Incest

[sr71plt]

And that was an interesting tidbit about Thailand...it could come in handy in story sometime...

They all drive yellow Mercedes. That's how the locals know it's time to move over and let them pass. All of the men have to do a stint as a Buddhist monk, and the monks have to go out at dawn and collect the monastery's food for the day from people who have signed up to give that day. One of the most amusing things I saw in Thailand was one dawn when I was, ahem, coming home on foot down my soi (street) and I saw a family standing out in front of their house for the food pickup. A yellow Mercedes glided up to them and the chauffeur got out and took the food from them and passed it to a monk in the back seat and then got back in and drove off. The family looked like that was probably the food they'd needed for themselves that day.

 

[jill999]

I agree. A good writer should be able to write a good story in any category.

Bingo, we have a winner.

 

[dongbun]

Party of Five

I hereby challenge anyone to finish VertigoJ incest story series, "Party of Five" The story is ABSOLUTELY fabulous. Too bad he didn't finished it.

 

[blondehairbluey]

I'm not an expeirenced writer or reader, but if I may offer my opinion, the issue of 'quality' in the writing of incest stories has to do with the line between fantasy/erotica and reality.

One must remember that erotica is not reality. It is fictitious - one would certainly hope so with regards to incest - and as such it simply cannot have the 'quality' of other pieces of literature. For example, one can describe an erotic encounter between two lovers perfectly, because it's possible to have one. It's possible to imagine one, too, because it's a fairly simple equation. Sex is a constant throughout humanity - we can understand how one person can be attracted to another, our empathetic abilities allow us to relate to the way in which love can drive sexual passion, we know, almost instinctually, how two bodies entwine. Almost any person can conceive the way that such factors interplay, how they produce the experiences we fantasise about, write about, read about.

With incest, it becomes more complicated. If we were to imagine a 'real-life' incest situation, we would see that the primary focus - the context - is family, and sex is simply something that is incorporated into that. This cannot easily be the way with fantasized incestuous relationships. Family is not a constant, and if we are presuming that within that family incest occurs, it becomes even less so. We cannot easily relate to it - it sits unnaturaly with us. Furthermore, familial relations are complex, taking years to develop, thousands of little moments, comments, etc. This is almost impossible to convey in a short piece of literature which is being posted primarily to get people off. Compare this to the simple sexual act described earlier - we all know that sometimes it's just a sentence, maybe even only a look, that turns us on to someone. We can talk of 'falling in love at first sight', say we 'wanted them the second they saw them'. This is not so with close familial incest - you cannot fall in love at first sight with someone you have known all your life and it would take a very sick individual to desire a baby sexually. It is not hard to see how the complexity of the family is lost in its transition to erotica, how the intimacy of the charecters' relationships and their history is stripped from them, leaving them flat, uninspired. When we speak of the context of incest fantasty we see that it is reversed - the context of the storyline is sex, and family is more of a secondary element, a framing device.

The element of unfamiliarity also leads people to fall into traps - fantasies can become standardized across the entire genre. For example, in father/daughter erotica, the term 'daddy' is used a lot, because it's a term chosen to signify the innocence of the female, and 'father' is also used a lot, because it seems to reflect the authoritarian position of the male. This is an example of normalization - because people relate to the fantasy, the very idea, of incest, rather than to any real notion of incest, they draw from what others write, what they see around them, rather than from real-life experience. Again, what can be left appears proscribed; typical; hollow.

We can see that this is in some ways similar to rape/non-consent fantasy. This is another example of a genre where the context and the goal are reversed - in reality, power is the goal and sex is the context, the means by which power is achieved. In fantasy, sex is the goal, and power is the means by which it is achieved.

Consequently, whereas in literature the aim is to express the complexity of these relationships, the context, the emotion, in erotica, the aim is far simpler - set a bit of a storyline, get people off. Are people cumming to the stories? Then they're erotica. Ideally, since this is 'Literotica', one should aim to find a balence, but like I said, hard when the context is necessarily so intricate.

In response to the origional poster, the incest section on here is so vast that you're probably better working from the kinks within your incest fantasy. Who are the charecters, what is the relation between them? How do they have sex, lovingly, roughly? What activities do they carry out together? Where are they located? Search from a string of these rather than just 'incest', and you'll narrow your results to things which are in your taste.

 

[Guest]

Family is not a constant, and if we are presuming that within that family incest occurs, it becomes even less so. We cannot easily relate to it - it sits unnaturaly with us.

And yet, were people to be honest, many would admit to fleeting moments of attraction to certain family members, perhaps most notably during adolescence. Those forbidden, barely-realized experiences perhaps account for the category's popularity, much as the mingled thrill and dread of being naked in public may account for much of Exhibitionist & Voyeurs' appeal. We need only a few points of identification and reference to relate to a story. Doesn't mean we'd necessarily want to live the story but if it resonates with something within us we can enjoy it.

Furthermore, familial relations are complex, taking years to develop, thousands of little moments, comments, etc. This is almost impossible to convey in a short piece of literature which is being posted primarily to get people off.

If we have family, we know how complex the relationships can be. Details of familial relationships within a story can be effectively alluded to rather than recapitulated at length. Again, points of reference rather than absolute identification.

Consequently, whereas in literature the aim is to express the complexity of these relationships, the context, the emotion, in erotica, the aim is far simpler - set a bit of a storyline, get people off. Are people cumming to the stories? Then they're erotica. Ideally, since this is 'Literotica', one should aim to find a balence, but like I said, hard when the context is necessarily so intricate.

And what if the story is being posted primarily to examine the internal conflict of one of the characters who is resisting an incestuous relationship? Do we then have the basis for "quality" writing?

In defense of those arguments, I'll immodestly offer my second, and probably last, foray into the Incest genre. It's quite short--a bit over 5,000 words--and while it deliberately uses "Daddy" rather frequently, it's anything but formulaic... which is why it'll never show up on the top list.

You'll find the story here. Don't bother to vote, but do have a read and decide for yourself whether it's both erotica and quality writing.