Porn

[ralph_knav]

I agree with 'therealultimatedarkone'. I much prefer the completely fake stuff. Am I horrible for that? Probably. The fact that it is so fake enables me to semi lose myself in it much the same as when I am reading a book. Is the book real? No. Do I care? No. Its just that it allows me to experience things that are absolutely never ever going to happen. I love that.

 

[therealultimatedarkone]

maybe the shoes are the best part !

Spikey, shiny, strapy, black...coupled with an elegant, pin-up style dress...erhm...excuse me for a few...

 

[Mac98]

I agree with most people here. I'll watch once in a while but very very rarely will I watch amateur stuff. In no small part due to the fact that much of it (at least more than we even think) is with non-consenting females. Human trafficing IS a serious problem, so I try to stay away from them as much as possible.

In "pro" porn, I can't stand having lackluster scenes with either overly agressive males or barbie-looking females. I think it would be a good idea for a porn studio company to just recrute women and leave them as they are instead of starving them and paying for 36 FFFF-sized implants. If you wanna' try and get the audience to identify at least a bit (which is crucial to all movies, be it porn or not), you have to have at least SOME validity to your film.

My 2 cents.

 

[therealultimatedarkone]

The barbie looking women and aggressive males are really boring and generic, but porns companies aren't the same they were in the 70s. Some probably are, but I've heard several pornstars talk about the industry, and it actually sounds like most enjoy their work.

I think it just depends on who you end up watching, because with some, it's obvious they like doing a scene, while others don't.

 

[Corianne]

Actually grotesque? It would have to be all those over the top slutting-it-up gals. I hate scenes that set up with a supposed little "story" to them and the woman or girl is wearing an outlandish outfit with skyscraper heels in what is supposedly an ordinary situation. It would be SOOOooooooo much more sexy if before the seduction and sex happens, the women dress realistically instead of looking like outrageous fuck-me whores. And do ALL porn actresses have to have obligatory bellybutton jewelry, pierced clit hoods and wear ridiculous high heels in the fucking scenes? IMO all dead giveaways for spotting a porn actress (if you can call her that) in a supposedly "amateur" video...

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Not to leave out the men, they also seem very lame as porn actors when they show no emotion at all during the whole video or when they never seem to help the women stimulate her clit while they're fucking her. It's so pathetic to see the actress having to rub her clit herself while the guy plows away at her. WHY don't the guys ever help ?? It makes porn sex look like selfish sex... they're just using her holes. If she wants to get off, that's her problem. They're not gonna help her or anything. That's a big turn off. It's truly sad if any guys watch porn and think those porn actors are setting the example of what should be done.

Couldn't agree more. I worry that guys, especially younger guys who have grown up having easy access to free porn, will actually think that porn is good sex and then wonder why their own sex life doesn't seem too successful. I worry even more that young women will also think porn represents good sex and think they deserve no better.

 

[littlebabyclit]

here, here !!

If you wanna' try and get the audience to identify at least a bit (which is crucial to all movies, be it porn or not), you have to have at least SOME validity to your film.

My 2 cents.

I'm throwin' 2 more cents in with your's ...now we have 4 cents...by jove, I think you've GOT it !! I want to identify with the people in the porn scenes. Much of the time, I cannot.

 

[therealultimatedarkone]

Well, we could always have a serious discourse on sex and how sex is perceived through a person's life in this country.

BWAHAHAHAHA...ohhhhhh...

Ahem, but on the serious side, a discourse on the perceptions of sex would probably be impossible on a national level. There'd be too many people on one side making rude sexual jokes, while on the other side there'd be too many abstinence only and "sex is a dirty thing that should only be done in private" people. I don't want to turn this into a trolling comment or flamebait, but because of the puritanical nature of sexual discourse in America, sex talk on a wide scale can't happen.

In fact, the only place I've seen it is on the internet or late night on for-pay cable channels or non-American television.

I do agree that porn presents a warped perception of sex, but media in general has warped the percpetions of everything. To paraphrase Fight Club, men (and I'm chosing men because I'm a guy and think about these things, and I can't really comment on women) are taught that they can be rock stars and action heroes from birth, and that growing up to hold a steady office job or working at a restaurant or trying to be an artist is a 'loser'/'unmanly' form of work. If you aren't a fireman, soldier, band frontman, or have a really huge wang, you aren't really a man.

Porn is just another layer of media distortion. What needs to happen, is to teach critical thinking, rather than educate on single topics. This would cover being able to discern the fakeness in porn and movies and tv.

I should also note, that although I like watching pornography, I'm aware at all times it's fake and un-realistic, and that most women don't look or act like pornstars. But, as I pointed out earlier, there's where the fantasy comes in.

 

[Mac98]

I'm throwin' 2 more cents in with your's ...now we have 4 cents...by jove, I think you've GOT it !! I want to identify with the people in the porn scenes. Much of the time, I cannot.

If you're being sarcastic, laugh all you want, but conciously or unconciously, everyone tries to identify with what they see on TV... commercials, movies, tv shows... and yes, porn.

 

[littlebabyclit]

If you're being sarcastic, laugh all you want, but conciously or unconciously, everyone tries to identify with what they see on TV... commercials, movies, tv shows... and yes, porn.

I was trying to be jovial, actually. Not sarcastic. I agree with you!

 

[InternetAlias]

The barbie looking women and aggressive males are really boring and generic, but porns companies aren't the same they were in the 70s. Some probably are, but I've heard several pornstars talk about the industry, and it actually sounds like most enjoy their work.

I think it just depends on who you end up watching, because with some, it's obvious they like doing a scene, while others don't.

I think this most accurately reflects my feelings on porn in general.

There's a pretty huge variety out there and it ranges massively in style, quality and subject matter. It's an entertainment industry and, just like the majority of tripe that's churned through the cinema, recorded in a studio and published in print, most porn is uninteresting to me.

At a bare minimum everyone performing must look like they are actually into it (even if it's just very convincing... fantasy right?). I've got to find the girl(s) attractive - what I consider hot, most others don't. I also appreciate something that's at least reasonably well produced with perhaps some decent audio and/or visuals. My point? I've found plenty of porn examples that fit these requirements and are therefore worth watching. I don't find it strange people don't realise this however, because first you have to realise it's out there before you look for it.

As for amateur porn... meh. It's not always terrible, but it mostly is. Grainy camera, static position, poor lighting, crap sound... seriously the subject matter better be pretty damn special to win me over in most cases.

 

[lennythelion]

conciously or unconciously, everyone tries to identify with what they see on TV... commercials, movies, tv shows... and yes, porn.

I was discussing this thread with a friend last week.

He says that what he likes in porn is the fantasy (i.e "fairytale") of *dreaming* he could be in the situation depicted, that he could make a woman scream like that, etc.

For me, "fantasy" means something I'd quite like to do but haven't got around to trying, or haven't found the right person/s with whom to try it. So, as I have said, I prefer the "real stuff" because I can't really identify with the fake stuff.

My friend also happens to work in the porn industry and he told me that he once conducted a survey and found that about 75% of men (this related to porn magazines) are in that "realistic" category - they want to feel like they could actually find themselves in that situation.

I think it might be interesting to do a poll...

 

[Mac98]

I was trying to be jovial, actually. Not sarcastic. I agree with you!

Ah, ok, I see! Then take no offense to what I said.

I was discussing this thread with a friend last week.

He says that what he likes in porn is the fantasy (i.e "fairytale") of *dreaming* he could be in the situation depicted, that he could make a woman scream like that, etc.

For me, "fantasy" means something I'd quite like to do but haven't got around to trying, or haven't found the right person/s with whom to try it. So, as I have said, I prefer the "real stuff" because I can't really identify with the fake stuff.

My friend also happens to work in the porn industry and he told me that he once conducted a survey and found that about 75% of men (this related to porn magazines) are in that "realistic" category - they want to feel like they could actually find themselves in that situation.

I think it might be interesting to do a poll...

Definately. I know that for me, I'm well aware none of the scenarios are remotely possible to ever happen, but the more realistic a scene is (this includes the "storyline", or whatever storyline there can be in a porn movie and the actors' performances)... that's another thing, I think porn actors were born to be TERRIBLE actors. Acting isn't all that hard, but it seems as though the remote few in this world who can't act worth shit all became pornstars... I'd say one of the only exceptions may be Jenna Jameson who's always managed to keep some type of interesting creative, artistic side to her "performances".

I'm sorry, I'm just very critical about movies, even porn. I spend more time criticizing the acting and storyline than I do actually paying attention. But I honestly think that the more realistic a plotline is, as well as the acting performance, the more you'll grab a larger audience.. and you'd probably grab the attention of a larger number of female audiences too.

 

[littlebabyclit]

Ah, ok, I see! Then take no offense to what I said.

I think porn actors were born to be TERRIBLE actors. Acting isn't all that hard, but it seems as though the remote few in this world who can't act worth shit all became pornstars... I'd say one of the only exceptions may be Jenna Jameson who's always managed to keep some type of interesting creative, artistic side to her "performances".

I'm sorry, I'm just very critical about movies, even porn.

Don't be sorry! Being critical minded is a good thing. Too much garbage entertainment is seen as great by uneducated and unthinking minds.

I have seen some good acting ability out of male porn stars. Why do so many of the women stink so badly at acting? And since poor acting is so rampant, isn't it about time the porn industry funded a FEW Basics of Acting classes here and there for their up and cumming star performers?

 

[therealultimatedarkone]

Although, after reading the "Vocal Men" thread, being a bad actor and overactor is sexy to a lot of people. So, there's some basis in reality for goofy moaning and over-the-top dirty talk.

 

[satindesire]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Pro porn is NOTHING like real sex, or good sex. I've never met a woman who enjoys pro porn, although obviously they must be out there. Here's my reasons:

The worst thing that pisses me off: The movies completely ignore the importance of the clitoris. It's ridiculous to the extreme! The girl blows the guy, then they have intercourse. Her clitoris never or RARELY gets touched, licked, vibrated, brushed against, NOTHING! And I feel really fucking sorry for these poor jackasses who actually 'learn' how to have sex from porn, and wonder why their REAL GIRLFRIENDS aren't reaching orgasm after they pound her poor vagina into oblivion.

I don't enjoy the over the top and obvious plastic surgery. I like fake boobs, more than a LOT of people, but on a lot of women they're unnecessary and they'd look much better natural. The overly inflated lips are retarded looking and make the girls look like they kissed a hot curling iron.

I love the girls to look 'done', as in they put makeup on and fixed their hair, but what's with the constant stream of bleach blonde girls? What's wrong with redheads, brunettes, and girls with unusual haircuts like extra-long hair, or fauxhawks?

Why do they ALL have belly button rings? It makes me want to NOT get one, because I don't want to be mistaken for a freaking porn starlet!!

What's with the slutty stripper shoes? You know what sexy shoes are? NOT THOSE. Girls don't wear them on an everyday basis, they're too hard to walk in, and too expensive to ruin by walking in them.

What's with the fake moaning, starlets? He's not touching your clit and neither are you. We know you're not having an orgasm. Why fake it? It's stupid to teach men that by jackhammering away at your gaping, bruised cunt you'll cum like a river. Your dirty talk is repetitive and forced and you're not squirting, you're pissing.

Why are the girls always called "sluts" or "whores"? You're watching them, or you're fucking them. What does that make the male star?! If anything, they should be thanking the porn starlet for allowing those dumb asses to use her body to masturbate into without caring if she comes or not. She's no more a whore than the male star is.

 

[WriterDom]

I like this

http://www.empflix.com/view.php?id=63187

Love to fuck someone over a desk and film her from that angle.

 

[infinity706]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Pro porn is NOTHING like real sex, or good sex. I've never met a woman who enjoys pro porn, although obviously they must be out there. Here's my reasons:

The worst thing that pisses me off: The movies completely ignore the importance of the clitoris. It's ridiculous to the extreme! The girl blows the guy, then they have intercourse. Her clitoris never or RARELY gets touched, licked, vibrated, brushed against, NOTHING! And I feel really fucking sorry for these poor jackasses who actually 'learn' how to have sex from porn, and wonder why their REAL GIRLFRIENDS aren't reaching orgasm after they pound her poor vagina into oblivion.

I don't enjoy the over the top and obvious plastic surgery. I like fake boobs, more than a LOT of people, but on a lot of women they're unnecessary and they'd look much better natural. The overly inflated lips are retarded looking and make the girls look like they kissed a hot curling iron.

I love the girls to look 'done', as in they put makeup on and fixed their hair, but what's with the constant stream of bleach blonde girls? What's wrong with redheads, brunettes, and girls with unusual haircuts like extra-long hair, or fauxhawks?

Why do they ALL have belly button rings? It makes me want to NOT get one, because I don't want to be mistaken for a freaking porn starlet!!

What's with the slutty stripper shoes? You know what sexy shoes are? NOT THOSE. Girls don't wear them on an everyday basis, they're too hard to walk in, and too expensive to ruin by walking in them.

What's with the fake moaning, starlets? He's not touching your clit and neither are you. We know you're not having an orgasm. Why fake it? It's stupid to teach men that by jackhammering away at your gaping, bruised cunt you'll cum like a river. Your dirty talk is repetitive and forced and you're not squirting, you're pissing.

Why are the girls always called "sluts" or "whores"? You're watching them, or you're fucking them. What does that make the male star?! If anything, they should be thanking the porn starlet for allowing those dumb asses to use her body to masturbate into without caring if she comes or not. She's no more a whore than the male star is.

They're not pissing. It's simply dumping a bottle of water into her cunt and having her squeeze when she fakes. Of course, in one way, it's better because real cum stains things.

Oh, and I do know 1 woman that likes pro porn.

 

[InternetAlias]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Pro porn is NOTHING like real sex, or good sex. I've never met a woman who enjoys pro porn, although obviously they must be out there. Here's my reasons:

The worst thing that pisses me off: The movies completely ignore the importance of the clitoris. It's ridiculous to the extreme! The girl blows the guy, then they have intercourse. Her clitoris never or RARELY gets touched, licked, vibrated, brushed against, NOTHING! And I feel really fucking sorry for these poor jackasses who actually 'learn' how to have sex from porn, and wonder why their REAL GIRLFRIENDS aren't reaching orgasm after they pound her poor vagina into oblivion.

I don't enjoy the over the top and obvious plastic surgery. I like fake boobs, more than a LOT of people, but on a lot of women they're unnecessary and they'd look much better natural. The overly inflated lips are retarded looking and make the girls look like they kissed a hot curling iron.

I love the girls to look 'done', as in they put makeup on and fixed their hair, but what's with the constant stream of bleach blonde girls? What's wrong with redheads, brunettes, and girls with unusual haircuts like extra-long hair, or fauxhawks?

Why do they ALL have belly button rings? It makes me want to NOT get one, because I don't want to be mistaken for a freaking porn starlet!!

What's with the slutty stripper shoes? You know what sexy shoes are? NOT THOSE. Girls don't wear them on an everyday basis, they're too hard to walk in, and too expensive to ruin by walking in them.

What's with the fake moaning, starlets? He's not touching your clit and neither are you. We know you're not having an orgasm. Why fake it? It's stupid to teach men that by jackhammering away at your gaping, bruised cunt you'll cum like a river. Your dirty talk is repetitive and forced and you're not squirting, you're pissing.

Why are the girls always called "sluts" or "whores"? You're watching them, or you're fucking them. What does that make the male star?! If anything, they should be thanking the porn starlet for allowing those dumb asses to use her body to masturbate into without caring if she comes or not. She's no more a whore than the male star is.

See, you seem to be generalising based on the particular porn you happen to have seen. It would be a little like taking a sample of mainstream films and then concluding "all films are american, produced in hollywood, involve car chases, romantic sub-plotlines and happy endings". I know several women who enjoy porn in general (privately or otherwise) and I've been in a relationship with one. I'm not saying you aren't on the money with a lot of stuff out there, stereotypes do originate somewhere and that's what this attitude is: a stereotype.

I've seen plenty pro porn involving attention to the clitoris with the woman recieving more than cursory oral sex for once. There's pro porn without the standard forms of objectification (her being the slut, whore, there purely for the male gratification). I've seen scenes with a distinct lack of plastic surgery, bleach blond girls and belly button rings (occasionally without a lower back tattoo as well ). Hell, I can think of several currently very prolific actresses at the top of the industry who are brunette or redhead with natural bodies in various sizes ranging from small to large, so the bleach blonde thing is just a bit of a daft stereotype. And, sod the fauxhawk; mohawks, dreadlocks, undercuts, body mods are all around in pro porn in 2009 if you look a little. Combinations of all the above features in various levels of quality and forms do exist, and I know from experience that it was enough for an ex to watch and get off on where "traditional" cookie-cutter porn completely failed.

On a different note... In terms of the oft-criticised "acting" ability of pornstars:

Why does it not often occur to people that the type of "acting" is different to regular film. I'm not saying one talent replaces the other or that someone might not have both, but to maintain an impression of genuine enjoyment and involvement and a state of arousal (particularly in the male case) through less than ideal conditions over extended periods of time is surely a type of acting. Script, plot or not.

 

[therealultimatedarkone]

I like this

http://www.empflix.com/view.php?id=63187

Love to fuck someone over a desk and film her from that angle.

Love that one!

The worst thing that pisses me off: The movies completely ignore the importance of the clitoris. It's ridiculous to the extreme! The girl blows the guy, then they have intercourse. Her clitoris never or RARELY gets touched, licked, vibrated, brushed against, NOTHING! And I feel really fucking sorry for these poor jackasses who actually 'learn' how to have sex from porn, and wonder why their REAL GIRLFRIENDS aren't reaching orgasm after they pound her poor vagina into oblivion.

There are porn scenes where oral sex and clitoral stimulation pops up. It's not uncommon for there to be lots of foreplay or finger play. I've also seen quite a few scenes with those giant, white, vibro-wand things. I think it all depends on where you look for your porn. Not to mention some women may not get stimulation from the clitoris as much as from being fucked like a ragdoll. Not to say this is the case everytime, I'm just saying things work differently for different people.

And, I think that the terms like 'slut' and 'whore' can be non-derogatory terms, it all depends on your point-of-view and who uses the words and the context in which they're used (viz. 'gay').

Or, you can read this humorous quote: http://bash.org/?908184#d


It actually seems more and more that porn is a matter of personal preference and personal choice as to what's sexy and what isn't.

 

[ImOnIt]

not sure how this site feels about external sites but BeautifulAgony dot com is user submitted, face and shoulder view of girls and guys jilling and jacking off.

Seriously considering a subscription.

 

[human_male]

Donkey porn. Nothing but donkey porn.

 

[InternetAlias]

It actually seems more and more that porn is a matter of personal preference and personal choice as to what's sexy and what isn't.

Isn't this totally obvious??

Anyway, I have something else to add: I was speaking to my gf about this, and her reasoning for finding porn mainly uninteresting was that although she is aware of variable quality, and that not all porn actresses look the same, etc etc, it's that the male actors are in the vast majority of cases (i.e. almost all) not the focus of straight porn.

Essentially they are just the ones who can keep it up, and it's basically pot luck as to whether one is attractive to her or not. Most importantly, you don't particularly have an easy time of it going out to seek straight porn based on the male.

Finally something I hadn't responded to previously which I intended to...

Couldn't agree more. I worry that guys, especially younger guys who have grown up having easy access to free porn, will actually think that porn is good sex and then wonder why their own sex life doesn't seem too successful. I worry even more that young women will also think porn represents good sex and think they deserve no better.

I think this gives the innate attitudes of people too little credit. Some people are going to be bad, some people good. Young women not watching porn are not really going to take it as the benchmark either... Basically I'm not convinced that porn is suddenly going to make someone with promise terrible in bed or vice versa.

 

[BrazenFellow]

Don't be sorry! Being critical minded is a good thing. Too much garbage entertainment is seen as great by uneducated and unthinking minds.

I have seen some good acting ability out of male porn stars. Why do so many of the women stink so badly at acting? And since poor acting is so rampant, isn't it about time the porn industry funded a FEW Basics of Acting classes here and there for their up and cumming star performers?

The men aren't much better in my experience but I've been mostly ignoring professional porn for several years now so I'm not exactly up to date. Many of the women are horrible because many of the women have some sort of narcotics addiction and a very low level of education. There's a couple specials and series running about life in pornography in the States, with Vivid and "Seymore Butts" and so on. One of my preferred fap-fantasy women failed a drug screening for cocaine, which in retrospect is obvious given her off and on screen antics (Dani Woodward), as it seems Vivid won't hire a druggie.

As to why they don't fund the classes (hell, just putting them in an existing class would be great) it's because of the internet, free porn cuts their profit margins considerably and they're not running shoestring budgets, but most definitely a budget that would not appreciate having to send casts to acting classes for potentially no return on investment. Unlike the return on investment plastic surgery can give.

Although, after reading the "Vocal Men" thread, being a bad actor and overactor is sexy to a lot of people. So, there's some basis in reality for goofy moaning and over-the-top dirty talk.

I question how much of that is "genuine" in the sense that it's what they've always wanted *before* they saw porn, and how much of it is "Ah, that's what it's supposed to look and sound like" from pornos. That said, a forum like LitErotica is going to attract more people from the intellectual side of the line who'll want a higher standard in porn and thus it seems like there's less support for what pro porn does than there is.

Why does it not often occur to people that the type of "acting" is different to regular film. I'm not saying one talent replaces the other or that someone might not have both, but to maintain an impression of genuine enjoyment and involvement and a state of arousal (particularly in the male case) through less than ideal conditions over extended periods of time is surely a type of acting. Script, plot or not.

Apparently the cadre of male pornstars is so small not because big dicks are *that* rare, it's the pressure of performing for hours of filming with lights and a camera crew standing *right the fuck there* moving around you. I mentioned the Showcase series and specials in my post (above), which I paraphrase when I say: "You have no idea how many times I've heard: "This has never happened to me before" when some guy can't get it up." The proliferation of "internals" is when the male can't orgasm for a moneyshot. That's why in genuine "internal" shots they insist on spending five minutes holding her open until jism leaks out, it's that genre's equivalent of the facial/tit moneyshot.

Couldn't agree more. I worry that guys, especially younger guys who have grown up having easy access to free porn, will actually think that porn is good sex and then wonder why their own sex life doesn't seem too successful. I worry even more that young women will also think porn represents good sex and think they deserve no better.

I think this gives the innate attitudes of people too little credit. Some people are going to be bad, some people good. Young women not watching porn are not really going to take it as the benchmark either... Basically I'm not convinced that porn is suddenly going to make someone with promise terrible in bed or vice versa.

I would have to agree with InternetAlias. There are some who are stupid enough to think that it is the way to do things, in which case you get abominable sex like that SatinDesire outlined, but there are also some who aren't stupid enough to think that. Those who aren't stupid enough to think that aren't a problem. Those who are, well, they're a problem. Corianne mentioned the young women who think "that's what sex is" and that they deserve no better, which is a valid concern. And the male-centric view of most porn genuinely bothers me, most of the guys I know are douchebaggy enough without encouragement from that arc.

 

[therealultimatedarkone]

Isn't this totally obvious??

You'd be surprised how much obvious information needs to stated.
ie Fresh coffee is hot?! NO WAI.

 

[littlebabyclit]

As to why they don't fund the classes (hell, just putting them in an existing class would be great) it's because of the internet, free porn cuts their profit margins considerably and they're not running shoestring budgets, but most definitely a budget that would not appreciate having to send casts to acting classes for potentially no return on investment. Unlike the return on investment plastic surgery can give.

You're most likely correct. But it's sad that nobody wants to fund an investment for acting skills instead of plastic surgery. Maybe the response to porn with impressive acting (and dialogue) would be even better, i.e. more mass appeal, more commercially successful than anticipated. The ROI might be even better if they taught those porn actors how to truly emote passion. Jeez, mainstream actors and actresses can do it, so why can't porn actors ? Acting is acting.

Like Hollywood, the porn film industry lets dollars dictate product. The porn industry is just way more obvious and unrepentant about it.

Why can't I just win the lottery already and fund my OWN porn company, dammit...