Promoting Diversity and Free Speech in the BDSM community through censorship?

[Black_Bunny]

You ho.

Hehe, I'll be a posting slut before you know it

 

[the captians wench]

Maybe there's no rule because no one regularly posted the entire text of their stories ad nauseam in this talk forum before. I don't think it ever occurred to anyone that it might happen in the forum. wtf's the big deal? Quote short portions of your stories if you want, or post a link. Think Shakespeare posted the entirety of Othello into his posts on the Stratford-upon-Avon village square BDSM slateboard? No, because ye mods called his ass on it.



I heartily endorse this comment, and just wrote it in green fabric marker on a white T-shirt.

The Shakespeare refference really pulls at my heart strings. Total lust moment.

If their recommendation is to have merit, shouldn't their public behaviour be beyond reproach?

Why does the verse "let him with out sin cast the first stone" come to mind?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1236/4604886721_e1ce35704f_o.jpg

WIN!

 

[sb2009]

Someone on a message board callling you a poopy-head and a mod pointing you to the forum where your posts belong is not repression of free speech.

 

[BLoved]

Someone on a message board callling you a poopy-head and a mod pointing you to the forum where your posts belong is not repression of free speech.

We have yet to see a rule that says we can discuss stories in BDSM Talk only if we use a link, and not if we post the story verbatim.

Inventing 'rules' to target one poster is indeed a form of censorship.

As for being told to kill myself, being stalked, being accused of things by a fraud pretending to be my ex-girlfriend, being the victim of vote-rigging, being accused of every form of insanity, from PTSD to Narcissism, being accused of being a "moron" ... what you term "calling you a poopy-head" ... why would I want the casual 'players' and their advocates silenced when they are doing so well demonstrating just how abusive and vile they can be in public?

There are few arguments against casual 'bdsm' more convincing than listening to their harassment day after day.

 

[chy_girl]

*wonders off singing*
Same song, second verse - could get better but it's gonna get worse...

 

[PhaonsBrother]

Boy, the way you blowin’ up my phone
won’t make me leave no faster.
Put my coat on faster,
leave my girls no faster.
I shoulda left my phone at home,
’cause this is a disaster!
Callin’ like a collector -
sorry, I cannot answer!

 

[Leopald]

We have yet to see a rule that says we can discuss stories in BDSM Talk only if we use a link, and not if we post the story verbatim.

Inventing 'rules' to target one poster is indeed a form of censorship.

As for being told to kill myself, being stalked, being accused of things by a fraud pretending to be my ex-girlfriend, being the victim of vote-rigging, being accused of every form of insanity, from PTSD to Narcissism, being accused of being a "moron" ... what you term "calling you a poopy-head" ... why would I want the casual 'players' and their advocates silenced when they are doing so well demonstrating just how abusive and vile they can be in public?

There are few arguments against casual 'bdsm' more convincing than listening to their harassment day after day.

Forum trolls are generally those who rehash topics and statements with the intent of causing strife, drama, and general disorder for the purpose of drawing attention to themselves. They have been known to start multiple threads to spread their discord and drama range, and will often abandon each thread to start anew often.

Bloved has multiple topics all on one subject where he launches personal attacks against those who happen to enjoy casual bdsm. He doesn't respond to logic, and seems to enjoy the deluded belief that everyone attacks him for his life choices. His threads all carry the indication of trying to spread drama and malcontent. He calls everyone else trolls.

So... Does anyone see where I'm going with this, or do I need to spell it out?

I realize this has been said many times before, but I just can't resist feeding the troll some more. Fact is, claiming a casual sub as a victim is akin to claiming a sky diver who suffered an accidental death is a victim. As with any casual encounter, both parties involved are presumably adults, make their own decisions, and know the risks involved. When it goes wrong, it sucks. But it happens, just as it happens at the end of long term 'loving' relationships.

That's right, when monogamous relationships end, they often end in emotional pain, sometimes greater than others. Much the same as casual, both parties are fully aware of the risk involved. Yet for some reason, this fact is not acknowledged.

I've had a few casual encounters, but most of my relationships have been long-term loving relationships, and I don't see anything inherently wrong with either. When will it be accepted that everyone has the inherent right to engage in whatever form of relationship they prefer, and not have personal attacks launched at them for their choices?

Stop posting new topics, talk to people in a rational non-condemning manner free of sarcasm and judgment, and stop pushing your beliefs on those who respectfully disagree with you. And stop calling the kettle black with your troll calls.

~smile~

 

[chy_girl]

*snip*
Stop posting new topics, talk to people in a rational non-condemning manner free of sarcasm and judgment, and stop pushing your beliefs on those who respectfully disagree with you. And stop calling the kettle black with your troll calls.

~smile~

You realize that this is very much like trying to convince an addict that they're addicted, right?

 

[BLoved]

Forum trolls are generally those who rehash topics and statements with the intent of causing strife, drama, and general disorder for the purpose of drawing attention to themselves.

Indeed they do.

 

[BLoved]

You realize that this is very much like trying to convince an addict that they're addicted, right?

And this would differ from the ongoing "Why we hate BLoved" discussion in what way?

Multiple threads hijacked for the sole purpose of discussing that one topic for nearly three months now.

 

[Leopald]

You realize that this is very much like trying to convince an addict that they're addicted, right?

I'm sort of hoping the ~smile~ will reach some part of him.

 

[BLoved]

I'm sort of hoping the ~smile~ will reach some part of him.

Do you really believe the audience is so stupid as to not be able to recognize all the trolls in this forum?

~smile~

 

[chy_girl]

And this would differ from the ongoing "Why we hate BLoved" discussion in what way?

Multiple threads hijacked for the sole purpose of discussing that one topic for nearly three months now.

*sighs heavily*

I don't hate you. I have an extreme dislike for your behaviors and attitudes. A dislike born of and based on the generalizations, sweeping assumptions, and erroneous and false demonetizations that you have made toward myself, my local BDSM community, and my friends here and IRL.

...But I don't hate you.

 

[Leopald]

Do you really believe the audience is so stupid as to not be able to recognize all the trolls in this forum?

~smile~

I actually sort of believed even you weren't stupid enough to miss the point. You have done everything on that list that you personally acknowledged as characteristics of a troll. I fail to see why you would then deflect onto people who habitually decide to crush trolls for what they are.

Even those who have offered rational differences of opinions, you smile and launch a personal attack as to why you believe their opinion is invalid and not worth a real response.

Take your troll ass to another community, and QFT.

~smile~

 

[BLoved]

I actually sort of believed even you weren't stupid enough to miss the point. You have done everything on that list that you personally acknowledged as characteristics of a troll. I fail to see why you would then deflect onto people who habitually decide to crush trolls for what they are.

Even those who have offered rational differences of opinions, you smile and launch a personal attack as to why you believe their opinion is invalid and not worth a real response.

Take your troll ass to another community, and QFT.

~smile~

Oh look, yet another troll come to express yet more hatred.

~smile~

 

[Leopald]

Oh look, yet another troll come to express yet more hatred.

~smile~

I am one of many you you percieve 'hate' from, yet I don't hate you. I'm just tired of your seeming inability to not cause drama.

Maybe I'm wrong. Were the dozen topics created by you under slightly different names all an honest mistake? Were your sweeping generalizations about people's lifestyle choices and personal attacks on characters all just misread by everyone but yourself? You truly are a martyr for your cause, and thus I apologize for pointing out the truth of your trolling ways.

Sometimes the only way to deal with a troll is to become that which you hate. From now on, I'll simply tell you you're wrong and launch either a sweeping generalized assumption about your lifestyle or a personal attack on you. As that seems to be the only way you can communicate.

You're wrong, and I'm sure your beloved enjoys leading from the bottom.

~smile~

 

[zarngash]

Bloved and Moderators:

Check the upper right hand corner of the webpage. It states, "|-Free Speech, No Spam!-|"

Just as free speech rule on this board has level headed restrictions on speech restricting speech regarding minors:

"2. You may not post sexually explicit pictures or stories featuring anyone under 18 years old. Literotica does not allow the posting of underage or animal sex pictures - or links to such - on the forum. Please Click Here for our full photo posting guidelines.


The volume, manner and attitude of many of Bloved posts falls directly in the path of this rule,

9. Flooding the forum with posts, screen-breaking text, or images - or bumping old threads - and/or any non-substantive activity with the intent of disrupting the forum is prohibited.

that being , "... No Spam! -|"

In additions to the previous rule being broken several times, the following rule has been broken on a number accounts:

11. Please post content in the appropriate forum. We do not believe in censorship, but your posts will be moved or removed if you do not read the forum title before hitting "SUBMIT". Personal ads should be posted in the "Personals" forum, story ideas in the "Story Ideas" forum, BDSM issues in the BDSM forum, random nonsense on the General Board, and so on.

Bloved has been a novelty, but the continued posts that bounce against the spirit of the rules and the spirit of Literotica community are a blight to this forum.

I rest my case for Bloved being banned. I find it difficult to read this forum's postings with his continued disturbance so I will be placing Bloved on my ignore list. I will not be able to respond and follow up to distill the mounting evidence of his continued intent to disrupt this forum.

Regards,ZG

It is stated in the rules that Literotica promotes diversity and "Free Speech"

So what are we to make of a mod who invents a 'rule' so as to create an excuse to toss the only person talking about love and bdsm?

The claim is we cannot discuss stories in BDSM Talk if we post the story verbatim.

We can, however, discuss stories in BDSM Talk if we refer to the stories through a link.

Nowhere is there a rule that states this.

The mod refuses to point to the rule she claims states this.

And despite the fact there is no rule stating this, we are all supposed to know this 'rule' and abide by it or be tossed.

So in what way does the invention of a 'rule' so as to single out one individual who is the only individual discussing love and bdsm and threaten him with banishment promote "diversity and free speech"?

 

[FloggingMolly]

How many billions of threads have you started today, Bloved?

 

[Noira]

Multiple threads hijacked for the sole purpose of discussing that one topic for nearly three months now.

And you prevent the evolution of threads by immediately, when someone talks about something BESIDES YOUR INITIAL POST, quote your post, or another one of your posts, or whatever. Get your head out of your ass and read the rest of the forum. Threads evolve, discussion rolls out of other discussions and new discussions are made. Every thread you make is practically the same thing.

"My story is the flawless example of a love-based BDSM relationship." posted under the guise of a discussion topic that you won't even let us discuss.

BLoved. Go write another story. Move on and let the topics you've already discussed stand for themselves, evolve as topics are wont to do, and stop dominating this board. You are the one keeping threads on that sole purpose, the sole topic; if you stopped trying to orchastrate them to remain, word by word, on the original topic, you would likely find interesting discussion, character evolution, and the natural way of threads would take over. Though you begin threads with the intention of discussing new topics, by constantly injecting your story, you're forcing it to one way... and that's irritating all of the regular posters.

I've been lurking and not posting for the last several days now through all of your many threads and posts on every thread you can possibly find. It makes me uninterested in posting. In READING. There's no content to read, just one big arguement sprawled across the entire board... and might I say that this is one of my favorite boards to read... or was.

ON THE ORIGINAL TOPIC: No, there is no rule saying a story cannot be discussed if it is posted in full. There is, however, part of the board intended on posting stories in full. THIS part of the board is for discussing BDSM in all its many shapes and forms and the unique individual shapes different fetishes and relationships can take. You may note that you are the only poster prefacing your original posts with quotes, links, and hell, FULL reposts of your story. Constantly.

The problem is that you are the only one interested in discussing your story. Discussions require two players at the very least, otherwise you've just become a monologue.

It's not the rules that matter. I've been on other sites where people who are following the site rules are still hellishly annoying to every oldbie. Usually it's because that poster is refusing to evolve to suit the site, and rather, tries to force their point of view on everyone on the site because they know best and on OTHER sites they've been on...

In fact, I'd almost swear, BLoved, that you are this other poster on this one site I moderated. When he joined, he tried to completely change the site, harrassed the mods and admins, citing rules to prove he wasn't breaking any, and continually posted how we were doing things wrong even though every poster besides him was having fun in our "wrong" way of doing things. He would constantly make topics on this, jump into other threads to try push his point of view on people, and sucked the fun right out of the site. He had to learn to work with the other posters, because even though he wasn't breaking any rules, no one was having any fun with him posting.

You may not be breaking any rules, but what you are doing is irritating the regulars and making it less than fun to post here. That may not be against the site rules, it's just dreadfully annoying.

However, rule 6.

Any post or PM made with the intent of promoting another site or a product will be removed.

Constant story promotion.


Rule 9.

Flooding the forum with posts, screen-breaking text, or images - or bumping old threads - and/or any non-substantive activity with the intent of disrupting the forum is prohibited.

You are making at least half of the new posts, which is disrupting the forum by your constant attempts to push your point of view on the posters.

Rule 11.

Please post content in the appropriate forum.

The only thing this topic has to do with BDSM is that a mod tried to discipline you. You're certainly not allowing or encouraging actual discussion about diversity and free speech in the BDSM community... it's just discussion about how you're annoyed that the mod said to stop posting your story... something I feel is breaking both rule 6 (self-promotion), 9 (disrupting the forum), and 11 (it's a story).

Yes, Literotica promotes diversity and free speech and you, by spamming the forum with your view, are not promoting diversity and free speech, but rather trying to conform us to your view of how your topics should go (which I imagine is rather to the point of "Your story is the best example of a love based BDSM relationship ever! I repent of my casual flings and will immediately get into a M/f relationship wherein the female places her life repeatedly in my hands because this is the ultimate display of love. I agee with everything you said! SMILE.")



AND BY THE WAY, this post has nothing to do with how I feel about your point of view or your story. It's just about your posting habits. What I read of your story had the potential to be a great romance, though I feel you're breaking it up and posting in far too short of pieces to call them chapters... more satisfying updates would be had by posting longer pieces, I have no urge to fish for individual updates. And if you weren't constantly flooding the forum and every thread turning into an arguement, I would probably have potentially interesting and constructive things to post on your topics.

Sorry for the wall of text. I'm fed up with this and snapped. I see that zarngash ninjaed me and posted practically the same thing, so I'm clearly not the only one who feels this way... though I don't want to see BLoved banned... I would rather see him just tone it down a bit so that we can have good discussions on the topics rather than arguing about them, if such a dream can be realized.

Anyway, I'm done. I'm out. Sorry for the wall of text.

 

[BLoved]

11. Please post content in the appropriate forum. We do not believe in censorship, but your posts will be moved or removed if you do not read the forum title before hitting "SUBMIT". Personal ads should be posted in the "Personals" forum, story ideas in the "Story Ideas" forum, BDSM issues in the BDSM forum, random nonsense on the General Board, and so on.

Which is why the discussion should not have been moved from BDSM Talk in the first place.

 

[Ausus_girl13]

Which is why the discussion should not have been moved from BDSM Talk in the first place.

Oh that was anticlimactic...

Noira, ZG and Leo totally made some great valid points, and this is it? I am so disappointed in your trolling skills Bloved.. so sad.

 

[BLoved]

ON THE ORIGINAL TOPIC: No, there is no rule saying a story cannot be discussed if it is posted in full. ... THIS part of the board is for discussing BDSM in all its many shapes and forms and the unique individual shapes different fetishes and relationships can take.

Agreed.

 

[BLoved]

Oh that was anticlimactic...

Noira, ZG and Leo totally made some great valid points, and this is it? I am so disappointed in your trolling skills Bloved.. so sad.

I think what you mean is you are disappointed that so much effort went into trolling me for a response and I cut it down to what mattered.

 

[Ausus_girl13]

I think what you mean is you are disappointed that so much effort went into trolling me for a response and I cut it down to what mattered.

Nope. You totally dropped the ball, and cut Noira's response to make it look like she was agreeing with you. Sad. I am so disappointed, and will now be moving on.

 

[BLoved]

Sometimes the only way to deal with a troll is to become that which you hate. From now on, I'll simply tell you you're wrong and launch either a sweeping generalized assumption about your lifestyle or a personal attack on you. As that seems to be the only way you can communicate.

Yet another claiming "You made me do it!".