasn't very good. Could have been Eddie's personal and drug problems and the addition of keyboards I don't know.

I was watching David Lee Roth interviewed by Rogan, and he was both more of a self-aggrandizing cartoon of himself than I thought but also I had way more depth and musical training and experience than I had any idea about. His personal life sounded pretty interesting going kayaking while he was at the height of Fame down the Hudson River? WTF? Kind of awesome.

Check out these documentaries. I agree with Lita Ford..there is NO real kick ass music scene anymore !! WTF ??
It's all kiddie POP. At that time the "M" in MTV actually meant something, I loved MTV back then. Now it's just a politically-driven machine. A way to poison teenager's minds against Conservatism. "Hey, we're MTV!! Be cool and join us as a liberal, or be a POS, and have no friends!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUrHVWa3s2Y&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTpba2FDrSs

 

[UgliestSon]

Rocknroll aint dead. You are.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Have the folks down under yet to properly apologize for Midnight Oil and INXS?

 

[UgliestSon]

Hair metal or grunge blah blah blah. They are both fucking great and both fucking rocknroll. What happened? MTV stopped spoon feeding folks music and now they dont want to go search for it because they are fat lazy fucks. Or maybe they just died. Go watch Fox news or Vanderplump Rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_iHc_z-G8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exm5hFRo1P0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F5xdpeE1Kw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpV08wI-bw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2oJ4vOftR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1cRSpSk5D4

 

[girlsmiley]

Have the folks down under yet to properly apologize for Midnight Oil and INXS?

And yet here you are

Not even worth an apology. Sad!