'Man'imal- Where to draw the line?

[Adakgirl]

Bestiality has been around a long long long time. I feel that it is not BDSM. Yes, it is a kink, and yes there are people in this lifestyle who happen to have that particular kink. But so do horny farm boys and vanilla people who live and work far away from any possible human sexual partners.
BDSM is Bondage/Discipline/Sadism/Masochism ,and also Dominance/submission. Does having sex with an animal, fall under BDSM? No. Does it fall under the category Dominance/submission? No, because in this lifestyle submission must be given of ones own free will, with consent and an understanding of what the resulting consequences of that consent may be.
Does the human Dominate the animal, yes, is the animals submission forced? Is it done without the animal's consent? I think, yes it is. Animals do not have an understanding of consent, silent or not.
I am not judging people who have this kink. I do not see it as having anything to do with BDSM and I do not see it as D/s either.

 

[twysted73]

Bestiality has been around a long long long time. I feel that it is not BDSM. Yes, it is a kink, and yes there are people in this lifestyle who happen to have that particular kink. But so do horny farm boys and vanilla people who live and work far away from any possible human sexual partners.
BDSM is Bondage/Discipline/Sadism/Masochism ,and also Dominance/submission. Does having sex with an animal, fall under BDSM? No. Does it fall under the category Dominance/submission? No, because in this lifestyle submission must be given of ones own free will, with consent and an understanding of what the resulting consequences of that consent may be.
Does the human Dominate the animal, yes, is the animals submission forced? Is it done without the animal's consent? I think, yes it is. Animals do not have an understanding of consent, silent or not.
I am not judging people who have this kink. I do not see it as having anything to do with BDSM and I do not see it as D/s either.

Agreed!

Just because it's deviant from the norm doesn't mean we need to go about tarnishing the respectful, otherwise good name of BDSM by including it.
A kink unto itself.

 

[FurryFury]

If I were to ever engage in bestiality, something that I admit intrigues me, it would be at the directive of a Dom who I trust. Therefore it would fall under the BDSM umbrella. That's the only way I can imagine actually doing anything in this area.

 

[madetotakeit]

If I were to ever engage in bestiality, something that I admit intrigues me, it would be at the directive of a Dom who I trust. Therefore it would fall under the BDSM umbrella. That's the only way I can imagine actually doing anything in this area.

Yeah, there would have to be some serious D/s involved, feed on the humiliation, the control, etc. I have a dog and he has never crossed my mind in that way...the idea causes a major squick reaction actually.

 

[SirLeo]

Apes Do Kill Indiscriminately

an·i·mal /ˈænəməl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-uh-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli:
2. any such living thing other than a human being.
3. a mammal, as opposed to a fish, bird, etc.
4. the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of human beings; animality: "the animal in every person."
5. an inhuman person; brutish or beastlike person: "She married an animal."

Alright, there's the definition of an "animal", compliments of the folks over at dictionary.com.

What defines a human as opposed to an animal? Control? A higher level of brain function?
Sexual preferences and ability to perceive and understand the outcome and consequences of our actions?

Alright.

Only a single number of chromosomes seperate us from apes, a card-holding member of the animal kingdom.
Apes have yet to be observed slaughtering one another indescriminatly, en-mass, for religous idealism, or monetary/personal gain excluding survivability needs. (much less for a pair of shoes or an iPod)

Apes and dolphins have been proven to have sex for the enjoyment of it and not for the procreative necessity and then pull together as a unit to care for the offspring of such copulations.
Yet there are human children born daily (as a result of, most often then not, recreational sex) that cannot be cared for or provided for by those who created them. Sometimes being abandoned or worse.

We have such a superior view of ourselves as a species because we speak, have opposable thumbs and can create some really interesting things.
But then I come home at night and watch the news.

Don't mean to be a depressing element. But let's face it, they're better at parenting and core care of one another then a LOT of those we call human.

Mostly all good points. However, many apes (male and female) do kill rivals, other offspring, beat and humilate other apes just to establish dominance. Maybe humans are jsut more complex and have created more complex ways to exert our infleunce over others. Or maybe within humans there are subspecies differentiated more by some spiritual level than a phsical one whereby some choose to help others (altruistically) and others are stuck in place where they need to dominate and control (not in a BDSM way) resources and society. Maybe the next levelof evolution is spiritual not physical. Just musing, taking a break from work.

 

[twysted73]

If I were to ever engage in bestiality, something that I admit intrigues me, it would be at the directive of a Dom who I trust. Therefore it would fall under the BDSM umbrella. That's the only way I can imagine actually doing anything in this area.

There IS that.
If guided as such, where the benefits derive from the humiliation aspects, the control, the acceptance...
Alright. I'm done flipping.
It's a hot thought if placed into that context.

'nuff said.

 

[FurryFury]

A fantasy with this in it that I liked was:

Night Prowler by Paddymellon

http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/stories/chapter.php?storyid=334&chapterid=2256

It isn't until chapter 6-c that it gets to the beastly party but it's all good for me. It's also a nice long story. Of course, I want more.

 

[midwestyankee]

I suppose this is the wrong thread to discuss my recently recurring dream that involves vivisection of a gorilla, wouldn't it?

 

[be_ignited]

I suppose this is the wrong thread to discuss my recently recurring dream that involves vivisection of a gorilla, wouldn't it?

I think Freud would have a field day with that.

 

[midwestyankee]

I think Freud would have a field day with that.

Truth be told, Freud could have had a field day with a postage stamp.

 

[YourCaptor]

Truth be told, Freud could have had a field day with a postage stamp.

Nice, I got to remember that one

 

[Ganyeka]

Question, what makes you think you are normal, what makes you so special as to be a correct human being?

Your question bears no relevance to the quote of mine it was attached to. Nontheless - "normal" is relative I suppose, but lets think of it as someone who displays the LEAST "abnormal" behaviour. Normal behaviour being something that is widespread, common, usual and generally well accepted by society generally according to prevailing standards. I know, it's rubbery, but it's the best we can do really. Abnormal behaviour then is behaviour that doesn't fit that definition. Work with me - I'm making this up as I go along a bit. Abnormal behaviour then would be behaviour that is sufficiently deviant from generally accepted standards to not be considered normal.

This is then a description that will change over time as societies standards change. There is a lot of grey areas here, but as with all things, issues at extremities are more clear cut. Murder is pretty clear cut. I would suggest that Pedophilia, beastiality and incest are not considered normal. People who get very imaginative with faeces and other bodily wastes including vomitus are moving along a line leading to "Normal", in that they are least now out of the "generally illegal and taboo" spectrum but still in the "extremely unusual and very uncommon" category and therefore not "Normal". (Ie it is not normal, or usual, to commonly find people engaging in this Scat Play or whatever it's called, and most people would be repulsed and/or sickened by it. Lets face it, we are pretty much conditioned from birth to detest our poo and wee, which has good solid hygeine, health and survival drivers at work as well).

Now think about BDSM and D/s. There is such a wide range of practises in this "category" that it is arguable this starts where Scat finishes (for the more extreme practises as I understand them, being no bloody expert at all) and ranges right up to very light stuff like the smack on the bottom the local non-Catholic Priest might administer to his naughty wife when they're getting frisky.

Then we have "kinky stuff" which might be normal, but maybe still not common - such as swinging, threesomes, group sex, wife swapping, different mild fetishes like toes, cross-dressing maybe (it's getting a bit out there perhaps because of what is often associated with it in the area of gender identification issues etc)

So, from a sexual point of view I suppose I would categorise myself, trying to be objective, as pretty normal. I don't even get into a lot of the kinky stuff, although that is where a substantial part of my fantasy life resides. That probably makes me pretty "normal" as well.

Anyway, I think that makes me normal in the sense relevant to this thread. Oh, I am not a murderer, I don't fantasis about it, I am not a pyromanic, a sociopath, a theif, a drug addict or pusher and I am not a criminal of any description, so I don't exhibit that type of deviation either.

As for what "makes you so special as to be a correct human being" - well, I never claimed to be special because I am a correct human being. And I doubt I am even able to be described as that. I have oodles of faults. I AM special though. I must be. Either that or extremely lucky. I have the love of a wonderful woman in my wife. My children love me etc. I think EVERYONE is special in some way, that wasn't really my point. I think you know that and your post was just a dig at me for being uppity or something, but I have done my best to explain my position for you. Hope it's helpful.

 

[twysted73]

Are we still on this?

I keep coming in hoping to find another avenue.

Gattica, move on man.

*drags tin cup along cell bars*

 

[FurryFury]

Are we still on this?

I keep coming in hoping to find another avenue.

Gattica, move on man.

*drags tin cup along cell bars*

Dude, look at my post above, juicy story link included!

 

[intothewoods]

Are we still on this?

I keep coming in hoping to find another avenue.

Gattica, move on man.

*drags tin cup along cell bars*

I'm over it too.

 

[twysted73]

Dude, look at my post above, juicy story link included!

***Lookin'****

 

[Ganyeka]

OK. Beastiality is different to BDSM unless the Dom has made the sub do it with the animal in which case it is both BDSM A N D Beastiality and you're DEFINITELY going to hell! ;-)

 

[00Syd]

Are we still on this?

I keep coming in hoping to find another avenue.

Gattica, move on man.

*drags tin cup along cell bars*

Seconded. Over it.

 

[FurryFury]

OK. Beastiality is different to BDSM unless the Dom has made the sub do it with the animal in which case it is both BDSM A N D Beastiality and you're DEFINITELY going to hell! ;-)

True dat. Fifth layer for me!

Woo hoo!

 

[Homburg]

All the really fun people will be in hell anyway.

 

[twysted73]

Dude, look at my post above, juicy story link included!

...................................niiiiice furry. VERY nice. *gnashes teeth a bit*

 

[FurryFury]

...................................niiiiice furry. VERY nice. *gnashes teeth a bit*

Glad you enjoyed it! It's always been one of my favs!

 

[FurryFury]

All the really fun people will be in hell anyway.

Like I hear there is no sex in heaven, just like, um, music and clouds and angels and lots of houses and shit?

I'm going for hell man!

Woo hoo!

 

[YourCaptor]

Like I hear there is no sex in heaven, just like, um, music and clouds and angels and lots of houses and shit?

I'm going for hell man!

Woo hoo!

Hmm

Gears are turning

and you know, the thought of raping and angel is really turning me on.

Would that be bestiality?

 

[FurryFury]

Hmm

Gears are turning

and you know, the thought of raping and angel is really turning me on.

Would that be bestiality?

In my book we are all animals . . .

BTW, according to the church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/) there are strippers and a beer volcano in both heaven and hell. Of course in hell, the strippers have VD and the beer has gone flat . . .

(No offense intended to any strippers. I know you aren't all prostitutes.)
(No offense intended to any prostitutes. I think you're cool.)

In any case I can be happy just about anywhere.