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[LordMonsterous]

Common sense counts for so much more than IQ points.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Common sense counts for so much more than IQ points.

Bullshit.

 

[FungiUg]

Common sense counts for so much more than IQ points.

In my experience, common sense is remarkably uncommon.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

common sense is remarkably uncommon.

Especially when you're trying to cram IQ points into a tiny head, or hole ... wait ... that didn't come out right ...

or did it?

 

[shy slave]

This thread gave me first laugh of the day!!

Great thread Dolph,

I am with those who wants someone with intelligence but not necessarily the book learning sort.

My first husband made a pile of bricks look intelligent, so had i known about this lifestyle there is no way would, or could submit to him.

sinnocent that conversation ~ wonderful Thank you; it sums up so many I have met

my second husband had logical sense which drove me crazy at times as his logic and mine...oh well you get the picture lol.

I have been to bed with vanilla men who had barely got beyond the ABC but i only wanted sex not conversation!

I have taken an IQ test but can't remember what it came out as (honest).

My knowledge is pretty limited to the care and legal industry and I lack common sense at times, but have a car load of qualifications *sigh*.

I sure as hell don't feel intelligent, but am snob enough not to be able to submit to someone I cannot have a conversation with or who I deem intelligent.

I know that can be seen as predjudice but I can't help how I feel.

Master has not obtained any qualifications since school, but in life intelligence he is way above me. He has knowledge on stuff I know nothing about.

I guess I measure a person intelligence on their ability to put a point across, their overall communication skills and humour.

i don't judge intelligence on bits of paper, upbringing, background, tone of voice or speech. Although I have always wondered why a slow drawl can make someone sound less intelligent than they are; not sure about other accents but Dorset/Norfolk/Cornwall accents in UK are examples of this

Having read this thread its seems we all judge intelligence slightly differently, the common aspects appear to be life experiences, not treating a sub as though they are dumb and conversations on many levels.

PS dolph RR LOVES to scare it seems to make him happy lol.

Esclava having read your post have checked for spelling errors but feel free to point out any of mine at any time, i can take it, and I will have tissues to mop up my tears in readiness

 

[Guest]

i've seen threads on age differences, emotional connection and physical attributes. i was wondering though, does it matter to people how inteligent a chosen partner is?
vi don't feel like i could ever submit to a person who wasn't quite a bit smarter than me! i rapidly lose respect for partners who i can out think...is this common?

i'm far from being a genius, on a good day my IQ comes out at 142...on a bad day 132, so 90% of the men i meet don't measure up for me it's pretty frustrating when everything else is there.

ok, i guess i'm comming across as a bit of a snob...but i don't see how i could submit totally to someone who wasn't "better" than me? (and i really want to be able to submit) all seems a tad illogical

/ducks, waiting for an angry response...

xx

Hmm No not angry..

Hmmm*again*
Lessee I tested out somewhere above 146...
I have a two year degree (an AAS)
Most of a BE - (tech ed) Mid school teacher level...
Hmm
I don't really, even (at 41 years of age) remember how many things I am qualified to do anymore..
I speak a few words of a dozen or so languages ..Mainly how to order beer or get into a fight :grin:
I can build a house.
I can plumb it.
I can do the glass.
I can fix a car.
I can (and have) re-built entire motorcycles.
I have flown a plane.
I can grow food.
I can make whiskey (though I prefer to make Mead)
I fix my own computer.
hmm
I can walk into the woods with a knife and a good set of shoes and live for however long I find necessary. In an emergency I can skip the knife and shoes.
I love classical music (especially Chopin and Mozart)
I can, and do, cook gourmet food.(and enjoy it )
I know how to build and use a forge.
I love the growing of roses.
I write both Erotica ...and fair poetry.
Lessee....
I have done complete manual drafting ( a lost art these days).
and on and on and on and on...
One of the things that I DON'T do, is worry about my spelling and punctuation as much as I should.

So....

Having read the posts that were insulting, cruel, and without justification...
Tell me and us .. about your intelligence ..
You will find that a LOT of the people here are like me. They can do a LOT of things...
What can you do?

 

[Netzach]

I do care about spelling and punctuation. I also can become very conversant in just about any romance language in about 4 months, then forget everything I learned again in 4 years.

I need to resort to writing out the number I need to "carry" when adding in a tip at a restaurant (twice tax or ten percent and half that again) If you test me on math, I'm probably where that person's ex who didn't know the word "communication" is.

I go to contemporary art museums and get rapt about the white paintings that most people laugh at. I can do 1/3 to 1/2 of a Sunday Times crossword. My verbal SAT scores were as they say "off the map" and if you didn't get 200 points for signing your name, my math scores would probably be double digit.

The only thing I think worth watching on TV is the Simpsons.

I hate top 40 radio.

I need a partner to share some of these intellectual and taste driven priorities or I will get bored. The fact that M hardly reads fiction and spaced out English sometimes gets me very down, it's hard to be on the same page if I'm talking to someone who I have to explain Hamlet to if they only were forced to read Macbeth, as a theoretical example, but I can handle it because we both loved watching Kieslowski's Blue.

Snobbery, elitism, bring on the charges. I call it just wanting to find someone with values like yours.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Re: Re: intelect...

Hmm No not angry..

<major snippage>One of the things that I DON'T do, is worry about my spelling and punctuation as much as I should.

So....

Having read the posts that were insulting, cruel, and without justification...
Tell me and us .. about your intelligence ..
You will find that a LOT of the people here are like me. They can do a LOT of things...
What can you do? (emphasis mine - SW)

Ouch! I'll take your word for it, EKVITKAR, that you are not (or the post is not) angry - but, considering the post, I think I'll be very careful not to anger you. You have ... a way ... with words....

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Snobbery, elitism, bring on the charges. I call it just wanting to find someone with values like yours.

Kaching ...

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: intelect...

Ouch! I'll take your word for it, EKVITKAR, that you are not (or the post is not) angry - but, considering the post, I think I'll be very careful not to anger you. You have ... a way ... with words....

Sorry - there are just a few things that really get me going ..

*sigh* I more or less remember the IQ number because I find it amusing.
The thing is...IQ is situational.. If we are in the woods and are goint to be there for a week ...The ability to write a computer program is of ....marginal use.

I grew up reading Heinlein, and then his clone son, David Gerrold..
The fellow that she (sinn0cent1.) talked down to...Can no doubt do things that she could never dream of.

And yes, I WOULD bet money on that.

It HAS been my experience though, that a really large percentage of the folks I have met in BDSM..Seem to be in the high intelligence bracket..
Go figure.

(And *grin* nope, I can speak, or write, just like that without a shred of true anger. Indignation perhaps.. But not anger. I will say this much about being a Dom for this long. It has helped me with the concept of emotional seperation.)

 

[Caitlynne]

Or in your case, to spell.

*snicker* I can always count of Pure to point out the obvious.

 

[graceanne]

Well, I agree with most people here. My sister, Melissa, has an IQ of over 140. She got honor roll without even trying. But the woman is an idiot. She got pregnant her senior year in high school. She wasn't using ANY birthcontrol. Why? She didn't want it to look like she was planning on having sex.

On the other hand, I struggled all the way through school. I had to fight to get C's (except in band). But there's nothing wrong with my intelligance. The truth of the matter is that I have an IQ of 130, but even more importantly, I have common sense. My husband also is not the worlds most educated person, but he's a truly smart. Your education and all that is not important.

Somewhat off the subject, but what really really gets on my nerves is weak willed people. I know it's somewhat odd, since I'm a sub, but I'm very strong willed, and I won't have anything to do with people who don't have at least as strong a will as me. I get bored.

 

[NCShin]

Excuse me if i'm a bit off, but i'm just back from the yanks/sox game and had a few drinks....


I've found that intelligence is often to me less important than open mindedness.

That isn't to say I'd want to be with someone dumb as a stump, but the willingness to learn from someone else is more important. I know a lot of people who, if given an IQ test would score far lower than me, but the fact would remain that they would have plenty to teach me.

Being a smart cookie doesn't mean shit if you aren't willing to learn. The person teaching it doesn't need to be smarter than you, they only need to know more about a given subject.

 

[graceanne]

Excuse me if i'm a bit off, but i'm just back from the yanks/sox game and had a few drinks....


I've found that intelligence is often to me less important than open mindedness.

That isn't to say I'd want to be with someone dumb as a stump, but the willingness to learn from someone else is more important. I know a lot of people who, if given an IQ test would score far lower than me, but the fact would remain that they would have plenty to teach me.

Being a smart cookie doesn't mean shit if you aren't willing to learn. The person teaching it doesn't need to be smarter than you, they only need to know more about a given subject.

I think common sense has a lot to do with being willing to learn. I avoid a lot of mistakes, by watching other people go through them. Or by being willing to listen to other people, and learn from them. My sister refuses to listen to other people, she has to learn herself.

 

[dolf]

lol...yes, I will never live this down.
I confess...I can't spell!
I used to keep a dictionary on my desk but the ex took it with him!
nor can I play chess or figure out computers or fix the car. I greatly admire those who can write creatively because my writing six I have little capacity for languages, my driving is pretty bad too. my attitude to house work can be summed up in one word..."later"
it's very important to me that I know my limitations, and I freely admit them without blushing
xx

oh...I do learn though and I do it fast

 

[Kajira Callista]

lol...yes, i will never live this down.
i confess...i can't spell!
i used to keep a dictionary on my desk but the ex took it with him!
nor can i play chess or figure out computers or fix the car. i greatly admire those who can write creatively because my writing sux i have little capacity for languages, my driving is pretty bad too. my attitude to house work can be summed up in one word..."later"
it's very important to me that i know my limitations, and i freely admit them without blushing
xx

oh...i do learn though and i do it fast

if you know yours and admit them (which to me means you expect ppl to accept them), why would you slam another or think them stupid for having limitations also?

 

[dolf]

no...not slamming people for their limitations, merely saying that I personally couldn't submit to a man who I didn't see as "better" than me. I don't expect perfection in anyone.

it's interesting that had I said I had a preference for large penis or large muscles I doubt I would have had such heated responses.
perhaps I should try keeping my desires nice and shallow but unfortunately I get turned on by what's between the ears rather than between the legs. you seem a tad judgemental in your condemnation of me for being, well, judgemental and you seem determined to misread my intentions no matter how they are worded. pmt?

I want to feel smaller than Him...physically, emotionally and mentally! I want to feel like I can trust his judgement.
I make no apology for this.

xx

 

[Kajira Callista]

no...not slamming people for thier limitations, merely saying that i personally couldn't submit to a man who i didn't see as "better" than me. i don't expect perfection in anyone.

it's interesting that had i said i had a preference for large penis or large muscles i doubt i would have had such heated responses.
perhaps i should try keeping my desires nice and shallow but unfortunately i get turned on by what's between the ears rather than between the legs. you seem a tad judgemental in your condemnation of me for being, well, judgemental and you seem determined to misread my intentions no matter how they are worded. pmt?

i want to feel smaller than Him...physically, emotionally and mentally! i want to feel like i can trust his judgement.
i make no apology for this.

xx

hmmmmm me judgemental... nope, that comes back to bite ya in the ass too often in life. i do believe all i was attempting to do was ask a question. seems like i was the one misread.

 

[dolf]

ah...humble apologies hon.

well, some of the smartest people I've met have been dyslexic. I consider my 3 year old son to be highly intelligent. I'm not looking for a person who is perfect but I just don't think I could ever submit to someone who I could out think.
"stupid" is an ugly word and one I reserve for the most annoying ex's...who have often spent the entire relationship getting angry at me for knowing longer words and being able to do things they can'tthe resentment usually started with them...

xx

 

[Sir_Winston54]

<snip> and hard-returned to create a list...
i confess...i can't spell!
i used to keep a dictionary on my desk <snip>...
nor can i play chess or
figure out computers or
fix the car.
i greatly admire those who can write creatively because my writing sux
i have little capacity for languages,
my driving is pretty bad too.
my attitude to house work can be summed up in one word..."later"
it's very important to me that i know my limitations, and i freely admit them without blushing
xx

oh...i do learn though and i do it fast

"Know your limitations and admit them?" It appears more that you're proud of them and somewhat defiant about them. I think if you display that attitude as much in person-to-person interaction, I would not find your company amenable - nor would you find me long in your company.

Spelling is not impossible - any decent word processor has spell-check. If one knows one "can't spell," then one should run their posts through a spell-checker. That will catch the majority of the errors (though not usually errors of usage).

Playing chess (not necessarily well, but playing it), "figuring out computers," and driving are learned skills - so an avowedly intelligent person should be able to learn them, if they're not lazy.

Creative writing and capacity for languages are talents, to be nurtured with practice and study. If one doesn't have those gifts, however, they likely have some talent in other areas, which can make up for it.

The "later" attitude toward housework - well, if one doesn't mind living in clutter, mess and unsanitary conditions, it's their own decision. Personally, I don't find a bit of clutter a problem - I'm notoriously cluttered myself - but mess and dirty dishes, etc., will drive me right out the door.

In all, it appears to me that you have a perhaps-unjustified sense of superiority, a fairly strong streak of laziness, and maybe even some of the "entitlement" attitude of many of those on the UK's and US's welfare rolls - "the world owes me, because I'm me."

As far as "learning fast," just what is it that you have learned? From your posts, you describe all the things you can't do, but list nothing positive about yourself, other than that you "learn fast." What skills and talents do you have? EKVITKAR asked you that question a number of posts back, and you never responded...

If this seems judgmental - it is. Your posts in this thread easily lead one to judge you by your own words and expressed thoughts. My judgment is that you have not shown any traits that would incline me to seek you out at a gathering, nor to remain in your company any longer than would be minimally polite.

 

[A Desert Rose]

... Snobbery, elitism, bring on the charges. I call it just wanting to find someone with values like yours.

Like I said... we gravitate to like-minded people.

And again, I have yet to meet a dumb Dom/me here or in real-life. I'm sure they are out there just like dumb bosses and dumb real estate agents... they just don't seem to run in my circle, that's all.

 

[ReadyOne]

I have a theory that the more intelligent you are (quick minded), the greater the variety and depth of your sex life (assuming you have one).

A side effect is that such people are more apt to be found in non-mainstream activities (e.g. BDSM) and thus grace our board.

PS: I skipped 3rd grade, where you learn to spell, and it shows!

 

[dolf]

As far as "learning fast," just what is it that you have learned? From your posts, you describe all the things you can't do, but list nothing positive about yourself, other than that you "learn fast." What skills and talents do you have? EKVITKAR asked you that question a number of posts back, and you never responded...

cluttered yes, unsanitary no.
I have learned to drive, but I'm not as good as I ought to be (perhaps this is just lack of practice). I consider that in "casual" writings spelling is unimportant, though many would disagree.
alas, chess...I know how the moves work but tactics are beyond me. the computer I have had for around 6 months and am utterly frustrated by how slow I'm picking it up (I'm far more intolerant of my own faults than of anyone else's)
I readily admit these limitations because they are so often pointed out to me. I am not gleeful in my failings, merely honest!
I have never considered that the world owes me. one of the things I am good at...well I just passed a course in canine behaviour/psychology with distinction (preparing for the time when I am able to set up business for myself and depend on no one) in fact my score was 100%, which I don't mind saying I'm very proud of. it's not as easy as it might seem as every one of the hundreds of breeds has slightly different temperament, motivation and reactions.
I screwed up much of my earlier life in reaction to specific events, and I worked bloody hard to get over them and find a way of getting my life back on track. I have no intention if sitting around whining about the cards that life has dealt me. my sense of superiority has long since vanished.

I'm creative...I can paint and draw. my poetry is ok, though morbid. I have studied religion and philosophy and can debate these fairly well. I think I've figured out the temperature of a vacuum. I'm good at reading people, in face to face situations at least. I can solve most problems that come down to logic. I make and design some of my clothes and I work without patterns, which is a talent.

I would go on but I've been having a triggery day and need to rest now.
xx

oh..I love Chopin too, and Handel. I used to play violin but I lost the passion for it...
after watching someone hunting pheasants bare handed I once managed to catch one...but felt to guilty to kill it as I was veggie at the time. I can make fire too, and I know my plants and fungi so I guess I could survive if I had to, though I wouldn't want to try it without a good dog with me!

 

[Moonlust]

Sounds like y'all are asking for an essay contest. *cracks whip*

Said simply, I can't be with someone who can't keep up with me (physically, emotionally and intellectually) and isn't willing to try and improve themselves as part of their lives. I don't care how I "come off" or how snobby it sounds.

In my job, being book smart doesn't matter at all. I'm constantly having to prove myself to others who automatically think I'm dumb. Maybe that makes me seek out uber-intellectuals and academics, but...well, lucky them, I spose.

Pehaps that's why I'm alone, in search of brilliance.

 

[Netzach]

I'm going to defend the sentiment of the original post.

When I was bottoming I never found anyone who could really out-think me or someone I could not *emotionally manipulate* into doing what I wanted anyway.

When it comes to emotional manipulation, I'm yo yo ma, you da cello.

So I decided to go with the flow. I find being the Domme much more satisfying and relevant to me anyhow, but maybe had I found someone who really could make me feel dumb and awed I might have stuck with the program.