Loving Wives is the only place hotwife stories are abused

[pink_silk_glove]

Lit doesn't owe us, authors, anything. I absolutely agree with that one. Your example with the playground isn't a good one, because it neglects to mention that the playground owner earns good money because of those very kids, not from them, but because of them being there. If all the kids abandoned the playground, the playground owner would go broke. It still doesn't mean that the playground owner owes anything to the kids. It does seem strange that he is not willing to communicate and hear them out from time to time. Sometimes, the kids don't ask for monkey bars or anything radical. Sometimes they just ask for a bit of a shade, or a small water faucet so they could drink some water when they get tired.

Huh, this metaphor...

Roll your eyes all you want. It's a perfect metaphor. If I get an idea to provide a free playground to the neighborhood, but then realize that my simple act of giving is going to incur debt of trees and waterfountains later on, then why the hell should I offer my generosity in the first place?

You say on one hand that you agree that lit owes the authors nothing. Then on the other you say that they owe us something (your literary equivalent of shade and a waterfountain, whatever that may be). You can't have both. Do they owe us something or nothing?

Furthermore, your rationale for the site owing us something is that we provide content that adds value to the site for free. Well we agreed to upload for free. All we wanted was a free place to host our work. Then after posting we change our mind and demand that we are owed something? If we feel that we are entitled to something in return beyond free hosting and traffic, like I said before, there are many many other ways to host your work and many of them are not behind paywalls. So then begs the question, why lit?

 

[AchtungNight]

Not sure they are. They sell compilations of Literotica stories, that would definitely count, but beyond that it's not clear to me that the stuff branded as "Literotica sex toys", "Literotica webcams" etc. is actually run by Literotica. Looked to me like most of that was just hosting ads/affiliate links for businesses run by other folk. I could be wrong though.

I’m not sure if this is the case, but I hope Lit will ask me before selling any of my work here. The fanfic is problematic, I know, but the original work might not be as problematic. I would want a small share of the profits if they did sell my work, or at least the chance to formally say- “keep my share, you’ve been good enough to me over the years to earn it.” If anyone knows whether I should worry about that, please let me know thx.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I’m not sure if this is the case, but I hope Lit will ask me before selling any of my work here. The fanfic is problematic, I know, but the original work might not be as problematic. I would want a small share of the profits if they did sell my work, or at least the chance to formally say- “keep my share, you’ve been good enough to me over the years to earn it.” If anyone knows whether I should worry about that, please let me know thx.

Yeah, they're not doing that without authors' permission, and I think the last one was in 2009 so you probably don't need to worry.

 

[AchtungNight]

Yeah, they're not doing that without authors' permission, and I think the last one was in 2009 so you probably don't need to worry.

I was hoping for that sort of courtesy, thx.

 

[Publius68]

Well, the next to last chapter in my latest series posted under Loving Wives (Why? Because I jokingly assigned it that during the draft period and forgot to change it before it posted) Let's just say that the voting results have been... underwhelming. I have never had a score close to that low for more than the first few hours, when I always get a few one-bombs.
I feel it is a pretty damned good entry, myself, and most commenters agree, but I'm just going to have to live with a 3.5- score on my record, I am guessing.
The whole series has scored low, in part, I assume, because the whole thing is pretty Loving Wives in nature, and they do find it regardless how many categories you post it in. One chapter, I agree with commenters has some fairly fundamental flaws, so I don't grumble about its low fours score.
Any way, the monogamy fetishists seem to vote more than they comment, at least in my case.

That said, I truly wish Loving Wives could be salvaged as a category, like the rest of you.

Live and learn!

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

One chapter, I agree with commenters has some fairly fundamental flaws, so I don't grumble about its low fours score.

I'm sorry, just making sure I read that right... did you just say "low fours"? You deem a score of four out of five as low?
Or are you trying to say that it has a score just barely above 4.0?

 

[NoTalentHack]

That said, I truly wish Loving Wives could be salvaged as a category, like the rest of you.

Not trying to be a jerk here, so please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think it needs to be "salvaged." It's just different than it used to be, and that's okay. I can think of three or four other categories you could have posted and done better; that's true of almost all the stories that go in LW, except for the ones that do well there.

 

[Publius68]

I'm sorry, just making sure I read that right... did you just say "low fours"? You deem a score of four out of five as low?
Or are you trying to say that it has a score just barely above 4.0?

I am actually saying both. I write happy-time fluff, and actively seek to be inoffensive. In my experience, that has led to pretty high scores. I do not aspire to high art, folks.
The piece I mention is flawed by my standards, but its inoffensive nature keeps its score above four. Its generally mediocre story-telling is weighing it down in to the low 4._ range, and I'm not sure it deserves even that.
The one I stupidly categorized as LW is some pretty good stuff, in my opinion. And it is languishing at 3.3 or some such, with enough votes to ensure it will never rise much beyond that. Better story, better characters, better sex. Much worse score. It is what it is.

The whole series is a Hotwife/Hothubby story, and I deliberately structured it to make the supporting characters/playmates disposable. People who read me seem to tend to fall in love with my secondary characters, and when I took that away (along with a deliberate experimentation with egregious category switching), the success go the entire series seems to have faltered.

I think perhaps, I should stay in my lane...

 

[JaxRhapsody]

The 1-bombers raid my other stories?
I know, I shouldn’t care. But I do - I admit it

I used to not care either. Now that a have a few red h's, I do and became the very creature here I used to ridicule. I have a lw story I laid out years ago because I set out to write something to intentionally piss'em off... buuut wrote something they might actually like.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I had never considered the differences between lw commentors and the fetish board. Some of the topics in lgbt probably could be exhibit b, as well. But it made me think; technically even though they're linked, the actual site and this one are different sites. So I wonder if any of those commenters use the forum? If they do, do they go in Fetish and ignore that stuff, or possibly would a number of them be hypocrits, like some of these anti lgbt politicians who get caught sucking dick in adult theaters and casually walking from three and four star Hiltons with transwomen?

 

[JaxRhapsody]

First of all: Lit makes Ad money?
I always thought their only income is generated by their adult store and cam site. Your stories are just a way to generate traffic to advertise those two ventures. And, if readers find that the stories they're looking for get banned or buried, those revenue streams will dry up as the traffic goes down.



Sorry, not exactly sure why you would take it that way. My argument was that this is a free site. If you want to please your customers, you'll have to give them something they'll enjoy... or look for another market where the customers look for what you're creating.

Log out and You'll probably see them. We usually only see ads for their other bussinesses. Lits been around long enough it can probably afford to run it's own cam site, but it really isn't but a few years old and could be a partnership. I've never really looked at them to have a better guess at it. The site hasn't logged me out in years either, so I've never really seen non lit ads.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

Log out and You'll probably see them. We usually only see ads for their other bussinesses. Lits been around long enough it can probably afford to run it's own cam site, but it really isn't but a few years old and could be a partnership. I've never really looked at them to have a better guess at it. The site hasn't logged me out in years either, so I've never really seen non lit ads.

Even if I visit the site in private mode with addons disabled (adblocker and such), all I see are banners and ads for the cam site that's hosted under a subdomain of literotica.com. And, if I visit the toy store, there's a big, fat literotica logo at the top, and the stuff doesn't exactly look like dropshipping to me.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Even if I visit the site in private mode with addons disabled (adblocker and such), all I see are banners and ads for the cam site that's hosted under a subdomain of literotica.com. And, if I visit the toy store, there's a big, fat literotica logo at the top, and the stuff doesn't exactly look like dropshipping to me.

Ah. Well it's a good thing I knew I didn't know what I was talking about.

 

[lc69hunter]

Is it, though?

I mean, seriously, Literotica is a buyer's market. You put your stories out there for free and then expect people to appreciate it simply because it's free... that's not how it works. People visit categories with clear expectations of what they'll find and, sadly, that doesn't have to align with what the category description says.

"Don't like it, don't read it" is also not gonna help anyone, since, well, I kinda have to read it to know whether I like it.

So, right now, Lit has two options:

They can humor all of the seven authors who keep complaining about the commenters in LW while actually posting their stories to that category, split it in half, and send the BTB crowd on their way. Or they can indulge the readers, who coincidentally are the only ones Lit makes money off, and let them be while you authors can just post your stories in the fetish category, where everything the LW readers hate is well received.

But back to the original topic.

I'm not entirely sure how the comparison between Lit, a free site with free content, is in any way comparable to the paid market. Of course Cuckolding and hotwife stories get better ratings on paid sites, as it turns out that people don't usually pay for stuff they don't want.

And porn videos? I took a quick trip to PornHub and checked the comments under the first few videos I got after searching for "cuckold". What did I find? A mixture of power fantasies and indifference. Barely anyone comments on the cucking in those videos. They just watch a woman get fucked and comment on how "she can take a proper fucking". Those who do comment on the actual theme are mostly imagining themselves in the position of the Bull, something that is hardly possible here since most cuckolding stories are written from the hotwife's or the cuck's POV.

Go to Amazon Kindle or even Goodreads. The consensual cuckolding/sharing market is very robust with people paying for content.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Mac comes back from fucking Glenn's wife to find Glenn fucking his! It would be funny if wasn't somewhat true. But you'd need to be a fan of 70s country to know what I'm talking about, and I'm not so, umm, grain of salt.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Mac comes back from fucking Glenn's wife to find Glenn fucking his! It would be funny if wasn't somewhat true. But you'd need to be a fan of 70s country to know what I'm talking about, and I'm not so, umm, grain of salt.

That's not what the cuckold/sharing nay-sayers bitch about.

Mac fucking Glenn's wife, while Glenn fucks his is readily found in swinger situations. And THAT earns a 1-bomb.

The robust market for such sharing stories can be found by looking at the account numbers registered on various swinger websites (millions of accounts).

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

Go to Amazon Kindle or even Goodreads. The consensual cuckolding/sharing market is very robust with people paying for content.

Just to make this clear:

My comment about people not paying for stuff they don't want wasn't intended to imply that cuckolding stories wouldn't sell. It was an explanation for why they are so much better rated than on Literotica. On here, these stories are freely accessible to everyone. On Amazon or even Goodreads, I'd have to pay money for every story I'd want to one-bomb.

That would be a whole new level of commitment if people did that.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Just to make this clear:

My comment about people not paying for stuff they don't want wasn't intended to imply that cuckolding stories wouldn't sell. It was an explanation for why they are so much better rated than on Literotica. On here, these stories are freely accessible to everyone. On Amazon or even Goodreads, I'd have to pay money for every story I'd want to one-bomb.

That would be a whole new level of commitment if people did that.

That's why I advise new writers here to keep the ratings and 1-bombs in perspective: They are merely 1 opinion out of over 8 billion people on the planet.

A 1-bomb or even a 5 is worth no more than the tap of a key on their keyboard. And we all put more effort than that into dropping something in a toilet.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I don't think it hurt either one's career. But Glenn was always more popular than Mac, other than with Glenn's wife. Then again, I might be wrong about it being Glenn and Mac. Don't think so.

That's not what the cuckold/sharing nay-sayers bitch about.

Mac fucking Glenn's wife, while Glenn fucks his is readily found in swinger situations. And THAT earns a 1-bomb.

The robust market for such sharing stories can be found by looking at the account numbers registered on various swinger websites (millions of accounts).

Anyone who knows which two country stars basically exchanged wives, please set me straight...


Edit update, Mac wasn't fucking Glenn's wife, but Glenn not only fucked Mac's, he married her.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

There's a big black cock in her mouth today
It's the same old prick as yesterday
There's a white man feeling worth less than a gumdrop
There's a flagpole dick fucking her, and they won't stop
He stood there before inside the pouring shame
With the world turning circles running 'round his brain
He’s always hoping that she'll end this reign
But it's his destiny to be the king of pain
There's a big black cock in her cunt today
It's the same old fucking as yesterday
There's a black man sleeping in her golden bed
There's a white husband worried about his homestead
King of pain
There's a white-winged cuck with a broken ball-sack
Who’s destined to be the king of pain
King of pain

 

[impotenthub_N_milf]

The 1-bombers raid my other stories?
I know, I shouldn’t care. But I do - I admit it

That's very sad. Because i'm sure there are many who would love to see you write some slutwife/cuck stories (with feet and humiliation).

 

[pink_silk_glove]

But my over all point is, its not the hotwife/cuck/cheating genre that's a universal issue. Its a popular and enjoyable kink everywhere else(because the men there are actual men and not woman disparaging babies) but there. Culture is something that is shaped over time and often by whoever is in charge; the head of a business, a coach, a teacher etc who sets a tone others follow.

I honestly think that this culture was inadvertently nurtured by the terrible euphemism used to name the category. If they had named the category HW/C&C (Hotwife/Cuckold/Cheating) the the political flaming and voting phenomenon would not be nearly so large. Think about it: Loving Wives. Some bitter man who got screwed in a divorce sees that category name, looks in and finds a bunch of cheating and cuckold stories? And the communities that form in each category over time suggest that cheating is just an acceptable kinky norm of a loving wife? The extreme irony of that just taunts the angry bear.

Now of course after 20 years of cheating cucking 'loving' wives, the category has festered into what it is today - to the point where the culture has been so nurtured that even renaming/splitting the category would take years to quell the vitriol and spite.

Which begs the question: why the FUCK did they choose 'Loving Wives' as a name for the category?? As far as I can tell literotica is the only place on earth where you can find the term 'loving wives' at least in this context. They didn't name Romance 'Sweet Fluffy HEA'. They didn't name Gay Male 'Twinks 'n Such'. They didn't name Anal 'Back Door Entry'. They named all of those categories precisely what they are. But Loving Wives? Why tiptoe with such a vague euphemism? All that it did was create the ambiguity to nurture those camps that exist there solely for spiteful and hateful justice. Just call it what it is: Hotwife/Cuckold/Cheating. Of course after 20 years nurturing hateful culture, would also necessitate splitting the category into Hotwife/Sharing and Cuckold/Cheating.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I agree with you 100%, but hard to put the genie back in the bottle. I get that she's spreading the love around, but it should have cuckolding or some other name to indicate cheating.

I honestly think that this culture was inadvertently nurtured by the terrible euphemism used to name the category. If they had named the category HW/C&C (Hotwife/Cuckold/Cheating) the the political flaming and voting phenomenon would not be nearly so large. Think about it: Loving Wives. Some bitter man who got screwed in a divorce sees that category name, looks in and finds a bunch of cheating and cuckold stories? And the communities that form in each category over time suggest that cheating is just an acceptable kinky norm of a loving wife? The extreme irony of that just taunts the angry bear.

Now of course after 20 years of cheating cucking 'loving' wives, the category has festered into what it is today - to the point where the culture has been so nurtured that even renaming/splitting the category would take years to quell the vitriol and spite.

Which begs the question: why the FUCK did they choose 'Loving Wives' as a name for the category?? As far as I can tell literotica is the only place on earth where you can find the term 'loving wives' at least in this context. They didn't name Romance 'Sweet Fluffy HEA'. They didn't name Gay Male 'Twinks 'n Such'. They didn't name Anal 'Back Door Entry'. They named all of those categories precisely what they are. But Loving Wives? Why tiptoe with such a vague euphemism? All that it did was create the ambiguity to nurture those camps that exist there solely for spiteful and hateful justice. Just call it what it is: Hotwife/Cuckold/Cheating. Of course after 20 years nurturing hateful culture, would also necessitate splitting the category into Hotwife/Sharing and Cuckold/Cheating.

 

[lovecraft68]

I honestly think that this culture was inadvertently nurtured by the terrible euphemism used to name the category. If they had named the category HW/C&C (Hotwife/Cuckold/Cheating) the the political flaming and voting phenomenon would not be nearly so large. Think about it: Loving Wives. Some bitter man who got screwed in a divorce sees that category name, looks in and finds a bunch of cheating and cuckold stories? And the communities that form in each category over time suggest that cheating is just an acceptable kinky norm of a loving wife? The extreme irony of that just taunts the angry bear.

Now of course after 20 years of cheating cucking 'loving' wives, the category has festered into what it is today - to the point where the culture has been so nurtured that even renaming/splitting the category would take years to quell the vitriol and spite.

Which begs the question: why the FUCK did they choose 'Loving Wives' as a name for the category?? As far as I can tell literotica is the only place on earth where you can find the term 'loving wives' at least in this context. They didn't name Romance 'Sweet Fluffy HEA'. They didn't name Gay Male 'Twinks 'n Such'. They didn't name Anal 'Back Door Entry'. They named all of those categories precisely what they are. But Loving Wives? Why tiptoe with such a vague euphemism? All that it did was create the ambiguity to nurture those camps that exist there solely for spiteful and hateful justice. Just call it what it is: Hotwife/Cuckold/Cheating. Of course after 20 years nurturing hateful culture, would also necessitate splitting the category into Hotwife/Sharing and Cuckold/Cheating.

This is an argument that I'm getting tired of seeing.

The category has always been named Loving Wives, whether the readers find that appropriate or not, it has been this from day one, and if readers still think they're going to find romantic stories of loyal wives who abide by the 1950's hand book, they should really know better by now...If you touch a hot stove repeatedly, who's fault is it after the first burn?

And let's say for a moment, the category was about loving couples...what is the niche/hook/kink here? They'd just be in romance or EC.

Now, at one point I thought the slug was 'tales of adventurous wives" which has now become...

Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more

None of that says monogamy. Every one of those tags says the wife is having sex with more than just the husband. So all these fruit loops screaming about what's in the category are the ones in the wrong. This is no different then someone telling me I'm an asshole for writing an incest story in incest.

And more is vague, but it leaves the door open for the cuck stories which are the most polarizing, especially because there are sub genres within the genre, and the thing is if you don't like those stories, do not read them.

But what that crowd wants is to try and dictate to the site what should and shouldn't be allowed in the category, and last I looked only two people own this site, and its none of them. This site is not adding a Hot wife category, and they aren't changing the name. I wish they would so I could point out the same assholes would be trolling there every day with a different excuse.

The issue is not category name, the issue is not the content. The issue is an ever growing element of disgusting incels and woman haters who bring their impotent ass to a free site that allows anon comments. Free is all they can afford, and anon is the only way they're brave enough to sling their hate. This is not the fault of the site, the category name, the authors, or the non cloven hooved readers over there

Its the lowest common denominator of male reader.

Proof its not the category name, is these idiots are everywhere. I've got a slew of comments on a Halloween story squealing that the prophecy dictated the brother to be a virgin, but the sister(older) didn't have to be so she would know how to seduce him when the time came. The kid had it bad for his sister, gets her, and in the end has a threesome with her and his mother and these jackals are stuck on the idea that its some kind of 'feminism" that it wasn't the sister that's the virgin.

They literally are stuck in 1950.

The change this site should make is banning BTB stories(well within their rights as they are glorified violence and not erotic in anyway) and nuking the trolls repeatedly until they give up. This is a platform, and LW a category. Both are only as good or bad as the people who use it, and a large percentage of LW users are slugs that think they dictate what FICTIONAL women are allowed to do. And also demonize the FICTIONAL husbands for allowing it and the other lovers for banging another man's FICTIONAL wife. They then attack the author for writing it, and other readers who comment favorably. Their goal is to drive people off to make it 'theirs' and sad to say they have had some success as more people are putting stories in fetish...and its a matter of time before they invade over there in force.

And to go back to my original post, this happens nowhere except here.

 

[NoTalentHack]

The change this site should make is banning BTB stories(well within their rights as they are glorified violence and not erotic in anyway)

Our of curiosity, what would your criteria be for a BTB? Is it only violence? That seems to be your criteria here, but in the past, you’ve complained about… basically any kind of repercussions for infidelity. You’ve complained about the offending spouse being left destitute, or shamed, or pretty much anything negative, at least if it’s a woman. You seem to have no problem with men suffering, so is that still on the table? Can a BTB be allowed if it’s burning the husband (bastard) instead of the wife?

Is violence against men allowed? Forced cuckolding? That would seem to
imply either violence or blackmail, if so. If you would allow that, is forced cuckqueaning allowed? I would guess not, based on your other stances, but I thought I should ask.

Would BTBs be allowed in non-erotic? It sounds like you want them boot from the site entirely, so I’d guess no. Should all violence be removed from the site, while you’re at it? I’m pretty certain we could find violence in some of your stories if we looked, or at least the threat of violence. Should the threat of violence be removed? Where would that leave the “guy/girl shows up and kicks a bad guy’s ass, then they and the love interest go off together” stories?

There’s always going to be a line drawn somewhere. As you said, there are two people that own the site, and neither of them is involved in this discussion. Beyond that, they’ve clearly spoken with every story they’ve approved that you don’t like. It’s their site. Like it or lump it.