I never get laid. Feeling undesirable or something.

[welkin]

You know what... even if that wasn't a joke, you have the freedom to believe whatever you want to believe. I wouldn't agree with it but in the end, the only person I'd be pittying is you (this is all hypothetical, of course, since you were clear that these are not REALLY what you believe). I would respect your choice to believe it even though I would not myself share it.

If you weren't allowed to share your views and opinions with others, we wouldn't be in much of a free country, now would we?

You clearly don't get it do you? Yes you can believe whatever you want to believe, but if you are voicing your opinion in public, just putting "I think" in front of every sentence isn't going to unoffend the offended ones, nor will it dissuade others from thinking that you are unapologetic, judgmental, hypocritical, and self-righteous. Of course, if you choose to be perceived so, that is your freedom too. Just don't act hurt and whine "But but but I said 'I think'!" There is no immunity in "I think".

 

[Mac98]

You clearly don't get it do you? Yes you can believe whatever you want to believe, but if you are voicing your opinion in public, just putting "I think" in front of every sentence isn't going to unoffend the offended ones, nor will it dissuade others from thinking that you are unapologetic, judgmental, hypocritical, and self-righteous. Of course, if you choose to be perceived so, that is your freedom too. Just don't act hurt and whine "But but but I said 'I think'!" There is no immunity in "I think".

Well there's not much I can do about whether or not people will take offense to what I say, can I? It hardly seems like a reason to shut my mouth. Heck where would South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Eminem, Bill Hicks or George Carlin all be if they constantly thought about who would be offended by what they say??

Listen, if you take so much offense to what I say, that's on you. I've said again and again that I have nothing against you personally and that this is solely my opinion. If you can't respect my way of thinking then that's really too bad. I still stand by what I say and I HAVE apologized for any hurt feelings. So don't call me unapologetic.

I WON'T apologize for expressing my own opinion, though, since I am entitled to it.

Oh, and I'm not hurt by any of this. This hardly phases me. I'm surprised that we're still on this subject and that no one's willing to just let it go, but I'm not mad or angry at anyone. And I don't see why I should be.

Anyways. This has gone on long enough, I think we can just forget about it and just agree to disagree.

 

[welkin]

Well there's not much I can do about whether or not people will take offense to what I say, can I? It hardly seems like a reason to shut my mouth. Heck where would South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Eminem, Bill Hicks or George Carlin all be if they constantly thought about who would be offended by what they say??

Listen, if you take so much offense to what I say, that's on you. I've said again and again that I have nothing against you personally and that this is solely my opinion. If you can't respect my way of thinking then that's really too bad. I still stand by what I say and I HAVE apologized for any hurt feelings. So don't call me unapologetic.

Gee, that's a great way of taking responsibility of your words and being apologetic after insulting people for being superficial and wrong in their way of dating. I am not arguing with you, I do not expect a response, I am merely highlighting these words for my own amusement.

 

[Mac98]

Gee, that's a great way of taking responsibility of your words and being apologetic after insulting people for being superficial and wrong in their way of dating. I am not arguing with you, I do not expect a response, I am merely highlighting these words for my own amusement.

EDIT: double post

 

[Mac98]

Gee, that's a great way of taking responsibility of your words and being apologetic after insulting people for being superficial and wrong in their way of dating. I am not arguing with you, I do not expect a response, I am merely highlighting these words for my own amusement.

Yes, I'm a dick for speaking my mind. Thank God you don't run the country... otherwise I'd NEVER be able to express my opinions!

 

[toshiskitten]

Wow this thread went completely off topic.

 

[Mac98]

Wow this thread went completely off topic.

Yes, but only because we care for each other so much!

 

[toshiskitten]

Yes, but only because we care for each other so much!

Lol I can see that.

 

[bailadora]

If you can't respect my way of thinking then that's really too bad.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but I've got one last thing to say: respect has to be earned. The way you have expressed yourself in this thread has not helped you in that endeavor.

 

[welkin]

Yes, I'm a dick for speaking my mind. Thank God you don't run the country... otherwise I'd NEVER be able to express my opinions!

Right, just because I disapprove your words that I find offensive, that automatically makes me a dictator type of person. In the same way that if you were to run the country, we'd all be dating people we don't like (perhaps pass a law that says "You must go on at least N dates before rejecting a person"?).

I'm sure that's how argument works, just make up implausible situations and accuse the other person of doing whatever crime you want! Since it's never going to happen, they cannot prove you wrong! Win!

 

[jdsgirl]

You need to rebrand, man! "Dethklok666" sounds like the name of a killer Satanic alarm klock. If you were the average female, would you be attracted to such a device? Of course not.

Ditto! You need to sound nice and attractive right away. Have you tried Meetup.com to find people who share common interests? There are groups out there for everything.

 

[satindesire]

This thread needs a giant Midol and a double-chocolate espresso brownie.

 

[Mac98]

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but I've got one last thing to say: respect has to be earned. The way you have expressed yourself in this thread has not helped you in that endeavor.

At this point, what you and Welkin think of me is of little to no importance. I have the respect of other's on here who know me a little better and that's really all that matters to me. As far as I know, I've never been an asshole with either of you, but I guess that's relative.

Right, just because I disapprove your words that I find offensive, that automatically makes me a dictator type of person. In the same way that if you were to run the country, we'd all be dating people we don't like (perhaps pass a law that says "You must go on at least N dates before rejecting a person"?).

I'm sure that's how argument works, just make up implausible situations and accuse the other person of doing whatever crime you want! Since it's never going to happen, they cannot prove you wrong! Win!

Yes. You win. Congradulations.

This thread needs a giant Midol and a double-chocolate espresso brownie.

Haha this thread needs special brownies and some vicodin.

 

[bailadora]

At this point, what you and Welkin think of me is of little to no importance. I have the respect of other's on here who know me a little better and that's really all that matters to me. As far as I know, I've never been an asshole with either of you, but I guess that's relative.

*sighs*

You tell people that you think their way of thinking is wrong (mind you, this is *just* your personal opinion and it's nothing personal) and then you the temerity to throw the respect card as it pertains to your views?

I'm honestly not trying to pick fights with you - just trying to make sense of your logic.

 

[Mac98]

*sighs*

You tell people that you think their way of thinking is wrong (mind you, this is *just* your personal opinion and it's nothing personal) and then you the temerity to throw the respect card as it pertains to your views?

I'm honestly not trying to pick fights with you - just trying to make sense of your logic.

This is why I feel we should just agree to disagree. We obviously don't see eye to eye.

You keep calling me arrogant, audacious and all that stuff only because I have a particular view that differs from yours and Welkin's. Like I said, I don't have anything against anyone here and have never launched an attack toward you nor her. Yet again and again you guys throw words at me to sully my image and then make allusion to the fact that my credibility and respect here is rapidly decreasing. So I'm just letting you know... I don't care what you two think of me. The people here who know me best like me and that's all that matters. I'm not here to pick a fight, but I fully acknowledge that I can't be friends with everyone.

 

[satindesire]

Haha this thread needs special brownies and some vicodin.

Whatever keeps you from being so cranky when you're PMSing, Mac, more power to you.

 

[bailadora]

This is why I feel we should just agree to disagree. We obviously don't see eye to eye.

You keep calling me arrogant, audacious and all that stuff only because I have a particular view that differs from yours and Welkin's. Like I said, I don't have anything against anyone here and have never launched an attack toward you nor her. Yet again and again you guys throw words at me to sully my image and then make allusion to the fact that my credibility and respect here is rapidly decreasing. So I'm just letting you know... I don't care what you two think of me. The people here who know me best like me and that's all that matters. I'm not here to pick a fight, but I fully acknowledge that I can't be friends with everyone.

For the record, I hold no rancor towards you. Actually, my whole point in continuing to debate with you was not to convert you to my way of thinking on this particular issue. Rather, I was trying to get you to see how you shot yourself in the foot with the flaws in your logic and your communication style.

As I mentioned before, when you get going on something that you're passionate about, you have a tendency to exhibit the very behavior you are denouncing which does damage the credibility of your position. Now, I'm not so arrogant to think my perception/opinion of you means a hill of beans in your estimation. But for those whose opinions you do value - it might be something you want to consider.

For all your harping on the importance of communication, you seem to have missed one key factor. There are two components to a message: the intention and the perception. And I've got to tell you, when you get going like this, the message you intend to convey is not the message that is perceived.

That is all. Bowing out now - and I really mean it this time.

 

[Island_Barbarian]

I don't get it really. I am not ugly. I wouldn't call myself a catch or anything, but I'm just incredibly unlucky or something. I've never had a girlfriend and I'm 25. I'm starting to feel unwanted. I don't know how to meet people, and I'm losing things to talk about.

I guess I'm rambling. Just looking for advice, or to share similar experiences.

Well, I do try to go out, but obviously money is an issue with just about everyone these days. I usually go to a bar my friends go to on Thursdays for karaoke. I met a girl I really clicked with (or at least I thought) and she gave me her number. We exchanged a few texts, and then it just sort of stopped. I feel like I've been ignored completely. Or maybe she lost her phone - I don't know. But it's been like a month since we last had any contact. Perhaps I'm just lingering and should move on.

Just about every girl I'm interested in ends up either having a boyfriend, or is just not interested. When I hear my friends talking about all the girls they end up with - I'm wondering what makes me so bad. I see more character flaws in them than I do myself - and I like to think I'm pretty honest about my defects.

Thanks for the replies though! Maybe I'll try that meetup thing.

Hey man, I can relate. I was literally in the exact same situtation as you at 25, which is actually the age that it changed for me.

I can tell you what changed it for me. I sort of became a little bit tougher/colder/thick-skinned, whatever you call it. I then started talking with girls with a more devil may care attitude, flirty with them, being myself, and not caring if I got anywhere, and you can't fake it, you really have to not care. Don't have expectations, but have no fear, so you don't miss opportunities. If you are talking with her and suddenly thing you would like to kiss her, than go for it. Of course, the situation has to be a bit right, on a date, at a party, late at night, etc.

Guess what, it won't always work, but you no longer care "too much". Don't cry over it and move on.

Be a confident man that can not be broken or bent.

take care

 

[klippert]

take a look at yourself... re-evaluate man. for sakes alive... your Nic. -deathklok666. I can only guess the music you listen too and how you dress...That is a total speculation on my part. You might be a nice suburban guy..... But, Deathklok.....jeeze

 

[satindesire]

take a look at yourself... re-evaluate man. for sakes alive... your Nic. -deathklok666. I can only guess the music you listen too and how you dress...That is a total speculation on my part. You might be a nice suburban guy..... But, Deathklok.....jeeze

Everyone's making a fuss about his name. You guys shouldn't...Deathklok is a pretend "death metal" band from a hilarious TV show called "Metalocalypse".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalocalypse

I personally applaud his choice of screen name seeing as how I love that show.

 

[Mac98]

Whatever keeps you from being so cranky when you're PMSing, Mac, more power to you.

No, the only thing that can keep me from being cranky when I'm PMSing is a shit load of ecstacy and a blowjob by Mila Kunis.

Otherwise I'm totally into the female hormonal fuckage... I mean, how often does a guy get to have PMS, right?

 

[satindesire]

No, the only thing that can keep me from being cranky when I'm PMSing is a shit load of ecstacy and a blowjob by Mila Kunis.

Otherwise I'm totally into the female hormonal fuckage... I mean, how often does a guy get to have PMS, right?

According to some scientists, once a month, much like women. *shrug*

 

[Mac98]

According to some scientists, once a month, much like women. *shrug*

Man... not enough people are eating these brownies...

 

[welkin]

Hey man, I can relate. I was literally in the exact same situtation as you at 25, which is actually the age that it changed for me.

I can tell you what changed it for me. I sort of became a little bit tougher/colder/thick-skinned, whatever you call it. I then started talking with girls with a more devil may care attitude, flirty with them, being myself, and not caring if I got anywhere, and you can't fake it, you really have to not care. Don't have expectations, but have no fear, so you don't miss opportunities. If you are talking with her and suddenly thing you would like to kiss her, than go for it. Of course, the situation has to be a bit right, on a date, at a party, late at night, etc.

Guess what, it won't always work, but you no longer care "too much". Don't cry over it and move on.

Be a confident man that can not be broken or bent.

take care

Indeed. It's a psychology game, there are certain strategies...

Though.. I'm rather torn on this one. On one hand there are tips teaching men how to play the game, and I feel like maybe that's what some guys need -- to get out of the shell that social norms have stuffed them into, to learn what rules of the "nice guy" are okay to break. On the other hand, as a woman, I do not like how these tips are usually handed down in a way that is degrading for women. "The women are your preys, they are targets to be lured and trapped." Not to mention some tips can be learned and used to misrepresent oneself...

Barbarian's tip is effective. Act cool, "not care", but not because it's an act to get women, but because you are confident in yourself, you know you have value, you know you're worthwhile getting to know, and you know that it's the woman''s loss if she misses out. I'm pretty sure any dishonesty and affectation will come back to bite you in the end.

 

[Mac98]

Indeed. It's a psychology game, there are certain strategies...

Though.. I'm rather torn on this one. On one hand there are tips teaching men how to play the game, and I feel like maybe that's what some guys need -- to get out of the shell that social norms have stuffed them into, to learn what rules of the "nice guy" are okay to break. On the other hand, as a woman, I do not like how these tips are usually handed down in a way that is degrading for women. "The women are your preys, they are targets to be lured and trapped." Not to mention some tips can be learned and used to misrepresent oneself...

Barbarian's tip is effective. Act cool, "not care", but not because it's an act to get women, but because you are confident in yourself, you know you have value, you know you're worthwhile getting to know, and you know that it's the woman''s loss if she misses out. I'm pretty sure any dishonesty and affectation will come back to bite you in the end.

I would tend to say that this is where "confidence" and "over-confidence" become two seperate things. Some guys will abuse this "tip" or "advice" and use it as a way to manipulate over and over again to constantly get the girl they want. That being said, the downfall to this is that most of them will probably never fall in love or understand what being in love is because they're too busy going left and right abusing of this "strategy" (sorry, I just don't know what to call it).

Seduction is a game and you're either good at it or you're not. And being good at it has everything to do with your own self-confidence. Like any form of manipulation, you can either use it for benevolent or malevolent purposes.

Not all guys are assholes and not all guys charm their way into a different girl every night... though many do. And it's their loss, really.