Need Help with publishing my new story. My story got rejected citing AI usage.

[StillStunned]

Have you ever heard this expression? "If you meet an arsehole in the morning, you met an arsehole. If you meet arseholes all day, you're the arsehole."

 

[Plathfan]

The Persians celebrate the solstice with Yalda Night. The name Yalda is derived from the Aramaic word leda, meaning birth—the birth of the sun.

Following Alexander's conquests, Zoroastrian traditions intertwined with Greek influences, which may explain why, in the early centuries AD, Jesus was depicted in frescoes as the sun god, crowned with rays of light. Traces of this imagery endure in the halos that adorn saints to this day.

The holidays of light hold a deeper meaning when their origins are understood—when the light of knowledge dispels ignorance.

Despite its pagan roots, the Islamic Republic officially recognized Yalda as a national holiday in 2008.

OP, this is a season of miracles, and I believe one will soon find its way to you.

 

[NoTalentHack]

We have no idea how the site does its screening, but something works - judging by the significant drop in the number of, "My story has been rejected for AI" threads we've seen over the last six months.

Threads like this one were constant a year ago, now they're occasional. That doesn't help this person, but it either means : a) the volume of actual AI story submissions has dropped (which I tend to doubt); or b) the site has found something that acts as a filter (which might still be imperfect).

Or, alternately, the number of writers who wanted to publish here was always relatively small, and the AI "detection" discouraged new writers wanting to come onboard. I tested some of my early stuff against several detectors, and they flagged huge chunks of it. If I'd first tried to publish here after the AI detection stuff rolled out and got told "you didn't write this?" I probably wouldn't have bothered to revise and try to get it through, at least not more than once.

Once the folks who've been grandfathered in are gone, I wonder how many new writers the site will see, and all because of a technology even the heavy hitters in the space have given up on?

 

[AwkwardlySet]

We have no idea how the site does its screening, but something works - judging by the significant drop in the number of, "My story has been rejected for AI" threads we've seen over the last six months.

Threads like this one were constant a year ago, now they're occasional. That doesn't help this person, but it either means : a) the volume of actual AI story submissions has dropped (which I tend to doubt); or b) the site has found something that acts as a filter (which might still be imperfect).

Judging by the amount of AI junk you see all over the place, the site had to do something. It's done something, clearly, even if we don't know what.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

The Persians celebrate the solstice with Yalda Night. The name Yalda is derived from the Aramaic word leda, meaning birth—the birth of the sun.

Following Alexander's conquests, Zoroastrian traditions intertwined with Greek influences, which may explain why, in the early centuries AD, Jesus was depicted in frescoes as the sun god, crowned with rays of light. Traces of this imagery endure in the halos that adorn saints to this day.

The holidays of light hold a deeper meaning when their origins are understood—when the light of knowledge dispels ignorance.

Despite its pagan roots, the Islamic Republic officially recognized Yalda as a national holiday in 2008.

OP, this is a season of miracles, and I believe one will soon find its way to you.

Could you do a treatise on Christmas? It's around the corner.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Presumably it is, from the site's perspective. And to be fair, I've been reading complaints about other story sites being swamped by floods of AI-generated drivel. Whether it's to keep standards on Lit higher, or because of the potential IP issues, Lit is doing a good job of holding back that flood.

Of course I understand that's no comfort to anyone caught in the middle. Still, is asking people to evolve their style any worse than telling them to rework a story to comply with the 18+ rule or the NC rule? Some people might argue that their vision for a story is more important than the style it's written in.

When any technology catches on, it's difficult to stop it from being adopted. AI writing (and pictures) have a dystopian feel to them. Have any science fiction writers imagined the implications of a society where AI dominates everything?

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

When any technology catches on, it's difficult to stop it from being adopted. AI writing (and pictures) have a dystopian feel to them. Have any science fiction writers imagined the implications of a society where AI dominates everything?

It's an interesting paradox that I use AI to create images because I can't do it myself, but I'm reticent to accept AI writing stories. I'm guessing to my artist friends, AI art is just as bad as AI writing is to me, yet I(in my uneducated eye) kind of like some AI art.

I do see the difference by the way. I love Monet and own several custom oil on canvas paintings a friend of mine did. AI art could never touch these original works. I just find it interesting that my acceptance is on an inverse curve with my ability where AI is concerned.

 

[AwkwardMD]

It's an interesting paradox that I use AI to create images because I can't do it myself, but I'm reticent to accept AI writing stories. I'm guessing to my artist friends, AI art is just as bad as AI writing is to me, yet I(in my uneducated eye) kind of like some AI art.

I do see the difference by the way. I love Monet and own several custom oil on canvas paintings a friend of mine did. AI art could never touch these original works. I just find it interesting that my acceptance is on an inverse curve with my ability where AI is concerned.

Pay graphical artists.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Pay graphical artists.

Trust me, my friend was paid very well for his art, and I'm looking for a graphic artist to do the cover for my Romance Novel.
I just caught myself in a paradoxical contradiction and was interested to see if others foudn the asme to be true about themselves.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

It's an interesting paradox that I use AI to create images because I can't do it myself, but I'm reticent to accept AI writing stories. I'm guessing to my artist friends, AI art is just as bad as AI writing is to me, yet I(in my uneducated eye) kind of like some AI art.

I suppose that many of your artist friends would likewise see nothing wrong with using AI for writing stories, ones they are presumably unable to write themselves. We are all biased in favor of our own niches. The flood of AI-generated content of all sorts will only get stronger and stronger. Human nature and all that.

 

[alohadave]

Have any science fiction writers imagined the implications of a society where AI dominates everything?

More than a few have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream among many others.

 

[alohadave]

I suppose that many of your artist friends would likewise see nothing wrong with using AI for writing stories, ones they are presumably unable to write themselves. We are all biased in favor of our own niches. The flood of AI-generated content of all sorts will only get stronger and stronger. Human nature and all that.

There was a story a couple years ago about a musician that was complaining about copyright infringement on their music, but it turned out that they had used someone's image for their album cover without permission.

They didn't see the problem with using the image.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Trust me, my friend was paid very well for his art, and I'm looking for a graphic artist to do the cover for my Romance Novel.
I just caught myself in a paradoxical contradiction and was interested to see if others foudn the asme to be true about themselves.

I think we all, as humans, naturally understand this kind of threat to our sandbox before we understand how it impacts other neighboring sandboxes. I definitely did the same.

Good for you, and good for your friend as well.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again, I want AI to dust, vacuum, do the dishes, mow the lawn, make the beds, do the laundry, and give me more time to write.

 

[AlexBailey]

I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again, I want AI to dust, vacuum, do the dishes, mow the lawn, make the beds, do the laundry, and give me more time to write.

It will able to, not long from now.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

There was a story a couple years ago about a musician that was complaining about copyright infringement on their music, but it turned out that they had used someone's image for their album cover without permission.

They didn't see the problem with using the image.

A great example of how biased we all are. I remember my shock and headshaking when I first heard a decent song created by AI in 30 seconds or so. I believe that both musicians and visual artists have it worse than writers.

 

[AlexBailey]

The AI writing paradox:

On one hand, AI is being requested to identify AI writing with 100% surety.

On the other hand, AI is being requested to write in a way that is indistinguishable from human writing.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

The AI writing paradox:

On one hand, AI is being requested to identify AI writing with 100% surety.

On the other hand, AI is being requested to write in a way that is indistinguishable from human writing.

Just like the same companies that make radar detectors probably make the radar guns the police use.

 

[Plathfan]

I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again, I want AI to dust, vacuum, do the dishes, mow the lawn, make the beds, do the laundry, and give me more time to write.

Soon

 

[Britva415]

alternately, the number of writers who wanted to publish here was always relatively small, and the AI "detection" discouraged new writers wanting to come onboard

I doubt they’re aware of this matter before they try to come onboard. This doesn’t seem to me like a plausible explanation for why fewer of them are reporting getting rejected for suspected AI use.

 

[Britva415]

More than a few have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream among many others.

Terminator, The Matrix, Tron, etc etc etc

Granted, those involved script writers, not prose writers

 

[AlexBailey]

I doubt they’re aware of this matter before they try to come onboard. This doesn’t seem to me like a plausible explanation for why fewer of them are reporting getting rejected for suspected AI use.

I’ve got a feeling that some of the recent reduction in new authors reporting AI rejection problems is due to how easy it is to find existing threads about it.

 

[Britva415]

I’ve got a feeling that some of the recent reduction in new authors reporting AI rejection problems is due to how easy it is to find existing threads about it.

Could be, but, again, I doubt they even look before submitting stories.

Afterward?

What we used to see was, people getting rejected and coming to various different parts of the forum and starting new threads like they were the first ever.

So even when they do use the forum, they weren’t benefiting from existing conversations before, why would we presume they would now.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I doubt they’re aware of this matter before they try to come onboard. This doesn’t seem to me like a plausible explanation for why fewer of them are reporting getting rejected for suspected AI use.

I’m not saying that. I’m saying they try to publish, maybe re-publish, then decide it’s not worth the effort to continue, I.e., they either don’t know about or choose not to post to AH to complain, especially since the folks that do find AH can read that the answer to “how do I get my story through” might as well be like shaking a magic eight ball.

 

[Britva415]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying they try to publish, maybe re-publish, then decide it’s not worth the effort to continue, I.e., they either don’t know about or choose not to post to AH to complain, especially since the folks that do find AH can read that the answer to “how do I get my story through” might as well be like shaking a magic eight ball.

I was reacting to the idea that the reason we’re seeing fewer new authors talking about this in the forums is because there are fewer new authors even trying to get published, because other people’s AI rejections have deterred them.

I have no doubt, because we’ve seen several say so, that their own AI rejections are deterring them from continuing.

And I tend to agree that to ke he most plausible explanation for why we’re seeing less of that than we used to is, it’s happening less than it used to, not because we aren’t getting new authors at the rate we were before (I expect that is unchanged), but because the false-positive rate is probably improving.

Of course I have no data, I’m just saying this is what seems most plausible to me.