Joe Biden has Diminished Our Ability To Fight And Win A War

[ChloeTzang]

What wars are the US currently fighting in?

Proxy wars.....

Ukraine would never have happened without Biden
Middle East flare up
Red Sea with the Houthi's
Iraq and Syria
Ongoing confrontation with Iran in the Straits of Hormuz
South China Sea
Sahel (altho we got our ass kicked out recently by Niger of all places)

 

[AlexBailey]

100%, not with China, and we never will be. Our wars are wars of empire, on the periphery. We were only ever in NATO because Europe was part of our empire and Russia was a threat, but note we never fought an active war with Russia. We fought with proxies, as did they. And now Russia is also a side-show, reduced to irrelevance as long as we keep supporting Ukraine. The Ukraine war has already come close to breaking Russia, another couple of years of this and the Russian Federation will disintegrate, leaving a rump European Russia which, without Siberia and the other colonies, will be a 2nd world country, approaching 3rd world.

Siberia will gravitate towards China, Ukraine and the Caucasus towards a Europe which will be far more nationalist, far more right wing, and a renewed military superpower.

As for China, Chinese are smart. They have our money and our industry, and we have actively exported most of our old industrial base to China. They hold what, trillions of our debt? No need for China to fight a war. China is all about force projection into 2nd and third world countries now. Much of Africa are now Chinese satrapies in all but name - China wants the resources and they don't care what the natives do as long as Chinese companies can extract what the want. South America - China is making inroads their. Central Asia? The Belt and Road Initiative, known in China as the One Belt One Road and sometimes referred to as the New Silk Road - a global infrastructure development strategy adopted by the Chinese government in 2013 to invest in more than 150 countries around the world and in the process, bring then under the Chinese umbrella.

Taiwan? They will make noises? They will pressure Taiwan. As long as the USA is there, there won't be an open invasion but if there's any weakness or indecision and an opening, such as the US collapsing financially and our military becoming unaffordable, Taiwan will see the writing on the wall and fold.

Why would they fight the USA? We are fast becoming irrelevant. It'll be asymmetric warfare, where we don't even know we're fighting a war until we've all but lost. Such as in the South China Sea, where China is militarily aggressive, but with smaller countries that they far outclass militarily and can intimidate without actually fighting. Pure Sun Tzu. "Wolf Diplomacy" as the Chinese call it.

Add in that China's industrial capacity outweighs ours in many military aspects, such as cruise missile production, and we could fight a short conventional war, but, as Ukraine is proving, not a long one because we have downsized or scrapped a lot of our military industrial complex. The video clip below shows a Chinese automated cruise missile production line with the capacity to produce the components for 1,000 missiles/day if running 24/7.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/interpreting-chinas-wolf-warrior-diplomacy/

That video is an excellent example of labor reduction and streamlining of manufacturing. It’s not only an economic reality, it’s also a matter of output volume.

We’re going to see droid armies and more capable military drones pumped out of factories like this in a new arms race.

Facial recognition, gait recognition, infrared scanning technology connected to AI driven robotic weaponry will be faster and cheaper than training, housing, feeding standing armies - and droids don’t need to sleep.

Meanwhile employees will be less cost effective across the entire economy.

Our near future will look nothing like the past.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Proxy wars.....

Ukraine would never have happened without Biden
Middle East flare up
Red Sea with the Houthi's
Iraq and Syria
Ongoing confrontation with Iran in the Straits of Hormuz
South China Sea
Sahel (altho we got our ass kicked out recently by Niger of all places)

I agree with you, we are not fighting in any wars.

 

[jomar]

LOL.
Trump = no wars
Biden = well, you've been here the last 3 years LOL

Please feel free to elaborate, correlation is not causation notwithstanding.

 

[AlexBailey]

Biden made a major contribution towards national security through the chips act.

Good thing Trump didn’t get in the way of that like he killed the border security bill.

 

[ll74]

Proxy wars.....

Ukraine would never have happened without Biden
Middle East flare up
Red Sea with the Houthi's
Iraq and Syria
Ongoing confrontation with Iran in the Straits of Hormuz
South China Sea
Sahel (altho we got our ass kicked out recently by Niger of all places)

The Russian invasion would've happened regardless.
Israel and Iran was already escalating along with Palestinian unrest.
Bout his have been a bitch for over a decade
China was already threatening Taiwan

Biden did nothing to exacerbate any of this.

Likely adversaries saw a rift in NATO due to the previous administration bullshit

 

[Chobham]

100%, not with China, and we never will be. Our wars are wars of empire, on the periphery. We were only ever in NATO because Europe was part of our empire and Russia was a threat, but note we never fought an active war with Russia. We fought with proxies, as did they. And now Russia is also a side-show, reduced to irrelevance as long as we keep supporting Ukraine. The Ukraine war has already come close to breaking Russia, another couple of years of this and the Russian Federation will disintegrate, leaving a rump European Russia which, without Siberia and the other colonies, will be a 2nd world country, approaching 3rd world.

Siberia will gravitate towards China, Ukraine and the Caucasus towards a Europe which will be far more nationalist, far more right wing, and a renewed military superpower.

As for China, Chinese are smart. They have our money and our industry, and we have actively exported most of our old industrial base to China. They hold what, trillions of our debt? No need for China to fight a war. China is all about force projection into 2nd and third world countries now. Much of Africa are now Chinese satrapies in all but name - China wants the resources and they don't care what the natives do as long as Chinese companies can extract what the want. South America - China is making inroads their. Central Asia? The Belt and Road Initiative, known in China as the One Belt One Road and sometimes referred to as the New Silk Road - a global infrastructure development strategy adopted by the Chinese government in 2013 to invest in more than 150 countries around the world and in the process, bring then under the Chinese umbrella.

Taiwan? They will make noises? They will pressure Taiwan. As long as the USA is there, there won't be an open invasion but if there's any weakness or indecision and an opening, such as the US collapsing financially and our military becoming unaffordable, Taiwan will see the writing on the wall and fold.

Why would they fight the USA? We are fast becoming irrelevant. It'll be asymmetric warfare, where we don't even know we're fighting a war until we've all but lost. Such as in the South China Sea, where China is militarily aggressive, but with smaller countries that they far outclass militarily and can intimidate without actually fighting. Pure Sun Tzu. "Wolf Diplomacy" as the Chinese call it.

Add in that China's industrial capacity outweighs ours in many military aspects, such as cruise missile production, and we could fight a short conventional war, but, as Ukraine is proving, not a long one because we have downsized or scrapped a lot of our military industrial complex. The video clip below shows a Chinese automated cruise missile production line with the capacity to produce the components for 1,000 missiles/day if running 24/7.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/interpreting-chinas-wolf-warrior-diplomacy/

I agree in part and disagree in part.

The US is more or less withdrawing from the world stage. Our trading partners are going to be the North and South America continents. Mexico has already replaced China as our biggest trading partner. Having an excess of manufacturing capability is rather pointless if no one is buying your shit and that is most certainly a China problem. We may have to deal with Venezuela eventually.

The BS Russia pulled in the Ukraine is their last gasp. Just like China their demographics are collapsing, they just don't have the reserve manpower that China does. Siberia should be Russia's concern, China would love to get their hands on the resources. But Russia can no more fight a land war against the Chinese than we can, the nukes will fly.

China is totally dependent on sea trade to power it's industry, feed it's people, and to ship their products out to the buyers. But they cannot project sea power beyond the first island chain. If they want to get physical a blockade in the Indian Ocean will do the trick. Within six months the lights will start going out and within a year their population will start starving. I don't think the CCP can survive that.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Siberia will gravitate towards China, Ukraine and the Caucasus towards a Europe which will be far more nationalist, far more right wing, and a renewed military superpower.

Been chatting with Richard Spencer, lately?

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

The Russian invasion would've happened regardless.
Israel and Iran was already escalating along with Palestinian unrest.
Bout his have been a bitch for over a decade
China was already threatening Taiwan

Biden did nothing to exacerbate any of this.

Likely adversaries saw a rift in NATO due to the previous administration bullshit

Russia should have integrated with Donbass in 2014, at the same time as Crimea.

Gaza Ghetto Uprising was very likely patronized by Russia as payback against Zionists siding with Zelensky against them. Also, long overdue payback for Mossad supporting ISIS and getting a lot of their troops killed in Syria.

So really you're both wrong, much of this goes back to Obama, Bush II, Clinton, and even Bush I.

 

[ll74]

Russia should have integrated with Donbass in 2014, at the same time as Crimea.

Gaza Ghetto Uprising was very likely patronized by Russia as payback against Zionists siding with Zelensky against them. Also, long overdue payback for Mossad supporting ISIS and getting a lot of their troops killed in Syria.

So really you're both wrong, much of this goes back to Obama, Bush II, Clinton, and even Bush I.

I never claimed it started with any particular President.

Dictators seek to destabilize. Diplomacy and alliances are their enemies

 

[ChloeTzang]

Been chatting with Richard Spencer, lately?

Who's he?

LOL. Okay, I looked him up. No idea what he said about anything tho.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I agree in part and disagree in part.

The US is more or less withdrawing from the world stage. Our trading partners are going to be the North and South America continents. Mexico has already replaced China as our biggest trading partner. Having an excess of manufacturing capability is rather pointless if no one is buying your shit and that is most certainly a China problem. We may have to deal with Venezuela eventually.

The BS Russia pulled in the Ukraine is their last gasp. Just like China their demographics are collapsing, they just don't have the reserve manpower that China does. Siberia should be Russia's concern, China would love to get their hands on the resources. But Russia can no more fight a land war against the Chinese than we can, the nukes will fly.

China is totally dependent on sea trade to power it's industry, feed it's people, and to ship their products out to the buyers. But they cannot project sea power beyond the first island chain. If they want to get physical a blockade in the Indian Ocean will do the trick. Within six months the lights will start going out and within a year their population will start starving. I don't think the CCP can survive that.

Oh yeah, it's way more complex than my short little post. All sorts of nuances there, but yes, the sea trade and oil and mineral resource dependencies are a big thing for China as they expand, hence the emphasis on naval projection and building aircraft carriers. With the US turning inwards, it's likely that China will setp up to the plate and a world with China as the policeman rather than us will be....interesting.

Do we think we'll return to the Monroe Doctrine? Hard to make South America ours the way we did a 100 years ago, esp with China making inroads in South America as well.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Who's he?

LOL. Okay, I looked him up. No idea what he said about anything tho.

Sort of a latter-day Francis Parker Yockey. He basically wants to reconfigure the European Union into some kind of hard-right supernational imperium.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Sort of a latter-day Francis Parker Yockey. He basically wants to reconfigure the European Union into some kind of hard-right supernational imperium.

LOL. He's dreaming. I can see Europe going back to more conservative and nationalist but not hard right.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Been chatting with Richard Spencer, lately?

Richard Spencer is a real piece of work.
Ultra-White Supremacist, supreme misogynist, and very vocal racist.
Says he lives in Montana with the rest of the "Freedom Fighters"
but was found he keeps an apartment in Arlington Virginia...
and is reportedly very active on "seeking Asian females" websites.

Does that remind you of someone here on Literotica?

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Richard Spencer is a real piece of work.
Ultra-White Supremacist, supreme misogynist, and very vocal racist.
Says he lives in Montana with the rest of the "Freedom Fighters"
but was found he keeps an apartment in Arlington Virginia...
and is reportedly very active on "seeking Asian females" websites.

Does that remind you of someone here on Literotica?

He went from Dugan-style Eurasianist to Biden-loving Europhile just because his Russian girlfriend dumped him.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Richard Spencer is a real piece of work.
Ultra-White Supremacist, supreme misogynist, and very vocal racist.
Says he lives in Montana with the rest of the "Freedom Fighters"
but was found he keeps an apartment in Arlington Virginia...
and is reportedly very active on "seeking Asian females" websites.

Does that remind you of someone here on Literotica?

Well, Asian females hey. I certainly can't fault his taste in women, altho it strikes me that a Russian girlfriend is rather like a Black Widow, but then, Mainland Chinese after a green card can also be a bit scary sometimes, and the scams.....those Chinese chicks are often not what they seem, guys. Be careful out there !!!!

I do find the mutual appeal between conservative white guys and Asian females quite fascinating tho. And given my personal marital situation, actually rather entertaining. But nah, doesn't remind me of anyone on Literotica. LOL. You fishing for some intros, Rob? I have a cousin or two looking for a cute white guy, and they're in San Francisco, so a bit more liberal-friendly.

 

[Chobham]

Oh yeah, it's way more complex than my short little post. All sorts of nuances there, but yes, the sea trade and oil and mineral resource dependencies are a big thing for China as they expand, hence the emphasis on naval projection and building aircraft carriers. With the US turning inwards, it's likely that China will setp up to the plate and a world with China as the policeman rather than us will be....interesting.

Do we think we'll return to the Monroe Doctrine? Hard to make South America ours the way we did a 100 years ago, esp with China making inroads in South America as well.

Yeah, they're poking their grubby little fingers into everyone's business but the only way that stuff gets to China is on things that float. The one fairly modern carrier they have is conventionally powered and is basically a training ship for navair operations. It is not a power projection platform.

They have a serious domestic economic problem right now that there's no easy way out of. After all those years of growth and prosperity the CCP is taking it all away while dealing with a collapse of their real estate markets. And their under the table support of Russia is causing the Europeans to start restricting trade.

There's a small island chain in the Indian Ocean called the Nicobars that India is fortifying as an operational Naval base. The islands sit at the entrance to the Straits of Mallaca. India and China are not on the best of terms and India has joined with Australia, Japan, the US and other regional entities in facing down the Chinese.

An example of the problems China faces trying to become a sea power. The US has 3 Sea Wolf class submarines (2 operational with the 3rd returning to service in early 2026), all based on the west coast. The Sea Wolf class is quieter at 20kts then the Los Angeles class is tied up to the dock. Each Sea Wolf carries 50 war shots. How many fleet oilers do the Chinese have?

 

[Politruk]

Ukraine would never have happened without Biden

That is a lie.

 

[ishtat]

It would be in US interests to encourage China to act on their claims of Territory in the far North east. Mao demanded the territory stolen by Russia from China (960,000 square KM in the Amur Basin between 1860 and 1914) within 3 months of his 1949 victory. Every single Chinese leader for 75 years has repeated that claim, one day they will act upon it. Better there than Taiwan.

The Ukraine war has proved to be a sound investment for the USA. US Generals and Admirals love huge complex and expensive machines, but the Ukranians have amply proved that cheap plentiful anti tank and anti ship munitions backed by first class intelligence is a superior investment. Meanwhile armchair Generals like the OP obsess with 'winning' but the best result is not a win but a long never ending festering sore which gradually and with slow certainty will destroy the Russian economy. And of course no Americans are being killed in Ukraine. Probability is that between 1 to 1.5 million will die there but so long as they are not Americans continuation of those losses is sad but a reasonable price.

Any 'peace' or 'deal' imposed on Ukraine will not work. Putin invested in sufficient 'hatred' futures when he attacked Ukraine that the very least he will get for his pains will be Ukranian terrorist movements in Russia for the next 100 years - a bit like a supersized Irish result.

 

[Bray123]

That is a lie.

The defense of Ukraine would never have happened under Trump.

 

[Politruk]

Lose a war with China? No sane American would consider FIGHTING a war with China. Not even if there were no risk of nuclear escalation.