How are we defending somebody crying about "them" being included in a story and having it taken down? There is an entire section of Celebrity Stories out there. Would we not band together and defend them if some Hollywood Agency came along and said they represent all those celebrities and they all had to be removed? What about references to stores or Brand Names? I try to minimize mine but a word search algorithm could go looking for Walmart and find one of my stories, then the company could get it taken down. I obviously don't know what was written but I doubt (or I hope not) that it was vows of physical violence. Or like the person's location. Even if it was a story about the "Troll-ish Commenter" watching his wife cheat on him, enjoying it, it doesn't matter! If those celebrities can't complain than the Internet Celebrity who got their fame by writing shitty comments can't complain. What are they clicking after they hit report? Just the Cry Baby Emoji? I could spin up 10 fake accounts in five minutes, then go on a campaign and clear out Literotica of every story. 10 is not enough? I can make more. I've got a VPN service too. I could have the Top Stories is all the categories I post in by the end of the month. There has to be a check and a balance. Spam, Child Abuse, plagiarism, overly violent content, and posting somebody's location should be the only reasons a story gets pulled down. Otherwise that's a weapon against all of us.
Literotica's double standards
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Grendelpuppy
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You have not seen anything. I decided to respond to my detractors by writing the story: WHO'S THE BITCH THAT GOT BURNED. The cuckolded husband went primeval by committing a mass shooting. The body count would have made James Paddock look like a humanitarian. I utilized the name of my most voiciferous Burn The Bitch critic for the protagonist. The story got taken down after someone figured it out.
KeithD
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No, they couldn't get a mere mention of their name taken down. It would have to be trademarked (which Walmart is), but they could only take your story down if they could prove your mention lost them money. Bottom line. Brand names can be used freely in writing fiction. If they don't like it, they have to sue based on loss-of-income/reputation libel.
Poor comparison. Celebrities and Corporations have much less protection under the law than individuals. Larry Flynt led the charge in that. Individuals have a much lower threshold of libel and slander, although even that really doesn't apply in this situation.
The simple fact is that, unlike a mean comment that can be deleted at the author's discretion, trolling another member in the body of a submission is tacky at best. If they didn't give their permission and report it, the story is going to be pulled and rightly so. It is and would be no different than continuing a story someone wrote as an attempt to troll them.
If I picked one of Cagi's stories that I dislike and did a troll sequel to it sans permission, even if I credited it to them, it would be taken down so fast my head would spin off like a top. I would expect no less if I wrote a troll story about a person named Cagivagurl who, in the storyline, was an author who used the same tropes every single time because IRL the protagonist actually was someone who allowed everyone to walk on them. I wouldn't be writing the story for any other reason other than to get a rise out of them, trolling at the most basic level. Maybe that works in rap beefs, but it breeds animosity and invites escalation. Especially if the one affected is given no recourse to remove it.
The correct decision was made in kicking the story back. This site can be toxic enough without further trolling that can't be removed.
Mordbrand, I don't accept the "celebrity" thing as a poor comparison, maybe 50 years ago (Larry Flynt was the seventies right?) but today? When Twitch Streamers are known better than actors and actresses in award winning movies! Where is the line on "internet famous"? My friend and I were talking about Tom Cruise and his kids, in their teens, had no idea who he was. So we started going down the list of celebrities we thought were really renowned, twenty names and nothing. Then one of the kids mentioned Wynonna Ryder, because of Stranger Things. That was it? When I was a kid I knew who almost all the famous celebrities were. Twitch and TikTok mean more to the next generation(s) than Hollywood does. Internet Famous is how they all dream of becoming famous. So it's very valid.
But I will give you the Toxic Escalation Theory. I've thought about doing what the OP did, I'm pretty darn careful about separating my Literotica Identity from my real life one, but I wouldn't want some butt hurt monster doxing me.
For a minute I sort of understood why they might be triggered by those kinds of stories. I read an article about somebody who got cheated on like in three different relationships and you could imagine how devastating that would be to your trust in the future. How reading a story would bring all that back up again and break your heart all over. But then I realized that we authors aren't baiting and trapping the reader with the stories. They should avoid the LW category and their life would be better. So... I lost that moment.
I wouldn't do it now (This older version of me but a younger version certainly wanted too!) but I've also got like three LW stories that are sitting in my Ready to Edit Folder and probably won't ever see the light of posting because I don't want to deal with that hard work getting 1 starred simply because somebody can't do something else with their time but wait and troll.
But I will give you the Toxic Escalation Theory. I've thought about doing what the OP did, I'm pretty darn careful about separating my Literotica Identity from my real life one, but I wouldn't want some butt hurt monster doxing me.
For a minute I sort of understood why they might be triggered by those kinds of stories. I read an article about somebody who got cheated on like in three different relationships and you could imagine how devastating that would be to your trust in the future. How reading a story would bring all that back up again and break your heart all over. But then I realized that we authors aren't baiting and trapping the reader with the stories. They should avoid the LW category and their life would be better. So... I lost that moment.
I wouldn't do it now (This older version of me but a younger version certainly wanted too!) but I've also got like three LW stories that are sitting in my Ready to Edit Folder and probably won't ever see the light of posting because I don't want to deal with that hard work getting 1 starred simply because somebody can't do something else with their time but wait and troll.
So I assume you put your real loving wife stories - let’s say, swinging/swapping, infidelity, etc., in other categories, right? I’ve been nursing one about a middle aged couple who get into a swingers club; I am figuring it would be better off in “mature” or “group” and avoiding the bullshit. Or maybe just shoot one over the bow and go LW anyway. They can’t kill us all.
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AngelRider
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The miserable entitled assholes are going to do what they are going to do. It's not like the admins will stop it.
If you care about your score then I would post elsewhere. If you want your story read by more people then post in the swamp. Your score will suck at first but it will eventually creep up so long as you are targeting a specific group/kink. If you try to go the OPs route, its a much much longer haul because few people are looking for her kind of stories. Imstillfun wrote mostly sharing/kink/open marriage stories and they are extremely highly rated. It just takes time.
Imstillfun
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Thank you angelrider. I miss all the bad comments. I’m sorry they moderate them now.
I wrote a story once to troll the trollers. Over 300 Comments. Very entertaining. I do have many of the trollers screen names. I look for them.
as far as I can tell these guys are fans. They read my stories from start to finish, they can quote lines from my stories, and then they complain
i know a few of them have had women cheat on them. my belief is that the feeling turned them on and traumatized them. They read my stories to relive that experience and then are mad that it makes the feel the way it does.
loving wives is a very contentious category. I think the readership has dropped because of it. My most recent stories have had much lower readership than my older ones. However my favorites keep going up putting me among the top 20 most favorited authors So I’ll keep writing.
I wrote a story once to troll the trollers. Over 300 Comments. Very entertaining. I do have many of the trollers screen names. I look for them.
as far as I can tell these guys are fans. They read my stories from start to finish, they can quote lines from my stories, and then they complain
i know a few of them have had women cheat on them. my belief is that the feeling turned them on and traumatized them. They read my stories to relive that experience and then are mad that it makes the feel the way it does.
loving wives is a very contentious category. I think the readership has dropped because of it. My most recent stories have had much lower readership than my older ones. However my favorites keep going up putting me among the top 20 most favorited authors So I’ll keep writing.
ElectricBlue
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The comment moderation is for spam and off-site links, not garbage commentary.
The site does run a separate hate content filter which removes offensive comments, and of course authors can delete any comment they want to. But the comment moderation, so far as I can tell, doesn't purge trolling content, since it's aimed at spam control, which is different issue.
AngelRider
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You are welcome love. Your stories aren't my cup of tea but you aren't trying to be anyone other than who you are. You also don't bitch when people don't like your stories. By people I refer to legitimate criticism vs the pathetic cuck chanting crowd.
I swear, every time I see the word cuck on here I immediate imagine some fat fuck sitting in his mother's basement pretending he can't smell his own filth.
Seriously though, I don't discount the notion that some of these people are self loathing because they aroused by the thought of their wives, girlfriends and exes having sex with others. They are akin to homophobic homosexual and/or bisexual men in denial.
Others were likely totally blindsided by betrayal and they simply cannot move past the emotional and psychological trauma they experienced. They are so consumed with wanting to balance the scales that they cannot help but engage with stories about cheating even though they know the story is unlikely to offer catharsis. They haven't reached acceptance. When they do, their activity here drops.
Anyway, I don't generally work with men and women who seek therapy after divorce or cheating. Though I would agree those people are traumatized, I generally work with women and men who suffer from trauma due to abuse, victims of violence, witnesses of violence and men/woman who saw military combat. There are a lot of NGOs and contractors who need help. Some former military simply do not want to use the VA but that's less now.
lc69hunter
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I am with you Cagivagirl. I deferred to the Admins as to where to post my first story. They choose to post it in Essays rather than LW, probably thinking to protect me from the trolls. Some found it anyway, but yes, they can post whatever shit comes out of their mouth, but your only recourse is to delete their posts.
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