Infibulation

[rthnck]

it's a small world

It's so weird. I had never heard of this and just yesterday saw a picture of this and now I see this thread. So I went trolling for the picture I saw yesterday.

Enjoy

http://www.stilemedia.com/?id=54a4a

http://www.stilemedia.com/?v=plip6.wmv

 

[Etoile]

It's so weird. I had never heard of this and just yesterday saw a picture of this and now I see this thread. So I went trolling for the picture I saw yesterday.

Enjoy

http://www.stilemedia.com/?id=54a4a

http://www.stilemedia.com/?v=plip6.wmv

Thanks for sharing those! I enjoyed both of them.

Here's an article about a public display of cunt sewing.
http://www.gettingit.com/article/204

 

[Etoile]

Also, some pictures from MissXtreme. This one appears to use separate threads for each stitch; I personally find that less attractive than a single thread but I think maybe you can get the stitches drawn tighter that way because you're not cutting the skin each time you tighten a stitch.
http://www.missxtreme.com/galltgpw/pussy_sewing_pussy_stiching_pussy_infibulation/pussy_sewing.html

 

[Never]

Vive la France.

 

[mickyp123]

No, I don't. Could you please tell me?

edit: Wait, found it. Apparently somebody tightened a spanner (known as a wrench in the US) around somebody's nuts. I hardly think that's going too far. In fact, from one of the camera operators, here's what happened:

"Beatings of buttocks, legs, cocks and balls with leather straps, canes, nettles etc. Hot wax being dripped onto genitals, torsos, legs etc. Play piercings of tits, scrotums, cock knobs, shafts, and foreskins. Genital application of heat (hair driers) and cold (ice cubes). Genital bondage and manipulation etc, ball weights, safe electrical play (just adaptation for electrical sexual play, of the muscle toning gear used by health clubs). Scrotal stretching and pinning out with needles etc. Nipple and cock branding."

None of which sounds like it's "going too far" to me.

with the name you are quite close, and they went a bit further than that.

Sorry if you felt i did not sound credible that's fine lol, i will not forget the pics i saw.

Take care

 

[Never]

mickyp123,
I think you're mistaken.



So how do people feel about consensual cannibalism?

 

[mickyp123]

mickyp123,
I think you're mistaken.



So how do people feel about consensual cannibalism?

Thats ok, i know i'm not

 

[Etoile]

So how do people feel about consensual cannibalism?

I'm going to answer here even though I'm still hoping this thread will be split; the Spanner case has nothing to do with infibulation.

Where consensual cannibalism does not result in the taking of a life, I'm okay with it. I know of a guy who basically circumcised himself and then ate his own foreskin; I don't think he was insane. However...I'm not sure one can give informed consent to murder. This is what the case in Germany was all about; as I recall the cannibal in that case was convicted. But then I also feel that if you're suicidal, you should do it by your own hand, except where you are physically incapable of doing so (requiring assisted suicide).

But mickeyp123, I think you are wrong here. You saw some photos, or some videos, and you think you know what happened and whether the conviction was justified. The case did not have to do with "going too far." It had to do with specific consensual BDSM acts; the officers who viewed the videos thought they had uncovered a snuff ring and they couldn't believe someone would consent to that stuff. The description "too far" is subjective and rarely works in court. Also, the result of the case was not to outlaw specific acts, but rather to say "you cannot consent to your own assault." What is assault is still left up to the arresting officer - it has nothing to do with Spanner.

 

[Dragonteeth]

Also, some pictures from MissXtreme. This one appears to use separate threads for each stitch; I personally find that less attractive than a single thread but I think maybe you can get the stitches drawn tighter that way because you're not cutting the skin each time you tighten a stitch.
http://www.missxtreme.com/galltgpw/pussy_sewing_pussy_stiching_pussy_infibulation/pussy_sewing.html

Actually this is something that really interests me. Especially the idea of securing a "vibrating egg" in this way. It's not something I have direct experience of but I'd explore it with the right partner.

 

[mickyp123]

I'm going to answer here even though I'm still hoping this thread will be split; the Spanner case has nothing to do with infibulation.

Where consensual cannibalism does not result in the taking of a life, I'm okay with it. I know of a guy who basically circumcised himself and then ate his own foreskin; I don't think he was insane. However...I'm not sure one can give informed consent to murder. This is what the case in Germany was all about; as I recall the cannibal in that case was convicted. But then I also feel that if you're suicidal, you should do it by your own hand, except where you are physically incapable of doing so (requiring assisted suicide).

But mickeyp123, I think you are wrong here. You saw some photos, or some videos, and you think you know what happened and whether the conviction was justified. The case did not have to do with "going too far." It had to do with specific consensual BDSM acts; the officers who viewed the videos thought they had uncovered a snuff ring and they couldn't believe someone would consent to that stuff. The description "too far" is subjective and rarely works in court. Also, the result of the case was not to outlaw specific acts, but rather to say "you cannot consent to your own assault." What is assault is still left up to the arresting officer - it has nothing to do with Spanner.

I saw material at the time, we could go on but i see no point the only thing is you cannot have a situation where people can consent to anything, there has got to be lines drawn to protect those individuals that might need it otherwise where does one draw that line, after all we have had cannibalism

 

[Etoile]

Actually this is something that really interests me. Especially the idea of securing a "vibrating egg" in this way. It's not something I have direct experience of but I'd explore it with the right partner.

Ooooh, I like that idea! I never thought of that.

 

[Etoile]

I saw material at the time, we could go on but i see no point the only thing is you cannot have a situation where people can consent to anything, there has got to be lines drawn to protect those individuals that might need it otherwise where does one draw that line, after all we have had cannibalism

The obvious argument is that some people believe the government has no such right to make laws about what people can and cannot do to themselves. But I'll set that aside for now.

So let's assume it's okay for the government to enact legislation about personal activities. If that's the case, then the laws should refer to specific activities. This is not how the UK works. Instead, the UK says "you cannot consent to your own assault, but we're not telling you what the definition of assault is." In fact, this is what you yourself said: there need to be lines drawn. Currently, under Spanner, the UK does not have lines - it has a diaphanous net. And that is a problem for everyone in the UK, especially practitioners of BDSM.

 

[shy slave]

The obvious argument is that some people believe the government has no such right to make laws about what people can and cannot do to themselves. But I'll set that aside for now.

So let's assume it's okay for the government to enact legislation about personal activities. If that's the case, then the laws should refer to specific activities. This is not how the UK works. Instead, the UK says "you cannot consent to your own assault, but we're not telling you what the definition of assault is." In fact, this is what you yourself said: there need to be lines drawn. Currently, under Spanner, the UK does not have lines - it has a diaphanous net. And that is a problem for everyone in the UK, especially practitioners of BDSM.

Etoile I agree with your post.

The difficulty with UK law is much of it has been made by case law not statute, therefore it is constantly vague until tested.

There are so many reasons why I no longer want a life in the UK, the absurdity of the Spanner case plus the narrow mindedness of many UK citizens are just examples of why.

There are old threads discussing the Spanner case, but frankly I think enough has been said.

I will have to agree to disagree with mickey on this.

Where is the line between personal distaste at something, and 'too far' which I read as 'beyond acceptable?'

Acceptable is a subjective concept, after all Shank is a great example of things that can be done (and enjoyed) that many would consider 'too far'.


Back on Topic

Etoille I can see that individual stitches may be easier on the pyl, as one running thread will pull on each previous stitch as the next one is created.
Although individual stitches seems time consuming, plus how do they tie them off? Or is that a dumb question? I don't mean itto be I just can't figure it out.

 

[ammre]

I'd try it. it's not my kink nor is it something i'm seeking, but i'd be curious. I've been around lip sewings and one of my friends had his eyes sewn shut (it was actually the skin above and below the eye, not the lids themselves.) To be honest, i'd sooner get my labis sewn together them my actual lips. I'm none too good with mouth pain, and i'd say that my lip piercing was 20 times worse then getting a 10g needle shoved under my clit.

 

[Etoile]

Etoille I can see that individual stitches may be easier on the pyl, as one running thread will pull on each previous stitch as the next one is created.
Although individual stitches seems time consuming, plus how do they tie them off? Or is that a dumb question? I don't mean itto be I just can't figure it out.

I'm only going based on the pictures from MissXtreme, but it looks like the individual stitches are run as you would tie a shoe - simply knotted together tightly over the labia. It looks like you really have to pinch them together to do it this way, and tie it tightly, otherwise it could open more easily than if you used a running thread that was made tight by continuing along its path.

 

[jadefirefly]

I think the pictures are incredibly pretty.


I could never, ever tolerate it. But it's pretty to look at.

 

[Dragonteeth]

I'm only going based on the pictures from MissXtreme, but it looks like the individual stitches are run as you would tie a shoe - simply knotted together tightly over the labia. It looks like you really have to pinch them together to do it this way, and tie it tightly, otherwise it could open more easily than if you used a running thread that was made tight by continuing along its path.

What I liked about those pictures was the way the individual stitches were pulled by the long ends. Not sure it they were just pulled or tied to something but the tension could be interesting as an addition to other bondage...

 

[barebacknubianf]

Yes, it is true.

Have you heard of the Spanner case?

This is not the thread to end up discussing it but several men were successfully prosecuted for engaging in sm play.

Our country (regardless of who is in Govt), is VERY closed minded on many issues, sm is only one example.

But if you are a PYL in the UK you are constantly at risk of prosecution and jail time.

Consent is not a defense.

As yet dungeons and dungeon Masters have not been to court but that is because they are a private facility/members only, and as yet no-one has reported wrong doing to the police.
I think it will happen, it is just a matter of time.

Makes you realise the risks people take to gain mental, emotional and sexual gratification.

*PYL = pick your label

Hi,

I'm not sure it's such a bad thing that some s/m practices are illegal. (I know this is off-thread by the way, so feel free to move it if you want.) I understand on an intellectual level that somebody can consent to, say, having their genitals mutilated, but my gut still says to me, "That's open to a hell of a lot of abuse". It brings up all sorts of uncomfortable issues to do with coercion and competence (in the legal sense) that make me rather glad it is illegal. Spanking is one thing, but genital mutilation is something else altogether; it's important that a victim of abuse should still be able to get justice if they have been coerced into "giving their consent", or were not competent to give or withold it at the time of giving. (I'm thinking of, for example, people under the influence of a drug, or who are mentally handicapped.)

Of course, competent people do sometimes give their consent to damaging things, but seeing as how it would be exceedingly difficult (not to mention politically impossible) to word legislation that said "activity X is illegal, but legal if consent is given, and provided the giver was competent" I think we're left with a choice. That choice is between 1) outlawing certain acts while impinging on people's freedoms, in order to protect the innocent, and 2) preserving those freedoms to please s/mers but being faced with abuse going unpunished. And personally I think the former is the better option. Some freedoms are not worth their attendant problems.

That's my point of view, and I'm not trolling! I'd welcome any alternative opinions. (I should also stress that I am in no way tarring all s/mers as abusers! Only a tiny minority, who we all know exist. And I should also point out that I'm certainly not against a good spanking every now and then. )

 

[SubNebGuy]

no way. genital mutilation is mutilation...permanent or otherwise.

 

[Etoile]

no way. genital mutilation is mutilation...permanent or otherwise.

It is possible for infibulation to cause mutilation, but it's possible to do it without mutilation. To achieve infibulation that IS mutilation, the girl's labia are cut and abraded before being sewn together. When the scars form, the flesh is joined together and grows into a single surface. (The same way scars heal when the doctor gives you stitches.)

But temporary infibulation is not mutilation. It causes no permanent effects. When the stitches are removed, the labia are perfectly normal. The holes that the thread went through fade very quickly. Temporary infibulation is very, very different from the permanent kind.

 

[SpectreT]

Piercings as infibulation.

There are some porn pics floating around the net, they turn up from time to time in TGPs that either feature a BDSM section or are BDSM themed. Short haired blonde submissive, has several piercings in her outer labia, and depending on the set, rings or barbells effectively closing off the genital area. There's another woman who has an incredibly large number of very thick rings used as infibulation, and most of the photosets show her being buggered with an improbably large dildo. Heavyset woman, long dark hair or wig, no or few face shots, usually badly focused if there is any porion of her face showing. Not terribly brutal, but not for those with gentle sensibilities, either of these sets.

In the male department,

A story I read, not here on Lit, at one point the man had a Prince Albert and a piercing back on his scrotum. the rings were padlocked together as a sort of chastitiy device.

 

[Pure]

i notice the pics show outer lips being pierced and drawn together.

presumably this could be done with just the inner lips, or both sets.

if there are needle piercings of breasts and testicles, then labia seem like--excuse the expression-- small potatoes. pics have a kind of strange beauty.

in sade, of course, it's an expression of extreme hostility to mothers.
he was consciously subverting the 'sanctity of motherhood' by sealing off the passageway.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

in sade, of course, it's an expression of extreme hostility to mothers.
he was consciously subverting the 'sanctity of motherhood' by sealing off the passageway.

Definately the case in de Sade's fiction Pure.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

Infibulation means sewing, usually sewing the cunt lips together. It's practiced as a permanent or long-term form of Female Genital Mutilation in some cultures, but it's also a BDSM practice - virtually always a temporary play thing.

I find infibulation fascinating, I'm not sure why. It's always been an erotic image for me, though I've never seen one performed. I just watched a four-minute video of an infibulation, and that slave was hollering in pain. She repeatedly begged him to wait a moment because she was scared, and I can see why. After having seen that video, I'm no longer interested in being sewn up...that's just too much pain for me to want for myself! (Which is not to say I would not submit to it being done - just that I would not ask for it.)

Does anybody else have an interest in infibulation?

Is infibulation similar to the practice I've heard of in BDSM where the submissive gets typical piercings on their action and then they are laced together by the Dom/me or at the Dom/me's request (not sure with what) so that there's no access granted either to the submissive or anyone else who tries?

Or is this just an updated version of infibulation? The above idea always kind of turned me on, but then again, I always liked knowing that I was no one else's but Her's and the idea of such piercings turned me on because it seemed like it would be the ultimate claim to ownership.

 

[Never]

@}-}rebecca----:
"Definately the case in de Sade's fiction Pure."

Nevertheless, infibulations are a type of female genital mutilation used in the real world outside of BDSM contexts and it is symbolic of a fear and hatred of female sexuality. You can't borrow the practice and lose the symbolism.