New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani

[JohnEngelman]

your way of looking at groups you don't belong to is quite frankly extremely weird. Most people are not going to approach the matter the way you do.

I am not ethnocentric. I have always been interested in other cultures.

 

[YDB95]

I am not ethnocentric. I have always been interested in other cultures.

Not the point. At all.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

Sadly most Hamas supporters in the west are progressives.

whats the non political meaning of progressives

 

[SkyBubble]

While that's a good idea in theory, the implementation was more than a little bit racist.

According to you. The policy greatly reduced crime and made minority neighborhoods people like you claim to care about safer.

 

[YDB95]

According to you. The policy greatly reduced crime

Running the undesireables out of town is not the same as actually putting an end to crime. Mostly Giuliani just fobbed the problem off on others.

and made minority neighborhoods people like you claim to care about safer.

Not safer from the cops.

 

[Lazaran]

While that's a good idea in theory, the implementation was more than a little bit racist. The Broken Windows Policy was enforced a lot more harshly in poor minority neighborhoods. And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

Like I always say, one of the very few silver linings of Trump's pathetic romp on the national stage is that it stripped Guiliani of his "America's Mayor" sheen and everyone saw the truth behind the mask for a change.

^ The institutional racism of poverty and majority white people in positions of authority (law enforcement).

See also: The broken taillight phenomenon associated with poverty that resulted in disproportionately more black and brown individuals being pulled over and cited / arrested / shot by police.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[YDB95]

See also: The broken taillight phenomenon associated with poverty that resulted in disproportionately more black and brown individuals being pulled over and cited / arrested / shot by police.

I rather suspect SkyBubble doesn't see that as a bad thing at all.

 

[Lazaran]

I rather suspect SkyBubble doesn't see that as a bad thing at all.

I suspect you’re correct…

 

[SkyBubble]

Running the undesireables out of town is not the same as actually putting an end to crime. Mostly Giuliani just fobbed the problem off on others.

Not safer from the cops.

You're wrong. Crime went down significantly. (The city was also cleaner.) Those neighborhoods were safer and yes, they were "safer from the cops." Prosecuting the smaller crimes helped reduce the bigger ones.

Minorities want to live in safe neighborhoods. You "allies" think that's racist.

 

[YDB95]

You're wrong. Crime went down significantly. (The city was also cleaner.)

That actually started under David Dinkins. The violent crime rate peaked in 1990 and had been falling for three years when Giuliani took over.

Those neighborhoods were safer and yes, they were "safer from the cops."

Not true. There's a reason why Giuliani was so controversial even when he was popular, and frankly, there's also a reason why he was so popular among white people who usually don't like anything about NYC.

Prosecuting the smaller crimes helped reduce the bigger ones.

A fine idea in and of itself, but the application of the policy was more than a little bit racist. THAT is the issue.

Minorities want to live in safe neighborhoods. You "allies" think that's racist.

No we don't. Once again you mistake your self-serving caricature of what your opponents believe for what we really do believe.

 

[SkyBubble]

That actually started under David Dinkins.

No, the broken windows policy was Giuliani's, and it brought crime down significantly.

There's a reason why Giuliani was so controversial even when he was popular, and frankly, there's also a reason why he was so popular among white people who usually don't like anything about NYC.

And among those like me who love New York. (I grew up there.)

among white people

Making everything about race again.

A fine idea in and of itself, but the application of the policy was more than a little bit racist.

According to you. What it was in reality was a policy that made the city -- including minority neghborhoods safer. For some reason, you seem to think that making minority neighborhoods safer is somehow racist. Because of course you do. And no, that is not a caricature.

 

[YDB95]

No, the broken windows policy was Giuliani's, and it brought crime down significantly.

It already had been falling for three years. That is objective fact. Get over it.

And among those like me who love New York. (I grew up there.)

Oh, I have no trouble understanding why you like Giuliani. (You do remember he supported abortion rights and gay marriage, though, don't you?)

Making everything about race again.

It already was about race. I'm simply the one acknowledging that.

For some reason, you seem to think that making minority neighborhoods safer is somehow racist.

If that's what you're seeing in my comments, that's on you and you only.

Because of course you do. And no, that is not a caricature.

Oh, it absolutely is, as is nearly everything you say about your opponents.

 

[SkyBubble]

It already had been falling for three years.

And Giuliani's policies brought about a dramatic decrease. People elected Giuliani because they didn't feel safe. They felt safe under the Giuliani administration, and under his successor Bloomberg, who mostly kept his crime policies in place.

Oh, I have no trouble understanding why you like Giuliani. (You do remember he supported abortion rights and gay marriage, though, don't you?)

You clearly do not understand why, despite your assumptions. And yes, I know those things. They're not int e purview of the Mayor of New York, whether that mayor is Giuliani, Mamdani, or anyone else.

It already was about race.

It never was, but your and your party are trying to make it so.

And I stand by my prior statement. You make everything about race when it isn't and you clearly believe that making minority neighborhoods safer is somehow racist. Your vigorous opposition to policing policies that made that happen shows that you do.

And no, that is not a caricature.

 

[Wilson23]

You make everything about race when it isn't and you clearly believe that making minority neighborhoods safer is somehow racist. Your vigorous opposition to policing policies that made that happen shows that you do.

I'm sure nobody who LIVES in those neighborhoods has any friendly feelings toward "broken windows" or "stop and frisk" policing.

 

[YDB95]

And Giuliani's policies brought about a dramatic decrease.

Nope. The already-existing decrease simply continued under Giuliani. It's also important to note that crime rates were falling nearly everywhere in the '90s, for a variety of reasons that had nothing to do with who was mayor of New York.

People elected Giuliani because they didn't feel safe. They felt safe under the Giuliani administration, and under his successor Bloomberg, who mostly kept his crime policies in place.

Violent crime rates have continued to decrease since Bloomberg left, so it clearly wasn't just that. (Not to mention Bloomberg was literally a RINO, who ran in the GOP primary simply because there'd be less competition there.)

You clearly do not understand why, despite your assumptions. And yes, I know those things. They're not int e purview of the Mayor of New York, whether that mayor is Giuliani, Mamdani, or anyone else.

If your point is that I can't read your mind, that much is true. But I know very well why Giuliani was and is so popular among right-wingers who normally hated anyone with his positions on abortion and gay rights.

It never was, but your and your party are trying to make it so.

It always was, and it speaks volumes that you can't see that.

And I stand by my prior statement. You make everything about race when it isn't and you clearly believe that making minority neighborhoods safer is somehow racist.

If it looks that way to you, that's on you and you alone.

Your vigorous opposition to policing policies that made that happen shows that you do.

What it shows is that I won't pretend the rather obvious element of racism in the enforcement of Giuliani's policies - not the policies themselves - isn't there. That is exactly what you are doing.

And no, that is not a caricature.

Just about everything you believe about progressives is exactly that.

 

[Wilson23]

I am not ethnocentric. I have always been interested in other cultures.

Many of the original Nazis were INTERESTED in other cultures.

 

[Wilson23]

Just about everything you believe about progressives is exactly that.

What else do you expect of an idiot who thinks rule of law is a "pillar of modern conservatism"?
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-pillars-of-modern-american-conservatism.1643131/

 

[YDB95]

What else do you expect of an idiot who thinks rule of law is a "pillar of modern conservatism"?
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-pillars-of-modern-american-conservatism.1643131/

Not to mention he claims to have written for Newsmax (one of the few claims about himself that I believe).

 

[JohnEngelman]

Many of the original Nazis were INTERESTED in other cultures.

Good for them.

 

[Wilson23]

Good for them.

Indeed so. But their intellectual interest made them no less ethnocentric. Indeed some of the cultures never existed, and were of interest to the Nazis only in being ancestral to the Germans in certain mystic theories.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Indeed so. But their intellectual interest made them no less ethnocentric. Indeed some of the cultures never existed, and were of interest to the Nazis only in being ancestral to the Germans in certain mystic theories.

I admire Jews. I like to watch them succeed and prosper. As intelligence becomes increasingly important to our economy and technology we will need More Jews. Unfortunately, there are not enough Jews to go around. We in the United States already have far more than our fair share of Jews.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

Not to mention he claims to have written for Newsmax (one of the few claims about himself that I believe).

lol who wrote for newsmax q

 

[YDB95]

lol who wrote for newsmax q

SkyBubble claims he did. Of course, he also claims to have gone to a top ten college, and you tell me, has he ever displayed the sort of critical thinking skills that would engender?
But his attitude and his style of "supporting" his points, and his tendency to believe every crazy right-wing talking point to bubble up from the most absurd corners of the internet, are a perfect match to someone who would write for Newsmax.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not to mention he claims to have written for Newsmax (one of the few claims about himself that I believe).

Elle oh elle....seriously?

 

[RobDownSouth]

New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani on The View yesterday: "I am in favor of ABOLISHING ICE. And here's why...."

(Long story short: they've abandoned their traditional mission to engage in domestic terrorism)

He continues to boldly go where no other Democrats will go.

#MamdaniForPresident2028