Manson Family Killer Asks For "Compassion"

Should Atkin's be allowed to go free on "Compassionate grounds"?

  • She was an inhuman killer who showed no mercy. She deserves no mercy.

    Votes: 37 74.0%
  • Uncertain/No opinion.

    Votes: 6 12.0%
  • We are not inhuman killers. We should show mercy.

    Votes: 7 14.0%

  • Total voters
    50
Update.


Parole panel denies early release for Manson follower Susan Atkins

Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press

By Hector Becerra and Andrew Blankstein, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
July 16, 2008

SACRAMENTO -- -- A state parole panel today unanimously denied "compassionate release" for terminally-ill Manson follower Susan Atkins after hearing emotional testimony both for and against her release.

The 12-member State Board of Parole Hearing, as is customary, did not release any explanation for its decision.

Atkins, 60, played a central role in the 1969 slayings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and others in a bloody two-night rampage in the Los Angeles area. She has served 37 years in prison, longer than any other female prisoner, officials said.

Now ill with brain cancer and with one leg amputated and the other paralyzed, Atkins has only months to live, doctors have said.

The petition for Atkins' release had ignited debate about when mercy is appropriate, particularly considering the grisly crimes for which she was convicted. With the rejection by the panel, the process is effectively over, making it highly likely that she will die in custody.

Those backing her release argued unsuccessfully that the cost of keeping Atkins in prison, which is estimated at $1.4 million for medical care and security just since March, should be a factor in favor of releasing her because it would save the state substantial amounts of money.

At the hearing today, Atkins supporters spoke first to the 12-member State Board of Parole Hearing.

"She has without a doubt, she has paid her debt to society," said her niece Sharisse Atkins, 17. "You see her as a part of the Manson family I see her as a part of our family. I hope you can find it in your heart to do the right thing."

Her supporters drew attention at the hearing to former Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi's support for Atkins release. In an e-mail this week to Atkins' attorney, Bugliosi wrote that it was wrong to say "just because Susan Atkins showed no mercy to her victims, we therefore are duty-bound to follow her inhumanity and show no mercy to her."

Opponents of Atkins' release disagreed. They spoke today of their memories of learning of the murders and the effects of the killings on their families.

Tate, the wife of film director Roman Polanski, was 8 1/2 months pregnant when she and four others were killed at her hilltop home in Benedict Canyon. The actress, who was stabbed to death, had begged Atkins for her for her life.

"She asked me to let her baby live," Atkins told parole officials in 1993. "I told her I didn't have mercy for her."

At today's hearing, Pam Turner, Tate's cousin, sobbed, recalling being a child "so sick with grief that I wished I too could die."

Turner said she remembers the actress' mother "howling like a wounded animal" after hearing the news of the murders.

"My aunt's pain was palpable. She once put her hands on my pregnant belly and she cried," said Turner, alluding to the fact Tate had begged for the life of her unborn child. "She didn't say what she was crying about, but I knew."

Anthony DiMaria, whose uncle, Jay Sebring, was killed at the Tate's home, brought up news reports that Atkins' husband had called it "ridiculous" to spend so much money guarding his wife, who cannot even sit up in bed.

"To sum up these murders in terms of cost efficiency trivializes the victims' lives, and the lifelong impact on the victims' families," DiMaria said.

"There's discussion of dying with dignity.... the notion of dying with dignity is not determined by circumstance, but determined by choice," he told the panel. "Mrs. Atkins should die with dignity while serving out her sentence. My uncle died with dignity in the worst possible situation."

In addition to the testimony today, the board received about 100 letters, most opposing her release.

Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Steve Cooley was among those opposing the release, saying Atkins' "horrific crimes alone warrant a denial of her request."

Suzan Hubbard, director of California's adult prisons, had previously expressed her opposition.

Orange County Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas also wrote the director of the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation saying Atkins should remain behind bars and away from Orange County, where her husband lives.

The hearing today before the state Board of Parole Hearings is the third in a four-step process that allows inmates to seek compassionate release.

She cleared the initial steps when officials at her prison in Chino found that her case met the criteria for compassionate release review, a determination seconded by officials at corrections headquarters in Sacramento.

In addition to testimony, the board received information including Atkins' medical records, recommendations from state corrections officials and her criminal history as well as information related to her behavior while in prison and an assessment of whether her release would pose a risk to the public.

Even if the panel had decided to recommend compassionate release, Atkins would have awaited a final determination by a Los Angeles Superior Court judge.
 
I have no problem with her staying in jail until she dies. She did something horrible and now she has to pay for it.
 
and eye for an eye.

Oh, now, that's not true.

She just won't be allowed out of jail on parole, even though she has a terminal illness. She'll receive quality medical care (at huge expense to the state) until the tumor kills her. I'm sure her family will be able to visit her.

An eye for an eye would be a far different ending.
 
I can't imagine why it should cost so much to let her fade away.

I speak from experience. It shouldn't.

Other than the medicine - huge amounts of morphine, anti-depressants, ant-convulsants- I don't understand why. She'll spend the last part of this flat on her back. She will require constant care with feeding, bathing, diapers, that sort. Then again she has the added complications of diabetes.

But so much money. Something about security, perhaps?
 
I speak from experience. It shouldn't.

Other than the medicine - huge amounts of morphine, anti-depressants, ant-convulsants- I don't understand why. She'll spend the last part of this flat on her back. She will require constant care with feeding, bathing, diapers, that sort. Then again she has the added complications of diabetes.

But so much money. Something about security, perhaps?

Sometimes it irks me to know that someone like her gets all this medical assistance, and while she is in prison, she is far more comfortable than some single moms I know who are struggling on the street.

This is probably just a social commentary, but it seems that we take better care of our convicts than we do the people in our communities.

Breaks my heart.

And with that, I'm off to work. Luv y'all. Play nice! :D
 
I speak from experience. It shouldn't.

Other than the medicine - huge amounts of morphine, anti-depressants, ant-convulsants- I don't understand why. She'll spend the last part of this flat on her back. She will require constant care with feeding, bathing, diapers, that sort. Then again she has the added complications of diabetes.

But so much money. Something about security, perhaps?

Those backing her release argued unsuccessfully that the cost of keeping Atkins in prison, which is estimated at $1.4 million for medical care and security just since March

I figure her people inflated the amount because $1.4 mil since March is ludicrous. Unless they meant from March 1902.
 
I figure her people inflated the amount because $1.4 mil since March is ludicrous. Unless they meant from March 1902.

She'll eventually need one-on-one nursing care, but not now. Now she's still talking, and though missing one limb, still fairly ambulatory.

March 1902, indeed.

:)
 
I dont know the details of Atkins' medical problems, but I suspect the board's decision is pragmatic and actually compassionate when you contemplate the red tape and delays Atkins could expect as a civilian without active Medicaid and a civilian treatment program. She'd be lucky if the prison sent the medical records before she dies.

Plus her family would sue if treatment was delayed for a minute.

1.4 MILLION is likely accurate. Prisoners get good medical care, much better than Medicaid civilians.
 
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I figure her people inflated the amount because $1.4 mil since March is ludicrous. Unless they meant from March 1902.
$1.4M since March is only $350,000 a month; a fairly typical amount for in-patient care in CA. :p

Seriously, the cost figure is probably is inflated, but not all that much. As I said earlier in the thread, it's probably more "compassionate" to maintain her care at state expense than to kick her ass out on the street where she (or her family) has to pay for her final care out of pocket.
 
Oh, now, that's not true.

She just won't be allowed out of jail on parole, even though she has a terminal illness. She'll receive quality medical care (at huge expense to the state) until the tumor kills her. I'm sure her family will be able to visit her.

An eye for an eye would be a far different ending.
That's the truth.
 
I say we should show the bitch the same mercy she showed to others, no more and no less. Especially no more. The whole crowd should have gone to the gas chamber decades ago. The vehicle that removes them from prison should be a garbage truck, because that's what they are. Failing that, a hearse. :mad:

exactly how i feel
 
It makes no difference. It's been more than 40 years. Think about it, 70% of the people living today never heard of either her or the Krenwinkle woman. All the people under 25 think Manson's first name is Marilyn and wrongly worship him.

Personally, I think she's harmless.

I resent your implication.
 
I say we should show the bitch the same mercy she showed to others, no more and no less. Especially no more. The whole crowd should have gone to the gas chamber decades ago. The vehicle that removes them from prison should be a garbage truck, because that's what they are. Failing that, a hearse. :mad:
Why punish a hearse or a garbage truck like that? Where's your sense of compassion? :mad:
 
Sometimes it irks me to know that someone like her gets all this medical assistance, and while she is in prison, she is far more comfortable than some single moms I know who are struggling on the street.

This is probably just a social commentary, but it seems that we take better care of our convicts than we do the people in our communities.
Uhmmm, how come no one had anything to say about this?
 
A prison hospital is as close to death row as she will get. Let her last months be spent in a dark and lonely place remembering why in her darkest hour why people refused to feel sorry for her. I doubt anyone would make as big a deal of this if she was a man.

They say she was a model prisoner? Come on that means she followed the rules like you're supposed to do. I didn't read anything about remorse either for that matter.

Bottomline is she escaped the death sentence so as far as I'm concern she got one break already. She should do as much of her jail time as she can.
 
I'll make his short and sweet. I'm glad she's staying in there. Why should she be shown mercy for not doing the same in her own life. No one MADE her commit any of the acts she did. She choose her path now let her sit and suffer

To cloudy - One i'm not a Christian. I am a pagan and firmly believe int he rule of three. She stole the life of a woman and her unborn child. Brain cancer and a leg amputation are nothing compared to that. And IF she were my own blood family I would tell her straight to her face and any prison offical. she needs to say where she is.

She doesn't even deserve the care she's getting but since she's the responsibility of the stae she will get it. Le her family visit her in the medical wing like they have been. Nothing she has done or could ever do will make up for what she has done except to die.
 
$1.4M since March is only $350,000 a month; a fairly typical amount for in-patient care in CA. :p

Seriously, the cost figure is probably is inflated, but not all that much. As I said earlier in the thread, it's probably more "compassionate" to maintain her care at state expense than to kick her ass out on the street where she (or her family) has to pay for her final care out of pocket.

The figure is an estimate, and probably on the high end. The main thing is that it is a fully amortised figure. The marginal expense of feeding her and keeping her alive with minimal pain is no more than a few hundred. :( Personally, I don't think she's worth that much.

The guards and the medical personnel get paid the same whether she's there or not. Once she dies, hopefully soon and painfully, the state is not going to be saving $350,000 per month.
 
The figure is an estimate, and probably on the high end. ....

My comment about the amount was mostly a tongue-in-cheek jab at the inflated cost of health care -- especially in-patient healthcare.

My point was that it's an amount that somebody has to cover for her final days and not dumping that expense on her family (or her family's insurance co.) is the more "compassionate" course.
 
I consider myself primarily Democratic by nature and experience, but that doesn’t mean I’m liberal enough to have any pity for people who perpetrate unprovoked and unjustifiable violent crimes. The whole lot of them, including Manson, should’ve been put down like the rabid dogs they are years ago. They’re nothing more than a waste of rapidly dwindling resources.

The only reason, IMNSHO, to keep someone who can never be reintroduced into society alive is if we can learn something from him or her through psychiatric study with the goal of future prevention. If there’s nothing to be learned from them, or they refuse to cooperate with the research, I say relieve an already over-burdened penal system and society of them in a very human, but permanent fashion.

I honestly don’t get how people can think locking someone in a eight by ten (if they’re lucky) cell with another person with the constant threat of various forms of physical assault hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives is the humane option.

That’s my ten cents. <-- accounting for inflation :D
 
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