Incest

[sr71plt]

Since you're having a hard time thinking of good writers that bother to submit "those kinds of stories", I thought I'd help you out. Go to http://www.literotica.com:81/stories/favoritesportal.php

There you'll find a list of Literotica's 250 most favorited authors. 18 of the first 20 that I got through have submitted stories in the Incest category. I'm guessing easily over 75% of them have submitted at least 1 incest story.

Now, look over to your right on the same page and you'll see the 100 Favorited Stories list. 16 of the first 20 are Incest stories. (Doing a quick read through the list, my estimation is that 50% are about incest.)

Now go to the Most Read Stories on Lit list: http://www.literotica.com/stories/category_toplist.php?type=story&reads=1

16 of the top 20 most read stories are guess what? Yup, incest stories.

There's a HUGE audience for the genre. If you log onto the lit chat, at any given time at least 50% of the people there are in the Family area.

Believe what you want, but this site is for horny people who like to get off reading whatever happens to turn them on the most at the moment. For a lot of people that happens to be incest. Sorry, but when I think of a Lit reader, I imagine someone with one hand down their pants and the other on the keyboard. I don't imagine them sitting around in smoking jackets sipping wine discussing how absolutely brilliant or awful a particular author or story is. If people actually cared more about the writing then their own satisfaction, authors wouldn't be begging for feedback all the time, it would be pouring in. In reality, readers are just so anxious to get off they jump from story to story and very few post feedback.

Starrkers was right on in saying "define good." It's all subjective. So post the stories and/or authors you think are good or STFU. You personally not liking the category is completely irrelevant to the OP.

Apples and oranges here. You are talking popular and Jenny is talking hihg-quality writers.

I (and others) have already said the two can and do overlap here (and given concrete examples)--and Jenny has ducked that by brushing aside the absolutest remark she made up the line ("I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a single good, seasoned writer on Lit who bothers to write those kinds of stories.")--so no need to convince others (than the statement-ducking Jenny) that the two can happen together.

But your argument is really irrelevant to what Jenny was saying--so it's sort of a waste of time/space and isn't going to lead to resolution of anything.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

I don't imagine them sitting around in smoking jackets sipping wine discussing how absolutely brilliant or awful a particular author or story is.

If I had a smoking jacket that's exactly how I would spend my time.

 

[lustn4sis]

Apples and oranges here. You are talking popular and Jenny is talking hihg-quality writers.

I (and others) have already said the two can and do overlap here (and given concrete examples)--and Jenny has ducked that by brushing aside the absolutest remark she made up the line ("I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a single good, seasoned writer on Lit who bothers to write those kinds of stories.")--so no need to convince others (than the statement-ducking Jenny) that the two can happen together.

But your argument is really irrelevant to what Jenny was saying--so it's sort of a waste of time/space and isn't going to lead to resolution of anything.

The OP didn't ask for HQ, he asked for "good." My point was that in the end, only the reader him/herself can define what good is and that it's easy to find examples of authors and stories in the incest category that a large population come to this site to read. I also pointed out a couple links where excellent (incest) stories and authors can be found, which was in fact the whole request of the OP. So, it was anything but a waste of time/space.

 

[sr71plt]

The OP didn't ask for HQ, he asked for "good." My point was that in the end, only the reader him/herself can define what good is and that it's easy to find examples of authors and stories in the incest category that a large population come to this site to read. I also pointed out a couple links where excellent (incest) stories and authors can be found, which was in fact the whole request of the OP. So, it was anything but a waste of time/space.

So? You were making an argument to Jenny on what Jenny posted that was irrelevant to what Jenny said. You expect that to get anywhere?

This is SO like the typical Internet argument.

 

[sr71plt]

If I had a smoking jacket that's exactly how I would spend my time.

Well, with a bottle of wine at least.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

Well, with a bottle of wine at least.

Heh . . .

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Well, with a bottle of wine at least.

Nah, if you have a smoking jacket, then you need a snifter with brandy in it...

Hmm, if you don't smoke, does it become a no-smoking jacket?

 

[Darkniciad]

Nah, if you have a smoking jacket, then you need a snifter with brandy in it...

Hmm, if you don't smoke, does it become a no-smoking jacket?

Get a bubble pipe, like in the cartoons

To the OP, I have a few as Leslumens, to see what I could accomplish in the category. A couple of them actually have a plot, and the most recent 4 parter is pure smut. Various family bonds, so there's a little bit of range for tastes. Link in signature "As Leslumens"

Up to you to determine if it's good or not

 

[wanderwonder]

In Jenny's defense: In my puppyhood, when I was first browsing through Lit and checking out the "Most Read" and "Most Votes" toplists, sure, most of them at the very top were incest. I read my fair share, thinking that there had to be a good reason why that shit was (and is) so popular. After discovering the search function and what that little E meant, I have to agree with Jenny; I can't think of an incest story that hasn't left a bad, must-brush-teeth-or-else-I'll-vomit taste in my mouth. Those on the toplists aren't there because they're well-written or because everybody loves incest as much as they love Raymond, but because they're written in a manner that makes for a quick and easy jack-off session. If our good OP is the type to leave comments like "OMG THAT WUZ FUKING HOT I CUMMED TWICE JACKING," then sure, have at the category containing the majority of the site's most horridly-composed stories. It is juvenile, of course, but most people, present company possibly excluded, aren't looking for an erotic story that makes them think. It's the same reason why nobody really wants to read War and Peace (that, and it's fucking long). Our OP is likely getting much more than for what he bargained, no?

On a more important note, I think no-smoking jackets should have the word "leisure" attached. And a hookah may be involved.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

I can't think of an incest story that hasn't left a bad, must-brush-teeth-or-else-I'll-vomit taste in my mouth..

Wait, do you dislike incest as a practice to that level or did you manage to find writing so terrible that it affected your digestive system?

If our good OP is the type to leave comments like "OMG THAT WUZ FUKING HOT I CUMMED TWICE JACKING," then sure, have at the category containing the majority of the site's most horridly-composed stories. It is juvenile, of course, but most people, present company possibly excluded, aren't looking for an erotic story that makes them think. It's the same reason why nobody really wants to read War and Peace (that, and it's fucking long). Our OP is likely getting much more than for what he bargained, no?

You got all that about him from "anyone know some good incest stories?"

On a more important note, I think no-smoking jackets should have the word "leisure" attached. And a hookah may be involved.

There actually is such a thing as a leisure jacket already.

 

[sr71plt]

I can't think of an incest story that hasn't left a bad, must-brush-teeth-or-else-I'll-vomit taste in my mouth. .

I'll take a whack at this. I think both you and Jenny are making sweeping generalizations on the basis of not actually reading much in this area at all. It's fine not to be attracted to these stories and not to read many of them (that's me, definitely), but it's quite another thing to extrapolate from there that no good writer will write/has written this type of story--or pull/has pulled it off. That's what Jenny flatly posted (and hasn't recanted), and so that's what you are defending.

Excellent Lit. writer stories who have written excellent Incest stories have been identified on this thread. Do we really need to go down the list and point out all the good writers who have written good stories on incest to get these really stupid generalizations to stop?

On the leisure jacket. I have some nifty (and even swishy) leisure safari suits I had made at a posh tailor shop in Bangkok eons ago--one is powder blue and the other is close to a lime green. Do they qualify? They have sentimental value; I got some very interesting propositions while I was wearing them.

 

[wanderwonder]

Wait, do you dislike incest as a practice to that level or did you manage to find writing so terrible that it affected your digestive system?

Both. I have a delicate constitution. : D

You got all that about him from "anyone know some good incest stories?"

Yes, I'm very intuitive, and am deeply, emotionally invested in this thread. I lay bare my soul for thee.

To Sr, aka The Voice of Jenny: Whack all you want, old man. I shall engage you in fisticuffs I didn't make that statement without doing my research. In aforementioned puppyhood I shopped around to find my preferences, and although there are some incredibly well-written stories in Incest and some other categories for which I don't care, I found that stories in the incest category are more likely than not to be poorly written. Dare I say due to it's audience? Stupid generalization? I double-checked, just to make sure. Sarahhh (the most popular author of the genre) won't be getting a Nobel for literature anytime soon.


Oh, horse apples, I thought I was being original with the leisure jacket. Maybe I meant house robe. Or swishy jacket. [grumbles] I stand firm on the hookah, preferrably with apple tobacco. Especially with the Bangkok powder blue suit, even more so if watching Muay Thai bouts.

 

[sr71plt]

To Sr, aka The Voice of Jenny: Whack all you want, old man. I shall engage you in fisticuffs I didn't make that statement without doing my research. In aforementioned puppyhood I shopped around to find my preferences, and although there are some incredibly well-written stories in Incest and some other categories for which I don't care, I found that stories in the incest category are more likely than not to be poorly written. Dare I say due to it's audience? Stupid generalization? I double-checked, just to make sure. Sarahhh (the most popular author of the genre) won't be getting a Nobel for literature anytime soon.

Ah, so, you misspoke when you said you saying something in Jenny's defense here? Cause what she posted and what you've just said aren't at all the same animal.

 

[wanderwonder]

My animal is endangered. Maybe I should have been more specific. I wholeheartedly agree when she wrote "Very few if any are well written and come to the level of true, readble literature." I would have stuck an "a" in "readble" to make it more so, but I'm not a professional writer.

 

[sr71plt]

My animal is endangered. Maybe I should have been more specific. I wholeheartedly agree when she wrote "Very few if any are well written and come to the level of true, readble literature." I would have stuck an "a" in "readble" to make it more so, but I'm not a professional writer.

Ah, so. Then we're reduced to something someone else said up the line: that's pretty much how it is in all of the categories here.

 

[wanderwonder]

Ah, so. Then we're reduced to something someone else said up the line: that's pretty much how it is in all of the categories here.

I have fallen indeed, like Lucifer cast out of heaven for lowering the overall je ne sais quoi. A thousand Hail Marys. I said in defense of Jenny, did I not? And Jenny did write what I quoted, n'est-ce pas? What am I missing, or have I fallen to far to understand my sins? I would fall to my knees and implore the night sky, but I'm guessing that you're at a computer, not flying a plane. Maybe.

 

[sr71plt]

I have fallen indeed, like Lucifer cast out of heaven for lowering the overall je ne sais quoi. A thousand Hail Marys. I said in defense of Jenny, did I not? And Jenny did write what I quoted, n'est-ce pas? What am I missing, or have I fallen to far to understand my sins? I would fall to my knees and implore the night sky, but I'm guessing that you're at a computer, not flying a plane. Maybe.

Sorry, I have a law degree (that it's international law is neither here no there). That's not all Jenny posted, and you didn't specify that you were only defending a selected bit of what Jenny posted.

And, anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm correct that neither of you nor Jenny have read a large enough proportion of the Incest stories (or any other category) here to be making these sweeping generalizations.

Seems the best avenue would be just to not making such sweeping generalizations. Less egg on face than making them, being called on them with specific citations, and then just ignoring that you ever made them. That fools no one.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Excellent Lit. writer stories who have written excellent Incest stories have been identified on this thread. Do we really need to go down the list and point out all the good writers who have written good stories on incest to get these really stupid generalizations to stop?

On the leisure jacket. I have some nifty (and even swishy) leisure safari suits I had made at a posh tailor shop in Bangkok eons ago--one is powder blue and the other is close to a lime green. Do they qualify? They have sentimental value; I got some very interesting propositions while I was wearing them.

I agree. A good writer should be able to write a good story in any category.

On the leisure suits, mmm powder blue, and lime green. I used a lime green leisure suit in a story...the character had lime green Disco Dan Dancing Pants with the patent pending "Instantly Well Hung" penile bulge, and "Vibro-Matic" crotch...it may have been from the same tailor.

 

[sr71plt]

I agree. A good writer should be able to write a good story in any category.

On the leisure suits, mmm powder blue, and lime green. I used a lime green leisure suit in a story...the character had lime green Disco Dan Dancing Pants with the patent pending "Instantly Well Hung" penile bulge, and "Vibro-Matic" crotch...it may have been from the same tailor.

No, no. These were high fashion. John Fowler was the designer. I got them because I wore them on the cat walk at a Hong Kong fashion year premier. (My wife pulled them out of the back of the winter storage closet a couple of months ago and suggested they would make nice braided rugs. I said oh no, because of the memories--and she has no idea just how wild some of those memories were.)

But then I'm sure this is in the "more than I needed to know" category.

 

[wanderwonder]

Well, if old Johnny F designed them, then we needed to know. : D Tell John that a canary yellow suit would have rounded out the collection nicely.

 

[tickledkitty]

No, no. These were high fashion. John Fowler was the designer. I got them because I wore them on the cat walk at a Hong Kong fashion year premier. (My wife pulled them out of the back of the winter storage closet a couple of months ago and suggested they would make nice braided rugs. I said oh no, because of the memories--and she has no idea just how wild some of those memories were.)

But then I'm sure this is in the "more than I needed to know" category.

She rolled her eyes at you, didn't she?

 

[sr71plt]

Well, if old Johnny F designed them, then we needed to know. : D Tell John that a canary yellow suit would have rounded out the collection nicely.

Wheat. The other choice was wheat colored. I thought that too mundane at the time. I wanted everyone to know it was from John Fowler. Those things went for $400 in the mid 80s.

Oh, I should add. John Fowler's business was in Thailand. Yellow is the color of the royal family. No one else (other than farangs--foreigners) uses that color there, so no one would make clothes in that color there.

 

[wanderwonder]

Wheat. The other choice was wheat colored. I thought that too mundane at the time. I wanted everyone to know it was from John Fowler. Those things went for $400 in the mid 80s.

I'm sorry to hear about the wheat. In Oklahoma, when it's waving it sure smells sweet. I'm suprised that mauve wasn't included, since it was so mod in those days.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

No, no. These were high fashion. John Fowler was the designer. I got them because I wore them on the cat walk at a Hong Kong fashion year premier. (My wife pulled them out of the back of the winter storage closet a couple of months ago and suggested they would make nice braided rugs. I said oh no, because of the memories--and she has no idea just how wild some of those memories were.)

But then I'm sure this is in the "more than I needed to know" category.

LOL, that's something you don't hear often in a sentence, leisure suit, and high fashion.

I agree with WanderWonder, with a canary yellow suit, you would have had a complete set...LOL....

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Wheat. The other choice was wheat colored. I thought that too mundane at the time. I wanted everyone to know it was from John Fowler. Those things went for $400 in the mid 80s.

Oh, I should add. John Fowler's business was in Thailand. Yellow is the color of the royal family. No one else (other than farangs--foreigners) uses that color there, so no one would make clothes in that color there.

Wow, that was a chunk of change in the mid 80's. I guess I should admit to owning a blue "sharkskin" suit in the 80's complete with a pair of Doc Martens with faux zebra fur on the toes...

And that was an interesting tidbit about Thailand...it could come in handy in story sometime...