In the world of sexual fetishes, crossing the political aisle is a kink

[MiaBabe23]

Only about 20% of the country wants a fascist dictatorship. The nation isn’t split 50/50. Most Americans reject their loathsome views.

It’s a much more minute percentage than that. Possible that that proportion might support some element of views linked to fascism - weakening of institutions, discrimination etc - but it’s a tiny proportion who actually believe in a fascist dictatorship
Many support Trump without having thought through the full implications of what he says and does, or of Project 2025 etc
I think if angry Trump supporters had the chance to break bread individually/ small groups with (what shall I call us to be balanced - smug?) Democrats, a lot could be healed

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

 

[MiaBabe23]

Well, Stalin did save his nation and the rest of the world from Hitler, and for all practical purposes he did it single-handedly. The Nazi Armies had been driven completely out of the Soviet Union by the time the first Yank or Brit boot set foot in Western Europe. Pretty much everything in WWII that didn't happen on the Eastern Europe was a sideshow.

So… I was talking about his domestic outrages that I presume you’re not gonna defend

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

So… I was talking about his domestic outrages that I presume you’re not gonna defend

Assuming that what really happened was even slightly close to the accounts given to us by Cold War-era Western propaganda or by Khrushchev and his wreckers?

Well, then what happened was regrettable. More regrettable than Churchill's outrages against India, de Gaul's against Algeria or Truman's against Hiroshima? That is very doubtful.

 

[MiaBabe23]

Are you really gonna let your commitment to your philosophy stop you accepting evil has been carried out by those who pretend to carry it out?

And attempting what-aboutism on whose annihilation was worse?
That just sick-making
You’re better than that - I assume…?

(And as an aside - ask yourself why you acknowledge those events without question, but not Stalin’s gulags etc? Because of the political system involved? That’s delusional…)

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You're a fucking Zionist. At this point, your camp has probably out-Lidiced Himmler's boys a dozen times over.

I am a Zionist. Most Jews are. We want Israel to continue to exist.

Anti-Zionism is colonizer anti-semitism.

 

[keepingsweet]

Kill! There is nothing that is innocent that is German. Neither in the living nor in the unborn. Follow the directive of Comrade Stalin and trample forever the fascist beast in his cave. Break by force the racial haughtiness of German women. Take them as your lawful prey! Kill, you brave advancing Red soldiers!



Fascists may not be fuckable, but they are rapeable.

The glorious soldiers of the Red Army raped fascists whenever they could get away with it.

Reported, you sadistic fuck

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

It’s a much more minute percentage than that. Possible that that proportion might support some element of views linked to fascism - weakening of institutions, discrimination etc - but it’s a tiny proportion who actually believe in a fascist dictatorship
Many support Trump without having thought through the full implications of what he says and does, or of Project 2025 etc
I think if angry Trump supporters had the chance to break bread individually/ small groups with (what shall I call us to be balanced - smug?) Democrats, a lot could be healed

See, this is a logical stance to take. I can understand a lib who holds this position regardless of whether or not I agree with it, even if I might think it's a bit naive. I value internal logic. It's one reason why I generally have more respect for my enemies on the Right than I do the ones on the so-called Left, because the former do tend to have an internal logic to their ideologies, no matter how detestable they may be otherwise.

(Free advice: don't stick around in the PolitBuro. Here is the land of the doomed and the damned, and every single one of us has worms in our brains.)

But, if the Right really was as fascistic and totalitarian as we make it out to be, there would be no talk of peaceful coexistence with it. We wouldn't be condemning a man like Thomas Matthew Crook for trying to kill an aspiring fascist dictator (even if he was very likely a Marinus van der Lubbe-style patsy). We would be naming streets after him, like Scotland did for would-be Franco assassin Stuart Christie. If we really thought that they were as bad as we make them out to be, we wouldn't be so obsessed with "fighting them at the polls," we'd be fighting them in the streets. By which I mean, with bombs, under their cars.

Or, if we really did think that militant revolutionary resistance would be nothing more than a glorified act of suicide in a country as slavish and conformist as America (which, lol, it would be), we'd be putting some thought into getting out of the country before we all end up in the gas chamber.

And yet, with almost almost-singular exceptions, almost none of us are like that. Why? Is it because we're actually all completely full of shit and we know perfectly well that, as bad as the Republican agenda might be, even the most radical elements seldom come close to fascism? Or, more worryingly, is it because we do think that the Republican agenda is fascist, and we're actually quite okay with that so long as they leave us alone?

(DNC Party Line: "Sure, Israel is a genocidal apartheid state, but at least they're nice to gays and women!")

Could it be... that liberalism is the handmaiden of fascism?

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Reported, you sadistic fuck

That's part of a pamphlet by Ilya Ehrenburg, one of the most popular Soviet writers during the Great Patriotic War.

If you disagree with such a figure on the proper treatment of Nazis, tovarishch, then that makes me wonder what other sympathies you might have with the enemy.

Do I need to report this conversation to the commissar?

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Are you really gonna let your commitment to your philosophy stop you accepting evil has been carried out by those who pretend to carry it out?

And attempting what-aboutism on whose annihilation was worse?
That just sick-making
You’re better than that - I assume…?

(And as an aside - ask yourself why you acknowledge those events without question, but not Stalin’s gulags etc? Because of the political system involved? That’s delusional…)

I can't deny that mistakes may have been made, but on the whole I think that Stalin only did what he had to do to defend his country and international socialism from the forces of fascist invasion and capitalist wreckers.

Or, at least I think that I think that. My own sister (one of the two or three that I actually get along with) doesn't think that I really have any beliefs, as such. Huh...