'Man'imal- Where to draw the line?

[Netzach]

It's a human concept but it's also a 'Higher Reasoning" concept. Hence the 'age of consent' laws. Very young children could give vocal consent to have intercourse with an older person but that doesn't make it right. Informed higher brain functioning choices are what separates good, sane sex from the squick.

I hardly think that animals understand the nature of the risks involved. I mean if you're branded a killer stallion you're going to be shot, even if you did kill some chick who was doing weird things to your bits. A lot of the same people touting this as fine would be the last ones to say that animals being killed for our sport or put down for being animal-like is wrong, but this just opens the likelihood up in a less direct manner. The animal doesn't really get to say to itself "wow, one night with Hank is worth the possibility that I might have to be put down tomorrow, yessir!"

I'm sure when the couple fucking the dog tire of its neurotic ways and dump it onto the Humane Society it's not going to make a good pet for someone else. The more I think about this the more it disgusts me, frankly, it's a perfect example of how we use animals while fetishizing them for their goodness and naturalness, it's total projection of whatever we wish we were.

 

[satindesire]

Thank you, that's a good way of putting part of what was percolating in my head. I think true consent is such a complex thing.

Again, I'm not so concerned with legalities, or policing people, but I do also feel part of being in a community is voicing your opinion, even when it's to say, I think this is wrong.

I believe there was one previous post that quoted a bible verse. One thing I have to say about that is, God made a lot of rules for us that to this modern day might not seem like they 'fit' into our society, but some do. Informed consent by way of not having sex with your children and with your animals is one of the rules He laid down for us that I thought was super smart...among others.

I didn't even know bestiality existed until I read the Bible throughly...I was maybe 14 when I started my Christian journey. That book's got some crazy stories innit, lemme tell ya.

In any case, I don't mean to hijack this thread but waiting 6-7 years before harvesting fruit off a tree? That's one of the rules he set down for us, and a lot of agriculturalists say that a tree doesn't start producing the BEST most nutritious fruit until some trees are 6 to 7 years old.

Mold infects a home, a piece of clothing or a jar/vase? You repair it and wash it, but if you can't get it out, you destroy it and scatter the pieces away from the village. Now we know these days that mold is dangerous and can make people really sick.

Okay, that's freaking smart. End of hijack and back on topic.

All the bible talk aside, I agree with you. A lot of people might be afraid to speak up about what they feel is right because as an 'alternative lifestyle' we are under a microscope somewhat more than the normal vanilla person(s) would be. We all act, in some way, as spokespeople for the BDSM community, and to disagree or argue amongst ourselves doesn't always look good.

But then again, intelligent, informed and polite debate just proves that we are all just as civilized as the rest of the world, doesn't i? ^_^

 

[satindesire]

I hardly think that animals understand the nature of the risks involved. I mean if you're branded a killer stallion you're going to be shot, even if you did kill some chick who was doing weird things to your bits. A lot of the same people touting this as fine would be the last ones to say that animals being killed for our sport or put down for being animal-like is wrong, but this just opens the likelihood up in a less direct manner. The animal doesn't really get to say to itself "wow, one night with Hank is worth the possibility that I might have to be put down tomorrow, yessir!"

On that same vein, do children know the risks of having sex with adults? Hell, I know some adults who don't know the risks of having sex with adults.

Understanding the nature and consequences of sex and sexuality is not something all people own. However, in a general sense, it is deemed somewhat necessary in order for the act of sex or sexuality to be acceptable in a widespread societal way.

 

[ltnsfr007]

On that same vein, do children know the risks of having sex with adults? Hell, I know some adults who don't know the risks of having sex with adults.

Understanding the nature and consequences of sex and sexuality is not something all people own. However, in a general sense, it is deemed somewhat necessary in order for the act of sex or sexuality to be acceptable in a widespread societal way.

Tell them about your doggie Satin

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[satindesire]

Tell them about your doggie Satin

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o232/ltnsfr/sugarlips.jpg

Huh?

I think you're a troll who did not even BOTHER to read my previous posts where I made it pretty darn clear I think bestiality is wrong. Go fuck yourself. *blows kiss*

 

[ltnsfr007]

Huh?

I think you're a troll who did not even BOTHER to read my previous posts where I made it pretty darn clear I think bestiality is wrong. Go fuck yourself. *blows kiss*

LMAO

 

[madetotakeit]

Freedom of speech IMHO is not about projecting your thoughts on others. It is not about attack or hurting another human being. Freedom of speech is a right and with it comes responsibility. We are held accountable for our words and actions. Freedom of speech should never be an excuse. It is a weighty responsibility, a great thing in many cases, and it is too often abused. On this forum the vast majority of people claim their opinions as their own and respect those of others, even if they differ vastly. Judging someone and saying 'you should think the way I do' eeks of insecurity and closemindedness. Open dialogue and progress would not happen if people did not have the ability to rationalize and consider various avenues of thought. And we humans are an ever-changing tapestry, a work-in-progress. The freedom-of-speech excuse does not hold water IMHO because to me with the right to say what you think comes with inherent responsibility to respect others and their right to do the same. Sadly many will disagree but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it...

Very well said.

...I'm not going to blame someone for what turns them on. I'm not going to demonize someone who is attracted by something that I think is gross. In my opinion, THAT is what's immature.

Excellent example of the type of mentality that allows for the progression of discussions. Part of the reason why I'm on this board. I don't want to just hear the words of people who agree with my thoughts. I look at both sides of a topic before I form my own if it is something that I'm unfamiliar with and consider opposing opinions on those that I am. I'm less inclined to give any weight to posts that resort to attacks on those who feel differently than the poster no matter which side of the issue I am on. Civility is of the higher functioning mind.

Your photo is fine. It's more "you" I think then the black and white photo.

Thank you for saying so. I think it is more "me" too. I liked the other one, but I just felt like showing a softer side. Hence the av and pic changes.

 

[PatchIsMe]

What kind of turn did this thread take ? When it first started out it was great. People were actually being decent and sharing their opinions, not attacking other posters. Now it has turned to rambling . Shameful.

 

[tanijaana]

There's just no way I can consider sex with a non-human animal anything but disgusting on a very deep instinctual level. This is one of only three practices that I find completely intolerable.

 

[FurryFury]

Hell I considered sex with just about everything, corning wear, Popsicles and yes, animals (which humans are, btw.) I consider it. I just rarely do it.

*le sigh*

 

[YourCaptor]

It looks like we are all mostly divided by either thinking that animals are dirt, or thinking that animals are neighbors.

I hardly think that animals understand the nature of the risks involved. I mean if you're branded a killer stallion you're going to be shot, even if you did kill some chick who was doing weird things to your bits. A lot of the same people touting this as fine would be the last ones to say that animals being killed for our sport or put down for being animal-like is wrong, but this just opens the likelihood up in a less direct manner. The animal doesn't really get to say to itself "wow, one night with Hank is worth the possibility that I might have to be put down tomorrow, yessir!"

I'm sure when the couple fucking the dog tire of its neurotic ways and dump it onto the Humane Society it's not going to make a good pet for someone else. The more I think about this the more it disgusts me, frankly, it's a perfect example of how we use animals while fetishizing them for their goodness and naturalness, it's total projection of whatever we wish we were.

The things you describe would fall under abuse. These are all things that should not be done to pets. I blame those who treat animals as dirt and get pets anyway for whatever reason.

Why is it legally easier to own a pet, or have a child, then it is to drive.

The world is mad.

 

[satindesire]

It looks like we are all mostly divided by either thinking that animals are dirt, or thinking that animals are neighbors.



The things you describe would fall under abuse. These are all things that should not be done to pets. I blame those who treat animals as dirt and get pets anyway for whatever reason.

Why is it legally easier to own a pet, or have a child, then it is to drive.

The world is mad.

(I still think you should have to apply for a license to have kids.)

 

[SirLeo]

Nice Tits!

(I still think you should have to apply for a license to have kids.)

Time to take a break from all the drama with a compliment! If your avatar is you then you have really nice tits and thanks for sharing!

 

[satindesire]

Time to take a break from all the drama with a compliment! If your avatar is you then you have really nice tits and thanks for sharing!

*snortlaugh*

Thanks.

 

[SirLeo]

You are Welcome!
Another thought. I am intrigued that this thread seems to have generated more response by orders of magnitude than most other threads do. While I find this intriguing, it is not nearly as intriguing as say looking a t nice tits, or hearing great stories about subs giving great oral service...

Still from a cultural anthropologic perspective, I wonder why the subject of beastiality provokes such a guttural emotional response? *eyes scroll up to to look at really nice tits*

 

[satindesire]

You are Welcome!
Another thought. I am intrigued that this thread seems to have generated more response by orders of magnitude than most other threads do. While I find this intriguing, it is not nearly as intriguing as say looking a t nice tits, or hearing great stories about subs giving great oral service...

Still from a cultural anthropologic perspective, I wonder why the subject of beastiality provokes such a guttural emotional response? *eyes scroll up to to look at really nice tits*

I think it evokes in us the same kind of heavily emotional response that anything that goes against our moral fiber can illicit. Say, child molestation or rape, or cruel and vicious beating or killing of innocent animals. Those are a few things MOST people do not agree should be done.

Human beings have the most amazing ingrained moral fiber, beyond what is taught to us by any Judeo-Christian faith (And I say this as a faithful Christian). Many MANY people have an inner sense of right and wrong, and to wrong their fellow human is to harm them. Many people feel compassion and sympathy for other people or animals, even total strangers. Hence the intense reaction.

Our ability to love our fellow man and care for the animals on this planet is what defines us as a species. Out all all the weird and wonderful creatures on this green earth, we're the only ones who can truly hurt or help the environment that surrounds us.

 

[YourCaptor]

I think it evokes in us the same kind of heavily emotional response that anything that goes against our moral fiber can illicit. Say, child molestation or rape, or cruel and vicious beating or killing of innocent animals. Those are a few things MOST people do not agree should be done.

Human beings have the most amazing ingrained moral fiber, beyond what is taught to us by any Judeo-Christian faith (And I say this as a faithful Christian). Many MANY people have an inner sense of right and wrong, and to wrong their fellow human is to harm them. Many people feel compassion and sympathy for other people or animals, even total strangers. Hence the intense reaction.

Our ability to love our fellow man and care for the animals on this planet is what defines us as a species. Out all all the weird and wonderful creatures on this green earth, we're the only ones who can truly hurt or help the environment that surrounds us.

Natural Law

However under that philosophy animals have no logic, and therefore no rites, hence we don’t put them on trial. According to natural law you could do whatever you want to an animal because the second you deal with an animal the state of nature returns and anything goes.

 

[twysted73]

Why post this? Because I like to stir...

an·i·mal /ˈænəməl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-uh-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli:
2. any such living thing other than a human being.
3. a mammal, as opposed to a fish, bird, etc.
4. the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of human beings; animality: "the animal in every person."
5. an inhuman person; brutish or beastlike person: "She married an animal."

Alright, there's the definition of an "animal", compliments of the folks over at dictionary.com.

What defines a human as opposed to an animal? Control? A higher level of brain function?
Sexual preferences and ability to perceive and understand the outcome and consequences of our actions?

Alright.

Only a single number of chromosomes seperate us from apes, a card-holding member of the animal kingdom.
Apes have yet to be observed slaughtering one another indescriminatly, en-mass, for religous idealism, or monetary/personal gain excluding survivability needs. (much less for a pair of shoes or an iPod)

Apes and dolphins have been proven to have sex for the enjoyment of it and not for the procreative necessity and then pull together as a unit to care for the offspring of such copulations.
Yet there are human children born daily (as a result of, most often then not, recreational sex) that cannot be cared for or provided for by those who created them. Sometimes being abandoned or worse.

We have such a superior view of ourselves as a species because we speak, have opposable thumbs and can create some really interesting things.
But then I come home at night and watch the news.

Don't mean to be a depressing element. But let's face it, they're better at parenting and core care of one another then a LOT of those we call human.

 

[twysted73]

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[00Syd]

Yes, we've gone over this, we know that apes, some monkeys, dolphins, and yes, some birds, are super smart, yes, they may even be better then us in some respects.

That still has absolutely nothing to do with my reasons for opposing bestiality. Maybe it should, but I'm a brutish heathen so I have a hard time empathizing with farm animals.

 

[twysted73]

Yes, we've gone over this, we know that apes, some monkeys, dolphins, and yes, some birds, are super smart, yes, they may even be better then us in some respects.

That still has absolutely nothing to do with my reasons for opposing bestiality. Maybe it should, but I'm a brutish heathen so I have a hard time empathizing with farm animals.

Oh, I can't play cards with 'em either.
No worries.
It's quite a conflicting thought tho, neh? I mean, it's as arrousing as it is enciteful of shame and self-doubt as a result of said passing interest.

I really do think that, for most, it boils down to "You can't have that so now you want it" mentality.

I can't imagine anyone feeling they would truly wish to marry a horse or date a doberman if they had an appealing human alternative unless their psychological wiring wasn't exactly installed correctly.

For most, I feel it's more of a passing interest or fascination because it's taboo. And as with almost anything, time and other experiences rob it of it's attraction.

 

[Netzach]

Alright.

Only a single number of chromosomes seperate us from apes, a card-holding member of the animal kingdom.
Apes have yet to be observed slaughtering one another indescriminatly, en-mass, for religous idealism, or monetary/personal gain excluding survivability needs. (much less for a pair of shoes or an iPod)

Actually chimps have been known to kill others and even cannibalize their victim for reasons none of the researchers were able to fathom. The seeming randomness quite shocking to those watching. The body count is probably way lower than equivalent numbers of humans living in an extended family, but the impulse is there.

 

[twysted73]

Actually chimps have been known to kill others and even cannibalize their victim for reasons none of the researchers were able to fathom. The seeming randomness quite shocking to those watching. The body count is probably way lower than equivalent numbers of humans living in an extended family, but the impulse is there.

I was hoping my addition of "en-mass" would cover that factoid but I agree it is greusome.
Wasn't there a chimp-mauling of a former handler in the news within the last 2 years?
Tore his testicles right off his body.

 

[Netzach]

I was hoping my addition of "en-mass" would cover that factoid but I agree it is greusome.
Wasn't there a chimp-mauling of a former handler in the news within the last 2 years?
Tore his testicles right off his body.

Yeah, they can be violent, but that actually makes more sense from a chimp standpoint than killing each other.

 

[EmpressFi]

Here you go Twysted.. see if you can find these people..

A woman and her husband describe their sexual escapades with their horse