Manson Family Killer Asks For "Compassion"

[Guest]

Crikey, you're exactly right.

Keep her in.

My previous post only applies in the case of one who is not notorious and so has no Oprah potential.

Crikey?

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Crikey?

It's Sunday.

 

[Guest]

It's Sunday.

Ah, yes.

 

[Pure]

hhmm

there seem to be a couple merciful folks here.

the rest want revenge/retribution. at the time, i suppose cutting off her tits and poking out her eyes is the way to go; have her beset by wild dogs, after. sound good?

 

[where]

I'm totally opposed to the death penalty, but I do think that Life means Life. Leave her there.

 

[Guest]

there seem to be a couple merciful folks here.

the rest want revenge/retribution. at the time, i suppose cutting off her tits and poking out her eyes is the way to go; have her beset by wild dogs, after. sound good?

Oh, don't be rude.

She did horrible things, was part of a group who did horrible things.

But the bottom line is, does she deserve special treatment over other life-term inmates (who also happen to be terminally ill)?

No.

 

[john-the-author]

Honestly I think she should stay in the prison hospital for the remainder of her time. Mercy is making sure she's comfortable in the end to the degree that serving her sentence will allow. That is more mercy than she showed.

Not to mention is she really safe outside of the prison? I swear I remember hearing my brothers talking all hush hush about newspapers saying there had been a large amount of death threats sent to the manson family.

I have heard--though it could easily be urban legend--that Roman Polanski has what amounts to a standing contract on Charles Manson; I wouldn't be surprised if the story extended to some of the others.

 

[R. Richard]

What message would freeing the woman send?

"If you kill someone and then get really sick, you'll be let go."

 

[only_more_so]

There are primarily three reasons to send someone to prison.

1. To punish the person convicted of a crime. In this case, the punishment that was mandated was that she remain in prison for the rest of her life (commuted from execution, which meant the rest of her life, just on the clock).

2. To rehabilitate the criminal. Once upon a time, prisons were called "Correctional Facilities" and the goal was to change the criminal so that they would behave onc released. This term has fallen out of favor since recividism rates are so high. Anyway, in this case a person has to wonder if she has reformed? Taken another way, has she been rendered harmless? The next of kin seems to think that's not the case, and for someone who committed such atrocious acts, I would err on the side of caution.

3. To serve as a deterrant to others. Some people say prison isn't a deterrant. But I say an unenforced law is a bad law, it undermines the legal system. If the police, judges, etc, can pick which laws to believe in, then why can't normal citizens? Part of enforcing a law is enforcing the sentance. So by releasing her early, they would undermine the deterrant value of her sentance.

 

[Pure]

sarah

But the bottom line is, does she deserve special treatment over other life-term inmates (who also happen to be terminally ill)?

no, sarah, my friend, that was never the issue. [see post #19, above.]

 

[Boxlicker101]

Al Capone was paroled [from federal custody at Alcatraz] on compassionate grounds when he began to succumb to siphilitic dementia. He was NOT however serving a death sentence commuted to life withthe possibility of parole.

Box, I thought it was the US Supreme Court that overturned the death penalty and Gov. Brown who commuted the sentences rather than retry them under the new guidlelines.

No, it was the state court. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

However, they were influenced by the federal SC. I was mistaken in saying it was the Rose Bird Court. She was foisted on the people of CA a few years later.

Al Capone was convicted of income tax evasion, hardly comparable to the Manson massacres. Whatever else he may have done is a moot point, because he was never convicted of anything else. I hope we can still respect "innocent until proven guilty."

Pure, I believe in having the punishment fit the crime. The whole bunch should have been put to death but, since the court did not respect the will of the people, they were not. At least, keep them locked up until they are dead and stinking, so they wan't do any more of the same kind of thing. I have no sympathy for Manson or Atkins or Krenwinkle or any of that bunch of monsters, and I never will have.

 

[Boxlicker101]

there seem to be a couple merciful folks here.

the rest want revenge/retribution. at the time, i suppose cutting off her tits and poking out her eyes is the way to go; have her beset by wild dogs, after. sound good?

She's dying of brain cancer, not breast cancer.

 

[Guest]

But the bottom line is, does she deserve special treatment over other life-term inmates (who also happen to be terminally ill)?

no, sarah, my friend, that was never the issue. [see post #19, above.]

That's the post I was referencing, actually, I just phrased my response stupidly.

In Starrkers post she said that this situation comes up often and out of the 73 inmates last year in California who petitioned, 10 were actually granted the right to die at home rather than in prison.

What I was trying to say was that Atkins should not receive special treatment over the others in her same situation because of the seriousness of her crime.

She should stay in jail.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That's the post I was referencing, actually, I just phrased my response stupidly.

In Starrkers post she said that this situation comes up often and out of the 73 inmates last year in California who petitioned, 10 were actually granted the right to die at home rather than in prison.

What I was trying to say was that Atkins should not receive special treatment over the others in her same situation because of the seriousness of her crime.

She should stay in jail.

Agreed. I don't know what the others were convicted of, but it's pretty much a certainty that their crimes were not as heinous as those of Atkins and her pals. Keep the bitch in prison until she dies.

 

[cloudy]

I despair for humans, sometimes.

For those of you who are Christian, what ever happened to "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord."?

Most of you have more compassion for a dog than you do your fellow humans. She's dying. Isn't that enough for you?

 

[rgraham666]

To a lot of people she isn't human, cloudy.

As Shang once wrote to me, "So much easier to believe evil only comes from monsters."

 

[cloudy]

To a lot of people she isn't human, cloudy.

As Shang once wrote to me, "So much easier to believe evil only comes from monsters."

Very true.

And for those eager to tell me what she did, don't bother. I lived less than ten miles from where it happened, at the time that it happened. I know.

 

[Guest]

Damn.

What do you mean though, cloudy? You think she should be set free?

 

[cloudy]

Damn.

What do you mean though, cloudy? You think she should be set free?

I don't know, honestly.

But those howling for her blood disgust me worse than anything she's ever done. (not you)

eta: I've studied pyschology extensively. There was some psycho-pathology going on in her case. For the howlers, what is your excuse?

 

[S-Des]

there seem to be a couple merciful folks here.

I see, if they agree with you, they are merciful. That's mighty convenient.

 

[Guest]

I see, if they agree with you, they are merciful. That's mighty convenient.

Aaaaaahhhhh! My eyes!!!

Your hair!!!!! Have mercy!!!!

Um, sorry.

What were you saying?

 

[S-Des]

Aaaaaahhhhh! My eyes!!!

Your hair!!!!! Have mercy!!!!

Um, sorry.

What were you saying?

Jealous?

 

[Guest]

Jealous?

I really like it.

It brings out your eyes.

 

[Guest]

Very true.

And for those eager to tell me what she did, don't bother. I lived less than ten miles from where it happened, at the time that it happened. I know.

I made the mistake of reading it. The only mercy I am willing to extend her is her death penalty back.

Maharat

 

[cloudy]

I made the mistake of reading it. The only mercy I am willing to extend her is her death penalty back.

Maharat

Such compassion.