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[BooMerengue]

Villa-Sonnet

Iambic Pentameter of course....

Lines A1 and A2 are repeated. A rhymes with A1 and A2. B doesn't.....

A1
B
B
A2
B
B
A1
A
B
B
A2
A
B
B
A1
A2

I'm getting my Johnny Knoxville fix so I wasn't paying attention...

Fooly? That looks awfully constraining... You should call that a Strait Jacket Sonnet

 

[The_Fool]

I'm getting my Johnny Knoxville fix so I wasn't paying attention...

Fooly? That looks awfully constraining... You should call that a Strait Jacket Sonnet

Ange can do it....I have all the confidence in her....

 

[Angeline]

Ange can do it....I have all the confidence in her....

the scary thing is i know you do.

 

[My Erotic Tale]

writing mine (*_*) vile sonnet huh?
and thanks boo got the new changes
for the dead-line now...

'SON-IT' may need the attention of one
of the girls from the VILLA!

 

[The_Fool]

the scary thing is i know you do.

 

[average gina]

The conversations I walk in on in here...

 

[impressive]

Okay, I have something -- a reluctant expulsion (of sorts) and it's kinda growing on me, so I'll be interested in improving (and potentially submitting) it.

 

[The_Fool]

The conversations I walk in on in here...

We're all family here.....

 

[Angeline]

We're all family here.....

Yup. One big happy dysfunctional fam.

 

[The_Fool]

Yup. One big happy dysfunctional fam.

Oh shit, my mind went in the gutter over that one....

The first thing that came to mind was that we need Viagra...

 

[Angeline]

Oh shit, my mind went in the gutter over that one....

The first thing that came to mind was that we need Viagra...

We do? I don't.

I think you need to write a vile sonnet and calm yourself.

 

[The_Fool]

We do? I don't.

I think you need to write a vile sonnet and calm yourself.

Actually I was thinking about working on a villa-sonnet just because I need some more angst in my life....

 

[Angeline]

Actually I was thinking about working on a villa-sonnet just because I need some more angst in my life....

LOL! I can spare you some angst, M.

And I'm gonna try to write one now, god help me.

And if Carrington gives me any guff about it, I'm not speaking to that man unless he answers in iambic pentameter!

 

[Angeline]

Villa-Sonnet

Iambic Pentameter of course....

Lines A1 and A2 are repeated. A rhymes with A1 and A2. B doesn't.....

A1
B
B
A2
B
B
A1
A
B
B
A2
A
B
B
A1
A2

Shit. Why do I allow myself to agree to these things????

 

[PatCarrington]

Shit. Why do I allow myself to agree to these things????

i have an answer for you.

does it have to be in iambic pentameter?

 

[Angeline]

i have an answer for you.

does it have to be in iambic pentameter?

Only if it's guff, must you answer thus
seeing as you, Pat, hate the sonnet form
If you iambed back, it would be a plus
but writing sonnets puts you in a storm
of quandry. Is it that you hate the rhyme,
or perhaps the syllabification?
If you wanted to learn, I'd take the time
to make you part of the sonnet nation.
You know there's a first for everything
and your sonnet virginity must go,
for truely dear such poeming doesn't sting
You'll learn how to do it, and then you'll grow.
Sure you're free form, but it's not heresy.
Wanna be beat by a girl from Jersey?

 

[PatCarrington]

Only if it's guff, must you answer thus
seeing as you, Pat, hate the sonnet form
If you iambed back, it would be a plus
but writing sonnets puts you in a storm
of quandry. Is it that you hate the rhyme,
or perhaps the syllabification?
If you wanted to learn, I'd take the time
to make you part of the sonnet nation.
You know there's a first for everything
and your sonnet virginity must go,
for truely dear such poeming doesn't sting
You'll learn how to do it, and then you'll grow.
Sure you're free form, but it's not heresy.
Wanna be beat by a girl from Jersey?

you are a cruel mistress.

 

[Angeline]

you are a cruel mistress.

It's like a song. You get the rhythm in your head and throw new words in.

<shrug>

Muahahahahahaha.

 

[PatCarrington]

It's like a song. You get the rhythm in your head and throw new words in.

<shrug>

Muahahahahahaha.

there was a cruel mistress from Maine
who claimed i had something to gain.
i thought that was funny
so she offered me honey.
in the end i got only the cane.


how did i do?

i am little confused though....is mine shakespearian or petrarchan?

 

[Angeline]

there was a cruel mistress from Maine
who claimed i had something to gain.
i thought that was funny
so she offered me honey.
in the end i got only the cane.


how did i do?

i am little confused though....is mine shakespearian or petrarchan?

Don't think I give up so easily.

I'm going to write my vile sonnet now. Because I'm crazy.

 

[impressive]

syllabification

I find this word disturbingly erotic.

 

[Angeline]

I find this word disturbingly erotic.

that's because it has those ls and a hiss to it.

and a shhh at the end.

i think.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Villa-sonnet. Most intriguing.

 

[foehn]

Was this thread hijacked?

Pat, quite obviously, that was a limo-wrecking sonnet.

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I'm disturbed now because I don't know whether I'm behind the times or not. I've read so much about syllables and syllabification and other syllinesses, I'm wondering if strong stresses and weak stresses have given way to space-age analysis of poetic verbiage.

It may be that one of my problems is being accustomed to hearing Texas dialect, in which the word "right," properly pronounced, has three syllables...

I'm not a linguist, but I wanted to be a poet so badly when I was a young fool that I studied poetics, after a fashion. I am still of a mind that the number of syllables in a poem is relatively meaningless in comparison to how the poem is heard with the inner ear, or especially, how it is heard when read aloud by the author. I think linguists have contributed to some theories about intonation, inflection, pitch, and so on, but I never noticed a reliance on syllables to analyze meter, rhythm, or anything else in poetry, other than a syllabic poem; and it has been my impression that syllabic poetry has been, simply, a form restriction which cramps a poet into new heights of creativity (by the dialectic between the desire for freedom of expression, and the acceptance of restriction), but that syllables, in and of themselves, contribute nothing at all to the musicality of rhythm in a poem.

The way I learned it, a sonnet could have a line of pure dactyllic pentameter in it, but still be considered a poem written in iambic pentameter, because of a preponderance of lines establishing that rhythm. Rhythm is made more interesting (not to mention tolerable) by variations. The percussion element of songs is like that as well... the "TICK tock, TICK tock" of a clock is so dull it will put one to sleep, but give it a little counterpoint and a few extra TICKS and tocks and it will come alive. To rate a poem by syllables seems regressive to me; but then, I well may be out of the modern loop, not having kept up very well.

One interesting thing here is that it seems pretty obvious to me we all listen to poems here. Even if we don't read them aloud (and I'm sure few of us ever do) -- we "hear" the poems in our mind's inner ear... we hear them as we would read them ourselves, with all our various styles of reading poetry, I imagine. I know I do. I hear the vowels and consonants, the lilting and the skipping and the long, laborious steps of straight slow words as though they were flutes and tympani, musical instruments of all kinds. DeepAsleep's words come alive like guitar in a rock band, Lauren's are like French horns, twelveoone's like cello, just to name a few, and there are many others I seem to always enjoy. I'm just tossing out some strained metaphors, of course, but the thing that bothers me is the flatness, the one-dimensionality of a syllable count. There's too much else going on in a poem: tempo, half-notes and quarter-notes, high notes and low notes. My take on things, of course.

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As for the challenge, it's a fine idea. I'm not feeling personally motivated right now, but I'll be interested to see what comes of it.

Mostly, I'm worried about completing a construction project, and now, of all things, syllabification. Let me know if I'm totally off kilter, eh? I may have missed the boat somewhere.

 

[sandspike]

just a bump

I wanted to get this thread back near the top so I could find it Sunday.
The 'simpler days' thread has been highjacked. This thread makes me
wish for 'simpler days'.