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[Millificent]

Okay, by now you know I carry on a love affair with sharp and/or pointy objects. I have a new one to report. Tattoos. omg. Fabulous feeling. For me, from a bdm standpoint, it was needle play, Wartenburg wheel, and knife play all rolled into one. *sigh*

 

[EmpressFi]

Okay, by now you know I carry on a love affair with sharp and/or pointy objects. I have a new one to report. Tattoos. omg. Fabulous feeling. For me, from a bdm standpoint, it was needle play, Wartenburg wheel, and knife play all rolled into one. *sigh*

That.. is a GREAT..description

I used to say that getting a tat was like scraping your knee over and over.. it hurt until they stopped... and then it instantly went away

and dammit..now I want one!!

 

[graceanne]

Ooh yes. Cold, sharp steel especially. Master once had me on the verge of freaking out, threatening to cut his initials into me.


Motherfucker was holding his front door key against my back. I was never in the slightest danger of being hurt.

ROFL Talk about a mind fuck.

I'm really hoping that those with little or no experience in subspace are that way because they have little or no experience bottoming. I would hate to think that this many Tops have no ability/desire to produce that state.

(And, no, I don't aim to induce it each time, nor even often, but there are just times when you really want to send your girl for a ride.)

I've found that hitting sub space takes quite more time and energy than me and K have. LOL I envy people who can hit subspace through one act.

 

[Homburg]

Nik was very good at what she did, as were other Dommes i have been with in the past, i am simply too... "in the now"... and "in the where" to really allow myself to slip off to a sense of weightlessness... i can only think of two times i ever felt close.. once was when i was just starting out and one was with Nik... i simply stopped reacting to her hits.. to her attention.. i didn't really feel anything.. but mentally i was still very aware of where i was and what was going on

It makes sense that some people just can't get there. They seem to be in the sharp minority in my (admittedly limited) experience.

 

[kinkyknickers]

Ooh Ooh! Three things, first the words "dirty little slut" I fucking love that.
Plus being flogged to within an inch of my life, ruthlessly and he gets that wild look in his eye (the bruises keep the memory alive).
Finally, getting a punch and taper surface piercing. I'm going to be covered in them the way I'm going. I'll be taking it a step further and trying suspension soon, love it, getting all gooey thinking about it.

 

[notalwaysweak]

I realised yesterday that I put my hand to my neck or drum my fingers on my collarbone when I'm upset or tense.

 

[shy slave]

I'm really hoping that those with little or no experience in subspace are that way because they have little or no experience bottoming. I would hate to think that this many Tops have no ability/desire to produce that state.

(And, no, I don't aim to induce it each time, nor even often, but there are just times when you really want to send your girl for a ride.)

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It's true. Needles just seem to slam some people in headspace immediately.

(And I need to buy some more.)

Interesting POV.

I don't think it is just the PYL alone who can manifest subspace, it is a combination of pyl frame of mind with whatever triggers work which the PYL uses.

I have been known to be in situations with a PYL and subspace was as far away as the moon, yet the same actions on another day and my brain is instantly lost inside itself.

Part of that is trust, subspace is such an intensely private space that I don't always want it to happen and will work hard for it not to happen.

That makes it sound like a battle of wills, when it is more that I don't want to cope with that level of intensity at that point in time, or I simply can't 'get there'

Other times it has happened in the blink of an eye and we were both left shaken and shocked by the speed and intensity.

If it was easy to achieve I would want it less, plus I like knowing that not every PYL who strokes my neck, lowers his voice or spits on me can send my brain into a place of complete focus on him and his actions.

In an odd way sub space can frighten me, I aware after the event it is the one time he has complete mental control over me, ask me to do anything and I would, I would give instant obedience without thought or rational idea of my own safety. It takes personal courage to allow a PYL to put me in that place.

As for needles, I have never tried them; but I have bought them and I am aware he plans to use them on me. I am shaking with fear at the thought, I am really terrified, but I will go through with it when he decides it is time.

 

[shy slave]

Okay, by now you know I carry on a love affair with sharp and/or pointy objects. I have a new one to report. Tattoos. omg. Fabulous feeling. For me, from a bdm standpoint, it was needle play, Wartenburg wheel, and knife play all rolled into one. *sigh*

I love the side of a wartenburg wheel dragged over my kin, it doesn't put me in subspace but it does make me want more.

Then again my idea of a great toy is a steel brush (the sort used to take paint off metal) dragged heavily over my skin, or my back and inner thighs paddled with the sharp side of it

 

[00Syd]

I realised yesterday that I put my hand to my neck or drum my fingers on my collarbone when I'm upset or tense.

I do the same thing.

I also touch my nose a lot when I'm uncomfortable for some reason. I have absolutely no idea why that is! Touching my neck makes much more sense.

 

[Homburg]

Interesting POV.

I don't think it is just the PYL alone who can manifest subspace, it is a combination of pyl frame of mind with whatever triggers work which the PYL uses.

*snip*

Makes sense. Perhaps my experience with it is anedotal only given the comparatively small sample I've personally worked with.

And, honestly, I have been told time and again that I am distinctly easy to trust (for whatever reason). That may be why I don't tend to have a problem getting people into that headspace. I can think of more than a couple of bottoms that I took for a ride the first time I met/played with them.

The more I think about it, trust/comfort really is likely to be important. Very good point, shy.

 

[intothewoods]

Makes sense. Perhaps my experience with it is anedotal only given the comparatively small sample I've personally worked with.

And, honestly, I have been told time and again that I am distinctly easy to trust (for whatever reason). That may be why I don't tend to have a problem getting people into that headspace. I can think of more than a couple of bottoms that I took for a ride the first time I met/played with them.

The more I think about it, trust/comfort really is likely to be important. Very good point, shy.

Subspace is the floaty feeling, the rush of endorphins. I don't find I need to have any more trust than I would for anyone else I bottom to (which is some, of course). Whack me enough times and the endorphins are released. It's a chemical reaction.

 

[HottieMama]

Knives, Rope, and Oral all produce that "floaty feeling."

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Anyone else have something that will put you straight into that deep mindset (if you don't already spend all your time in it anyway)?

For me, hair pulling has always snapped me into sub space. Not extremely hard yanking, as mentioned by someone else before, but enough to let me know He means business. A stern voice will do the trick as well, and so would that voice calling me a whore. Again, could be stern or could be whispered... i've also noticed if a more or less 'nilla man seems to get into a Dominant role, and enjoys himself, that will get me going too.

Those are some instant triggers for me!

 

[TeachMeSir]

Oh, I quess I have a few triggers. Each one elicts a different "sub" response.

Most nights when I go to bed I tether myself by the ankle. I have been doing this for a while & originally it was somthing I was just trying out. Now if I have had a bad day I just can't wait to get into bed and wrap the cuff around my ankle. The rope is long enough that I hardly ever feel the tug of restriction, but the cuff around my ankle works like magic. It centers & grounds me. I imagine a hand circling my ankle at times, but that isn't even necessary. I think that I am going to try & find something that I can wear daily around my ankle.

Another one is being grasped on the back of the neck. Much like a mother cat would pick up her kitten. Or hands on my hips... I'm not sure of all the feeling behind this, I just know I like it.... hands pulling me towards him, or pushing me against a wall so he could press against me, hands framing me as he burries his head between my legs, holding me down, ..... there are so many ways his hands can gently guide me just by my hips.

And last, but not least ... "Good Girl" or any other statement in one of a few certain tones of voice - one a demading tone, or in a teasing way like talking to a child ....*mmmmm melting*

 

[faeriefire]

I've been reading through here and I guess I'm a bit confused. Many of the things mentioned can make me instantly attuned, can make my focus center on another, can make me aroused at the drop of a hat. Is that subspace? I think I have this perception of subspace as being more intense, hard to get to, more of an out-of-body experience. Where is the line between arousal and subspace? Have people experienced this on their own, only in the presence of another person, while talking online or over the phone? I haven't been in a position to witness or experience my perception of subspace yet, although I think that may change soon. I'm wondering if the things people have mentioned here always accompany subspace or if it's entirely dependent on the situation. Just one more question, promise Do you have to feel aroused first to go into there or can you go straight into subspace without buildup? I know they're tangential questions but I didn't find clear answers in the library so I thought here would be the best place to ask...thank you for any clarity you can give...

 

[spndrft]

I've been reading through here and I guess I'm a bit confused. Many of the things mentioned can make me instantly attuned, can make my focus center on another, can make me aroused at the drop of a hat. Is that subspace? I think I have this perception of subspace as being more intense, hard to get to, more of an out-of-body experience. Where is the line between arousal and subspace? Have people experienced this on their own, only in the presence of another person, while talking online or over the phone? I haven't been in a position to witness or experience my perception of subspace yet, although I think that may change soon. I'm wondering if the things people have mentioned here always accompany subspace or if it's entirely dependent on the situation. Just one more question, promise Do you have to feel aroused first to go into there or can you go straight into subspace without buildup? I know they're tangential questions but I didn't find clear answers in the library so I thought here would be the best place to ask...thank you for any clarity you can give...

I'm definitely not an expert but, to quote shy slave:

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In an odd way sub space can frighten me, I aware after the event it is the one time he has complete mental control over me, ask me to do anything and I would, I would give instant obedience without thought or rational idea of my own safety. It takes personal courage to allow a PYL to put me in that place.
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To me I would use the term subspace to describe the "floaty" feeling others mentioned with this intense focus on my PYL and this sense of loss of control... I totally agree. I also have a really hard time talking or even moving (except perhaps some squirming/writhing) at that point... very good to be horizontal or leaning against something, otherwise I'd totally fall on my ass. I don't know about "out of body" but it's definitely a very, um, almost tranquil feeling?

I am very tactile and physical by nature -so I am an in-person kinda gal. Sometimes just a touch the right way by him will send me flying... so I suppose triggering that submissive feeling in me would in turn trigger the arousal? Perhaps they both happen at the same time? I can't really tell, I'm not really all that aware or in control at that point. I imagine it's part of the same spectrum.

 

[intothewoods]

I've been reading through here and I guess I'm a bit confused. Many of the things mentioned can make me instantly attuned, can make my focus center on another, can make me aroused at the drop of a hat. Is that subspace? I think I have this perception of subspace as being more intense, hard to get to, more of an out-of-body experience. Where is the line between arousal and subspace? Have people experienced this on their own, only in the presence of another person, while talking online or over the phone? I haven't been in a position to witness or experience my perception of subspace yet, although I think that may change soon. I'm wondering if the things people have mentioned here always accompany subspace or if it's entirely dependent on the situation. Just one more question, promise Do you have to feel aroused first to go into there or can you go straight into subspace without buildup? I know they're tangential questions but I didn't find clear answers in the library so I thought here would be the best place to ask...thank you for any clarity you can give...

Thank you. It's something I'd also like clarified. As I understand it, subspace is the floaty feeling you have at the release of endorphins in a physical play session. Basically, when you experience pain, your body releases a rush of endorphins. It may take more pain for some people. It may take less for others.

Also, as I understand it, it's not the same thing as being in a submissive headspace. But I think many people here are discussing submissive headspace (i.e., what makes you feel submissive) rather than subspace.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

In an odd way sub space can frighten me, I aware after the event it is the one time he has complete mental control over me, ask me to do anything and I would, I would give instant obedience without thought or rational idea of my own safety. It takes personal courage to allow a PYL to put me in that place.

I'm exactly the same. Sometimes a word or a look will do it, other days he could flog me to death and it wouldn't happen. When it does though, I'm his implicitly. I enter a different state of consciousness and obey as though I am an extension of him, as though I am controlled by him in the same way that his limbs are. There is no conscious thought, choice or consent. It would be terrifying if I were ever to get like that with the wrong person. It makes you so utterly vulnerable.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I've been reading through here and I guess I'm a bit confused. Many of the things mentioned can make me instantly attuned, can make my focus center on another, can make me aroused at the drop of a hat. Is that subspace? I think I have this perception of subspace as being more intense, hard to get to, more of an out-of-body experience. Where is the line between arousal and subspace? Have people experienced this on their own, only in the presence of another person, while talking online or over the phone? I haven't been in a position to witness or experience my perception of subspace yet, although I think that may change soon. I'm wondering if the things people have mentioned here always accompany subspace or if it's entirely dependent on the situation. Just one more question, promise Do you have to feel aroused first to go into there or can you go straight into subspace without buildup? I know they're tangential questions but I didn't find clear answers in the library so I thought here would be the best place to ask...thank you for any clarity you can give...

Personally I have two alternate states: subspace and slavespace.

Slavespace for me is like Shy described subspace. I follow orders without question. It's a floaty, aroused state but at the same time I'm grounded enough to be useful and obedient. I know it's an altered state because at the time I have no control over my actions. I am in a place where I will obey whatever I'm told. My pain threshold skyrockets as although pain is still painful, I assimilate it in a way that makes it less prescient or important.

Subspace is different for me. It's usually when I'm bound and free from the need to serve and obey. In subspace, I just float away and disappear. I will climax on command without hesitation and again, my threshold for pain is greatly increased and he can push me harder and further than at any other time. OTOH I am not able to serve and obey instruction, I become unresponsive and distant. I need some bringing back from this one and if he tries to yank me out of my nirvana too quickly I can get irrationally scared and tearful.

In both states I am incapable of safewording and he has to monitor me very carefully as I have medical issues that can require a scene to halt without hesitation. He's become very good at figuring out where I'm at mentally, which is just as well as I'm incapable of communicating it at the time.

 

[TenJed69]

Oh, I quess I have a few triggers. Each one elicts a different "sub" response.

Most nights when I go to bed I tether myself by the ankle. I have been doing this for a while & originally it was somthing I was just trying out. Now if I have had a bad day I just can't wait to get into bed and wrap the cuff around my ankle. The rope is long enough that I hardly ever feel the tug of restriction, but the cuff around my ankle works like magic. It centers & grounds me. I imagine a hand circling my ankle at times, but that isn't even necessary. I think that I am going to try & find something that I can wear daily around my ankle.

Another one is being grasped on the back of the neck. Much like a mother cat would pick up her kitten. Or hands on my hips... I'm not sure of all the feeling behind this, I just know I like it.... hands pulling me towards him, or pushing me against a wall so he could press against me, hands framing me as he burries his head between my legs, holding me down, ..... there are so many ways his hands can gently guide me just by my hips.

And last, but not least ... "Good Girl" or any other statement in one of a few certain tones of voice - one a demading tone, or in a teasing way like talking to a child ....*mmmmm melting*

H...O....T

 

[TeachMeSir]

H...O....T

Why Thank-You Kind Sir

 

[twysted73]

Oh, I quess I have a few triggers. Each one elicts a different "sub" response.

Most nights when I go to bed I tether myself by the ankle. I have been doing this for a while & originally it was somthing I was just trying out. Now if I have had a bad day I just can't wait to get into bed and wrap the cuff around my ankle. The rope is long enough that I hardly ever feel the tug of restriction, but the cuff around my ankle works like magic. It centers & grounds me. I imagine a hand circling my ankle at times, but that isn't even necessary. I think that I am going to try & find something that I can wear daily around my ankle.

Another one is being grasped on the back of the neck. Much like a mother cat would pick up her kitten. Or hands on my hips... I'm not sure of all the feeling behind this, I just know I like it.... hands pulling me towards him, or pushing me against a wall so he could press against me, hands framing me as he burries his head between my legs, holding me down, ..... there are so many ways his hands can gently guide me just by my hips.

And last, but not least ... "Good Girl" or any other statement in one of a few certain tones of voice - one a demading tone, or in a teasing way like talking to a child ....*mmmmm melting*

Yes...quite hot. Thank you for sharing.

 

[shy slave]

It seems I am getting my terminology mixed up!

Ages ago Catalina posted an article on slave space/sub space, I can't remember what was described as what, but it did explain things well.

I guess I was describing slave space, not sub space.

Now I think of the two descriptions people have given I am not sure I have ever hit the 'floaty place.'

Hmm maybe I need to explore more empty spaces in my head!

 

[TeachMeSir]

Yes...quite hot. Thank you for sharing.

You're welcome.

I shoudl also mention that the noises I hear when someone is stretching all the kinks out of their body either first thing in the morning or as they settle in for the night is a hot button for me......