Piss play

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Re: urine...

i don't consider the things my Master subjects me to involving piss to be in the least bit humiliating...humiliation must make you feel bad, imo...must slap you in the face to some reality which is painful for you emotionally....and for us, it's all loving, so there is no humiliation involved.

I always enjoy reading your posts OSG, thanks for your insight. Humiliation triggers, for me, are things that get me out of self, and expand my submission even further. For me, humiliation isn't about feeling bad, it's about fully letting go of my ego, and fully experiencing my bare, naked self in submission. It may seem like semantics to some, but I draw a very clear and dark line between humilation and degradation. Degradation is what makes me feel bad, and it comes from that non-consensual, abusive, hurtful, nasty, self-centered, and twisted side of life. Degradation, in a word, sucks. Not good times at all.

I think I'll stick to humiliation.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Re: Re: urine...

I always enjoy reading your posts OSG, thanks for your insight. Humiliation triggers, for me, are things that get me out of self, and expand my submission even further. For me, humiliation isn't about feeling bad, it's about fully letting go of my ego, and fully experiencing my bare, naked self in submission. It may seem like semantics to some, but I draw a very clear and dark line between humilation and degradation. Degradation is what makes me feel bad, and it comes from that non-consensual, abusive, hurtful, nasty, self-centered, and twisted side of life. Degradation, in a word, sucks. Not good times at all.

I think I'll stick to humiliation.

Anelize, you just gave me a new topic idea

 

[AvaAdore]

i am curious about it, but have never intentionally engaged in piss play.

i have by accident though
i was on top of my lover. he was fucking me really hard. i sneezed.

it took us a few minutes to realize what happened. he thought it was funny. i did too after i got over the embarrassment

 

[Pure]

Aneliza said,

//Degradation is what makes me feel bad, and it comes from that non-consensual, abusive, hurtful, nasty, self-centered, and twisted side of life. Degradation, in a word, sucks. //

[pure's reply:]
Degradation simply means, as OSG said, reducing someone to 'pond scum' or making them experience being 'pond scum'.

Degradation, like being flogged, peed on, or fucked, can be consensual.

Your statement is a lot like saying, "Rape is nasty, abusive and hurtful, therefore *fucking* 'sucks'."

I think, of course, you have every right to say of any practice: This is not my cuppa.

J.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Aneliza said,

//Degradation is what makes me feel bad, and it comes from that non-consensual, abusive, hurtful, nasty, self-centered, and twisted side of life. Degradation, in a word, sucks. //

Degradation simply means, as OSG said, reducing someone to 'pond scum' or making them experience being 'pond scum'.

Degradation, like being flogged, peed on, or fucked, can be consensual.

Your statement is a lot like saying, "Rape is nasty, abusive and hurtful, therefore *fucking* 'sucks'."

I think, of course, you have every right to say of any practice: This is not my cuppa.

J.

Do you actually read posts, or do you just make up the words as you go along? Anelize(and you misspelled her name too) was simply saying that it isn't the activity, it is the intent and emotion behind it. You can pee on someone and it be a loving thing, a BDSM humiliation exercise, or hurtful behavior, depending on the context.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Let's see how long it takes for Pure to edit his post...

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Aneliza said,

//Degradation is what makes me feel bad, and it comes from that non-consensual, abusive, hurtful, nasty, self-centered, and twisted side of life. Degradation, in a word, sucks. //

Degradation simply means, as OSG said, reducing someone to 'pond scum' or making them experience being 'pond scum'.

Degradation, like being flogged, peed on, or fucked, can be consensual.

Your statement is a lot like saying, "Rape is nasty, abusive and hurtful, therefore *fucking* 'sucks'."

I think, of course, you have every right to say of any practice: This is not my cuppa.

J.

Thanks JM

Sheesh Pure. You must be having a real down day. You've taken to twisting words and taking things out of context again.

I mean, c'mon man, you can do better than this. Or at least you used to. What happened to the sharp minded Pure of old? You are seriously slipping.

For anyone who CARES, JM was right on. If you are interested my further views on degradation, check out OSGs thread "humiliation vs. degradation".

Pure, get a life.

~anelize

 

[A Desert Rose]

Thanks JM

Sheesh Pure. You must be having a real down day. You've taken to twisting words and taking things out of context again.

I mean, c'mon man, you can do better than this. Or at least you used to. What happened to the sharp minded Pure of old? You are seriously slipping.

For anyone who CARES, JM was right on. If you are interested my further views on degradation, check out OSGs thread "humiliation vs. degradation".

Pure, get a life.

~anelize

Does this ring a bell?

Kick 'em in the balls and call it good.

I have just been dying to use that line..... LMAO and thank you!

 

[lilredwolph]

Thanks JM

Sheesh Pure. You must be having a real down day. You've taken to twisting words and taking things out of context again.

I mean, c'mon man, you can do better than this. Or at least you used to. What happened to the sharp minded Pure of old? You are seriously slipping.

Pure, get a life.

~anelize

pure must have run out of things to cut and paste, alittle bit of research for new cut and pastiables and things will be back to normal

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

pure must have run out of things to cut and paste, alittle bit of research for new cut and pastiables and things will be back to normal

 

[Nonchalant]

thanks.....this thread was extremely informative.

 

[Pure]

Hi Anelize,

In fact, I did not quote you 'out of context', as you claim:


you say,

Sheesh Pure. You must be having a real down day. You've taken to twisting words and taking things out of context again.

I mean, c'mon man, you can do better than this. Or at least you used to. What happened to the sharp minded Pure of old? You are seriously slipping.

For anyone who CARES, JM was right on. If you are interested my further views on degradation, check out OSGs thread "humiliation vs. degradation".

Pure, get a life.

~anelize

My quote was of your sentence below, beginning "Degradation is what makes me feel bad...."

Clearly it's not "out of context," -- that's a very lame claim.

Anelize clearly says it's a bad thing, indeed, there's a 'dark line' separating it from humiliation. It is 'not good times'. 'It sucks'

Mayberry as usual, fast on the mudslinging.

/JM/[she] was simply saying that it isn't the activity, it is the intent and emotion behind it. You can pee on someone and it be a loving thing, a BDSM humiliation exercise, or hurtful behavior, depending on the context.//

She does not say it (degradation) depends on the context, the emotion behind it, or that it can be loving. She rejects it.

If she *means* something else, the posting is unclear or incomplete. Maybe her views expressed in other threads are different. She can refer us to those threads, fine, without the insults or claims of 'misreading.'

{Added, in fact, in the thread mentioned she likewise says she is scared of degradation, it has bad effects, and essentially equates it with abuse, etc. see the large quotation at the end, marked **}


J.

PS: Johnny: I don't edit or change what's been quoted or responded to, without noting it. Prior to response, I feel free to clarify or correct missing words, etc without noting it.


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Anelize in full:

I always enjoy reading your posts OSG, thanks for your insight. Humiliation triggers, for me, are things that get me out of self, and expand my submission even further. For me, humiliation isn't about feeling bad, it's about fully letting go of my ego, and fully experiencing my bare, naked self in submission. It may seem like semantics to some, but I draw a very clear and dark line between humilation and degradation. Degradation is what makes me feel bad, and it comes from that non-consensual, abusive, hurtful, nasty, self-centered, and twisted side of life. Degradation, in a word, sucks. Not good times at all. [pure's emphasis]

Anelize in the humiliation and degradation thread, in part:


Big difference. Major difference. I have a deep seated and real need for and love of humiliation. Degradation? Nope. I don't want to go there. I've been there and it ain't pretty.

Like OSG, I agree that humiliation is a reminder that I'm not special, or perfect, or super sub. It's an ego-buster. I NEED it to get me out of myself, take me off that pedestal of self that I've got in my head and knock me down to sub size. No matter HOW great a submissive I think I am, how wonderful the service I'm giving, I've still got a little place of ego I'm operating from in there somewhere...hiding out...waiting. A good dose of humiliation is just the right thing to take me down, and put me in . my . place .

Degradation, on the other hand, is something that scares the living daylights out of me. Mainly because it's something I've done to myself in the past. Yes, I've degraded myself. Not in this relationship, but in another....note I said degraded myself. I didn't allow it to happen, I abused myself with that relationship in a way that was degrading and abusive to me. It wasn't embarrassing, or mildly uncomfortable--it debased me, dishonored me, and disgraced me. I was nothing after it was over. A shell.

 

[Lady Emerald]

C'mon you guys, you make every thread, every debate about yourselves rather than the topic of discussion!!!!

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

If pure wasn't such a dipshit, trolling all the time, we could stay on topic.

 

[Lady Emerald]

If pure wasn't such a dipshit, trolling all the time, we could stay on topic.

Johnny--its your charm, your eloquence that wins us over every time!!!

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Johnny--its your charm, your eloquence that wins us over every time!!!

Uh huh...go suck someone else's dick, mm-kay?

 

[Lady Emerald]

------------With a graceful sigh--------------------
I rest my case!!

 

[arljjc]

Re: Re: urine...

I always enjoy reading your posts OSG, thanks for your insight. Humiliation triggers, for me, are things that get me out of self, and expand my submission even further. For me, humiliation isn't about feeling bad, it's about fully letting go of my ego, and fully experiencing my bare, naked self in submission. It may seem like semantics to some, but I draw a very clear and dark line between humilation and degradation. Degradation is what makes me feel bad, and it comes from that non-consensual, abusive, hurtful, nasty, self-centered, and twisted side of life. Degradation, in a word, sucks. Not good times at all.

I think I'll stick to humiliation.

AnelizeDarkEyes

Am fairly new to LIT, a little over two weeks. In talking with people they want to know "what are you?". Defining oneself is difficult because words can mean quite different things to different people. I have read through a number of these threads on the subject of humiliation and degredation and have found your description above to be the best description for how I feel.

Thanks.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Re: Re: Re: urine...

AnelizeDarkEyes

Am fairly new to LIT, a little over two weeks. In talking with people they want to know "what are you?". Defining oneself is difficult because words can mean quite different things to different people. I have read through a number of these threads on the subject of humiliation and degredation and have found your description above to be the best description for how I feel.

Thanks.

You are most welcome. I'm glad my words helped you find a bit of your truth. In the end, that's all that really matters anyhow.

~anelize

 

[rimpuchi]

guys drinking piss?

i read the thread with interest, what i really wonder is that none of the guys comment on THEIR experience of having their girlfriends/lovers pissing on them...

my wife sometimes lets go a little piss when she cumms... she was really embarrased at first, but i managed to convince her that i loved it... now i can really differentiate from the tast when she spurts out pussy-juice (sweet--oh so sweet) and piss (salty-tangy).... or to fuck her and have her piss on my cock as i am fucking on her....

regarding the question of how to get the cock in to piss... well i use a cock ring, and then after i have cumm i just stay in my wifes soggy pussy, the ring keeps my cock a little hard,, and then i cna really piss in her cunt while biting her nipples... she cumms really hard...

what i really love afterwards is cleaning up... sucking and licking her pussy off my cum, the pussy juices and piss.... this is the most rewarding part of after-play to me... have you seen dogs fucking?? they sure are gentelmen, and know how to end up by cleaning the ladys playpen... no wonder they have such fun....

the problem wiht us humans, is that we sometimes forget that we are animals too.... we sure can learn a lot from our other spieces,

what du ya say??

 

[catalina_francisco]

Always a good bump periodically as the thread is jam packed with useful information from both those with experience and some with biological/health facts. Like many topics discussed here, the ick factor can lead some to question the safety issues without a solid foundation. Hopefully this will go a little way toward easing the mind of any who find themselves in a relationship where pissplay is suggested or introduced.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

One of the interesting articles about the benefits from a health aspect for those who wish to read. There are some other great discussions on this topic in a BDSM sense on quite a few forums. http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/urine_martha.htm

Catalina

 

[shy slave]

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[catalina_francisco]

Interesting thread to bump Catalina.

I love piss play.

I enjoyed reading Anelize words on the difference between humiliation and degradation.

At the end of a session to have Him piss on me in the silence is like an anointing and sealing of our relationship.

It does not feel humiliating or degrading more as a gift a presence of something that is not explained in words.

LOL, as with many things, I find it is how your mind can be trained to think of it. Sometimes it is difficult to get into that mindframe, especially when it is with the one who knows you inside out, but humiliation and/or degradation can be encouraged if that is what he desires.

Catalina

 

[bytor2112]

piss play is for sad sacks who need help but refuse to delve into their psyche and get the help..